Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

[iLLWiLL]

I don't know if it's just me or not, but it seems to me that sometimes moving the plate coverage indicator can be touchy, i.e., hyper-sensitive, "jumpy", as the ball crosses the plate.

Alot of times I like to anticipate the location of a pitch, for example, in the lower half of the zone, so I'll kind of "cheat" by pulling the stick down a bit before the ball is thrown. And by "a bit", I mean ever so slightly from the center position.

And, once the pitch comes, for example, and it's coming right down the middle of the strike zone ... I am still hardly pulling down on the stick when I hit the X button. Yet -- after I swing & miss -- the post-pitch analysis shows my PCI location at the very bottom of the strike zone! WTH! It seems to happen alot more for me in MLB15 ...

I'd like to think that I'm not just being jumpy once the pitch arrives. But I don't know. Is it just me? Does this seem to happen to anyone else in MLB15???

[Skyboxer]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

I stopped using PCI (Well for one timed is more ratings based) but 2 because the PCI stops moving once you hit swing button. I'd rather have the PCI be able to be moving while you're swinging.
So for me I was always "moving" PCI but hitting swing so fast the PCI barely moved. Tried raising my finger higher in the air from button to get a slighlt less fast button hitting to give PCI time to move but it was never comfortable to do that.

[MrOldboy]

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I stopped using PCI (Well for one timed is more ratings based) but 2 because the PCI stops moving once you hit swing button. I'd rather have the PCI be able to be moving while you're swinging.
So for me I was always "moving" PCI but hitting swing so fast the PCI barely moved. Tried raising my finger higher in the air from button to get a slighlt less fast button hitting to give PCI time to move but it was never comfortable to do that.

I see the PCI as a reticle and when the swing button is pushed you are deciding to swing at the location that the reticle was at. That is how I've always seen it and haven't had any issues with it not moving after the swing button is pushed.

But pertaining to the PCI being sensitive, yes I have noticed this, but not just in MLB 15. I tend to move the PCI in very tiny movements sometimes and when trying to hold the PCI in a spot it will often jitter around the area while the left stick is stationary.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

I see the PCI as a reticle and when the swing button is pushed you are deciding to swing at the location that the reticle was at. That is how I've always seen it and haven't had any issues with it not moving after the swing button is pushed.

But pertaining to the PCI being sensitive, yes I have noticed this, but not just in MLB 15. I tend to move the PCI in very tiny movements sometimes and when trying to hold the PCI in a spot it will often jitter around the area while the left stick is stationary.

I know how it works.
Again my problem is I want the reticle to be able to be moved when I'm swinging and not lock on to where it's at as soon as I hit the button..
as I swing too fast and don't get reticle moved to where I want in time. Since the system is NOT like that I stopped using it

[vinny_77]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

Swing timing will effect PCI placement on zone as well. Swing early and it will move up, late and it will move down. Possibly swinging late?


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[Smallville102001]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

Swing timing will effect PCI placement on zone as well. Swing early and it will move up, late and it will move down. Possibly swinging late?


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As far has I know swing timing has nothing to do with PCI placement at all but I could be wrong but I fell like this year both the timing window on your swing and the PCI placement is more pushing then last years game. I have also always had a hard time hitting high pitches because I tend to be late and I don't know why but I tend to push down on the L stick even when I try to move it up.

[iLLWiLL]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

I stopped using PCI (Well for one timed is more ratings based) but 2 because the PCI stops moving once you hit swing button. I'd rather have the PCI be able to be moving while you're swinging.
So for me I was always "moving" PCI but hitting swing so fast the PCI barely moved. Tried raising my finger higher in the air from button to get a slighlt less fast button hitting to give PCI time to move but it was never comfortable to do that.

Yeah, and to top that off, I'd imagine that by keeping your thumb off further away from the swing button only leads to more button-mashing and an inability to check-swing ...

I see the PCI as a reticle and when the swing button is pushed you are deciding to swing at the location that the reticle was at. That is how I've always seen it and haven't had any issues with it not moving after the swing button is pushed.

But pertaining to the PCI being sensitive, yes I have noticed this, but not just in MLB 15. I tend to move the PCI in very tiny movements sometimes and when trying to hold the PCI in a spot it will often jitter around the area while the left stick is stationary.

Good to know it's just not me
Could Sony-San Diego patch/tweak/refine this???

Swing timing will effect PCI placement on zone as well. Swing early and it will move up, late and it will move down. Possibly swinging late?

I've never heard or read that before, Is that really how it works???
Ramone, can you confirm please?

[Will I Am]

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As far has I know swing timing has nothing to do with PCI placement at all but I could be wrong but I fell like this year both the timing window on your swing and the PCI placement is more pushing then last years game. I have also always had a hard time hitting high pitches because I tend to be late and I don't know why but I tend to push down on the L stick even when I try to move it up.

Try using zone hitting and leave the pci in the center, don't even have your finger on the L stick I mean don't even breath on it. Then swing at the pitch and check the post swing results and you will find that it does indeed move w/o touching it.

It is a poorly designed system, i mean why even have zone hitting if it's going to move by itself.
Ratings should be left to timing based and zone should be user based.

[iLLWiLL]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

As far has I know swing timing has nothing to do with PCI placement at all but I could be wrong but I fell like this year both the timing window on your swing and the PCI placement is more pushing then last years game. I have also always had a hard time hitting high pitches because I tend to be late and I don't know why but I tend to push down on the L stick even when I try to move it up.

Yeah I seem to do that, too :-/

[iLLWiLL]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

Try using zone hitting and leave the pci in the center, don't even have your finger on the L stick I mean don't even breath on it. Then swing at the pitch and check the post swing results and you will find that it does indeed move w/o touching it.

It is a poorly designed system, i mean why even have zone hitting if it's going to move by itself.
Ratings should be left to timing based and zone should be user based.

Wow, I will have to try that

[Smallville102001]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

Try using zone hitting and leave the pci in the center, don't even have your finger on the L stick I mean don't even breath on it. Then swing at the pitch and check the post swing results and you will find that it does indeed move w/o touching it.

It is a poorly designed system, i mean why even have zone hitting if it's going to move by itself.
Ratings should be left to timing based and zone should be user based.

This is the first I have heard that I would love if ramon could shine some light on this. So dose that mean if you have the PCI as low has you can and you swing late that the PCI will be low but not at the bottom?

[Smallville102001]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

Yeah I seem to do that, too :-/

Yeah it drives me nuts lol. Not only because it makes high fastballs hard to eat but because a lot of times when I get a hanging curveball I end up doing that so then I end up either poping the ball up missing it or just foul it off.

[iLLWiLL]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

Swing timing will effect PCI placement on zone as well. Swing early and it will move up, late and it will move down.

Try using zone hitting and leave the pci in the center, don't even have your finger on the L stick I mean don't even breath on it. Then swing at the pitch and check the post swing results and you will find that it does indeed move w/o touching it.

It is a poorly designed system, i mean why even have zone hitting if it's going to move by itself.
Ratings should be left to timing based and zone should be user based.

By golly...I just did what Will-I-Am suggested, and played an entire 9 innings of swinging without the use of the L stick ... and I can confirm what both he & vinny_77 have said: swing early and PCI jumps up on its own; swing late and PCI falls down on its own -- the degree depending on how early/late you are + how good the hitter is.


Agree wholeheartedly with Will-I-Am said, it is a poorly-designed system! (in my humble opinion) Don't get me wrong, I am still absolutely LOVING this game neverthess. However I think that I can say that my suspicions about the zone hitting being more jumpy in this game than in previous versions are true. This probably explains the existence of the thread talking about hitting in this game is "harder" than in previous games. I think I may have to give directional hitting another look now

[nomo17k]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

By golly...I just did what Will-I-Am suggested, and played an entire 9 innings of swinging without the use of the L stick ... and I can confirm what both he & vinny_77 have said: swing early and PCI jumps up on its own; swing late and PCI falls down on its own -- the degree depending on how early/late you are + how good the hitter is.


Agree wholeheartedly with Will-I-Am said, it is a poorly-designed system! (in my humble opinion) Don't get me wrong, I am still absolutely LOVING this game neverthess. However I think that I can say that my suspicions about the zone hitting being more jumpy in this game than in previous versions are true. This probably explains the existence of the thread talking about hitting in this game is "harder" than in previous games. I think I may have to give directional hitting another look now

The PCI has worked this way for a while... it's not something started happening this year.

The vertical movement of PCI due to timing is by design and it actually makes quite a bit of sense. To understand why it is designed that way, we have to sort of agree what PCI really represents though.

Hitting baseball actually happens in three-dimensional space, but in the game you only have the direct placement of PCI in a two-dimensional plane by L3. Before swinging, it makes sense to think of PCI as where in that 2D plane you want to hit a ball. However, there is of course the third dimension which basically is formed by the plane that the swing makes... and where the bat makes contact with the pitch in that plane is mostly dictated by the relative angle between the pitch and the swing itself as well as the timing.

To illustrate the point, look at the image of Cabrera swing below. The green points form the arc generated by the swing, and if you look where the contact is made near the optimal timing, you see that if you are early, you tend to hit the upper part of the ball whereas if you are late, you tend to hit the bottom part.

The vertical adjustment of PCI *post-pitch* simply reflects what really happened as a consequence of your swing timing, not what you intended.

So if your post-pitch PCI is consistently above where you intended to be, you need to trigger your swing just a tad later. The opposite when post-pitch PCI is lower.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Touchy PCI (Zone) hitting?

By golly...I just did what Will-I-Am suggested, and played an entire 9 innings of swinging without the use of the L stick ... and I can confirm what both he & vinny_77 have said: swing early and PCI jumps up on its own; swing late and PCI falls down on its own -- the degree depending on how early/late you are + how good the hitter is.


Agree wholeheartedly with Will-I-Am said, it is a poorly-designed system! (in my humble opinion) Don't get me wrong, I am still absolutely LOVING this game neverthess. However I think that I can say that my suspicions about the zone hitting being more jumpy in this game than in previous versions are true. This probably explains the existence of the thread talking about hitting in this game is "harder" than in previous games. I think I may have to give directional hitting another look now

The thing Is if you play on directional hitting you have no control of the PCI besides just the timing part so you can end up with good pitches to hit and end up flying out just because you cant control the PCI to be in the right spot. Granted part of my problem may have been that I didn't have pitch speed at 5 and was playing at 7 for a few games witch I think is to high while I am trying to get used to the game but with directional hitting on just DD rookie I felt like I was having to many times where I was getting a good pitch to hit and having good timing to only fly out or ground out because the PCI wasn't in the right spot.