MLB 15 The Show Player Ratings - Top Rated Players For Each Team

[HozAndMoose]

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Part of the reason why BR Ability seems surprising at times when compared to real-life SB success % is that the success rate itself is not purely a reflection of a player's ability to steal.

If you are known as a great base stealer, the defense will be alert and in turn more often than not he will be attempting steals when the circumstances are rather against him, even though his natural ability to steal still is great.

On the other hand, someone like Stanton is not known as much of a stealer, so he affords to steal when the defense is not ready for it. So that may be a factor for his high success.

As a Met fan I cannot avoid mentioning Kevin McReynolds in this regard... Although he was a terrific athlete overall, by looks he seemed big and kinda slow, but from 1987 - 1988 he wad an amazing run of SB success, going 35 SB while being caught only once. But before and after McReynolds was never really a great stealer.

So BR Ability doesn't necessarily factor in that kind of aspect as well at times. It's often difficult to define whether a SB success is based on natural ability vs. surprise factor for a guy like him.

Which would explain this

[Ghost Of The Year]

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So they completely overlooked what Hamilton did last year regarding his ability to steal bases?

Without knowing their formula, it appears that way, which is just wrong IMO
Of course I could be way off base in assuming their formula is even remotely close to my own.

[Cavicchi]

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Part of the reason why BR Ability seems surprising at times when compared to real-life SB success % is that the success rate itself is not purely a reflection of a player's ability to steal.

If you are known as a great base stealer, the defense will be alert and in turn more often than not he will be attempting steals when the circumstances are rather against him, even though his natural ability to steal still is great.

On the other hand, someone like Stanton is not known as much of a stealer, so he affords to steal when the defense is not ready for it. So that may be a factor for his high success.

As a Met fan I cannot avoid mentioning Kevin McReynolds in this regard... Although he was a terrific athlete overall, by looks he seemed big and kinda slow, but from 1987 - 1988 he wad an amazing run of SB success, going 35 SB while being caught only once. But before and after McReynolds was never really a great stealer.

So BR Ability doesn't necessarily factor in that kind of aspect as well at times. It's often difficult to define whether a SB success is based on natural ability vs. surprise factor for a guy like him.

On the other hand, Hamilton may simply not be as good at stealing bases as first thought. Of course all defenses will be alert, but it still takes a throw to get that 99 speed guy. If I apply your thinking to all players, you could say so-and-so doesn't bat higher because he doesn't get pitches to hit, but we think he's a better hitter so let's give him a 99 for contact. Show me the numbers and I'm with you. I don't care what hitters or pitchers do in the minors, I care what they do in the majors. Now don't get me wrong, I realize that there has to be some basis for rookies, and the minors has to be used, but once they are in the majors, then that's what matters most to me. I'm sure the defenses in the minors knew about Hamilton, but this is the majors.

With Stanton, if he's that slow, 57 speed, it shouldn't take the same kind of throw to get him out. Catchers who can throw out a speedster like Hamilton, should be able to nail a "slowpoke" like Stanton. 13-1 is pretty darn good for a 57 speed guy.

[catswithbats]

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The overall/potential reactions are always fun. I usually just go in and tweak the guys I think need tweaking. Maybe Anibal Sanchez will finally be A-potential/OVR this year.

[Gagnon39]

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Rizzo 84 and Castro 80 with Baez a 77? yikes!

That's what I said as well. The fact that Baez is rated higher than Soler leaves me wondering if the person doing the ratings has ever watche either of those players bat/play.

[catswithbats]

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I was just looking at the Tigers' ratings and noticed something... Why is Verlander a year older than Cabrera? They were both born in '83 (Verlander in February, Cabrera in April). Is this just because Cabrera hasn't had his birthday yet in the game?

(Also the reason I bring this up is I'm 100% sure that I've seen Verlander and Cabrera both retire in the same year during the offseason in franchises of mine, and they should be the same age at that point, but Verlander is still shown as a year older.)

[CubsWillRiseAgain]

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That's what I said as well. The fact that Baez is rated higher than Soler leaves me wondering if the person doing the ratings has ever watche either of those players bat/play.

it kind of amazes me too that they undervalue soler as much as they do. he slaughtered the ball all year including in the majors in september.

[bronxbombers21325]

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In my experience playing The Show. It seems like overall numbers mean very little.

[MetsFan16]

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Could be my bias but my Mets players gotta be higher. Duda hit 30 hrs last year, Lagares won a Gold Glove, Murphy was an All Star. Yet none of them were in the top 10 at their position

[Knight165]

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Could be my bias but my Mets players gotta be higher. Duda hit 30 hrs last year, Lagares won a Gold Glove, Murphy was an All Star. Yet none of them were in the top 10 at their position

I'm as much of a Met fan as anyone....none of those guys are top 10. Duda is closest.....but at a pretty stacked position.
Is he really better than...?

Miguel Cabrera
Paul Goldschmidt
Jose Abreu
Joey Votto
Freddie Freeman
Edwin Encarnacion
Anthony Rizzo
Mike Napoli
Adrian Gonzalez
Carlos Santana
(that's MLB Networks top 10)

...and while you can make a case for Lagares as a premier defensive CF...his offensive output puts him behind the 8 ball as far as the leagues best CF'ers.
Maybe this year if he breaks out a bit....

M.K.
Knight165

[nomo17k]

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On the other hand, Hamilton may simply not be as good at stealing bases as first thought. Of course all defenses will be alert, but it still takes a throw to get that 99 speed guy. If I apply your thinking to all players, you could say so-and-so doesn't bat higher because he doesn't get pitches to hit, but we think he's a better hitter so let's give him a 99 for contact. Show me the numbers and I'm with you. I don't care what hitters or pitchers do in the minors, I care what they do in the majors. Now don't get me wrong, I realize that there has to be some basis for rookies, and the minors has to be used, but once they are in the majors, then that's what matters most to me. I'm sure the defenses in the minors knew about Hamilton, but this is the majors.

With Stanton, if he's that slow, 57 speed, it shouldn't take the same kind of throw to get him out. Catchers who can throw out a speedster like Hamilton, should be able to nail a "slowpoke" like Stanton. 13-1 is pretty darn good for a 57 speed guy.

I was just making a general statement about what goes in into rating players in the area of base stealing. It wasn't even my opinion about how things should be.


I'm not gonna repeat the same argument that I've written a couple times for you already about how using minor league stats is a compromise, yet still much better compromise than rating a player based on some suggestion from someone who insists on only using MLB stats even when they are not sufficiently informative... due to lack of sample size... it's fine that's good enough for you, but we are not just discussing your preference here.

To me, a student's performance in 9th grade math class does have quite a bit of relevance to how he does in 10th grade math. And that's why many people would use that sort of information, if available.

[ScouserHUN]

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can't say I'm impressed. Ortiz became a 79 by the AllStar Break from 88 starting the season. Players should regress/progress in the offseason because this way a player who was 88 starting the season might become useless by the end of the season.

Why not progress/regress during the season based on performance +/- 5 overall and make the big jump during the offseason. Don't like this progression/regression system...


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[Detroitfan4life1993]

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I was just looking at the Tigers' ratings and noticed something... Why is Verlander a year older than Cabrera? They were both born in '83 (Verlander in February, Cabrera in April). Is this just because Cabrera hasn't had his birthday yet in the game?

(Also the reason I bring this up is I'm 100% sure that I've seen Verlander and Cabrera both retire in the same year during the offseason in franchises of mine, and they should be the same age at that point, but Verlander is still shown as a year older.)

As you said Verlanders' birthday is in February and Cabrera's is in April. The show comes out a month before Miggy's birthday. They wouldn't be able to update Cabrera's age before the game comes out.

[Mercury112491]

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How is Bellin Betances only an 86? That's lower than they rated him in the last update.

[Cavicchi]

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I was just making a general statement about what goes in into rating players in the area of base stealing. It wasn't even my opinion about how things should be.


I'm not gonna repeat the same argument that I've written a couple times for you already about how using minor league stats is a compromise, yet still much better compromise than rating a player based on some suggestion from someone who insists on only using MLB stats even when they are not sufficiently informative... due to lack of sample size... it's fine that's good enough for you, but we are not just discussing your preference here.

To me, a student's performance in 9th grade math class does have quite a bit of relevance to how he does in 10th grade math. And that's why many people would use that sort of information, if available.

I don't see the relevance of what a student does in Middle School to what a professional baseball player does in the major leagues. Hamilton played in 152 games last year, and you know his caught stealing percentage--he is not Ricky Henderson. Now he may at some point get to that stage, but as of now he is not and should be rated accordingly, and that is my opinion.

I already said minor league stats for rookies is a basis, not disputing that, but Hamilton has had a full season in the majors.

Obviously we don't agree on Hamilton.