Madden NFL 16 Launches on August 25th - News, Features and Details Arrive in May

[Gridiron]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Launches on August 25th - News, Features and Details Arrive in May

Whoa, before people start pushing Clint off a cliff, let's back up the truck a bit here.

He does respond, correct? I did see Moody respond just this week that Clint watches all the videos he sends him and state he doesn't have to, correct?

An employee won't say anything bad about their product on a public platform that is seen by millions across the world. It's not like Cheers where everybody knows their name.

Maybe if and when Clint leaves Tibouron he will write a tell all novel, but he won't acknowledge issues in public to the people that writes his check, would you?

If I went on FB and Twitter and said anything resembling negativity towards the company I work at, I could be fired based on corporate policy and it's in black and white in the company handbook I signed.

I have my issues with Madden and it's well documented in one of these threads.

I think we get that player, I dont want them to say anything negative. Just want them to not deny video evidence. Its like, if I order an apple pie from a baker and he brings me a pie with no apples in it, I show him no apples are in it, I want him to admit the problem I show him exists and then for him to fix it and give me what I was told I was payin for.

My deal is, if these dudes wont even admit there is a problem, how can we ever have faith that they can fix it? Its been a lotta times over the years where they faked the funk on things so its not like its new to us, its just now they do it on Twitter and more eyes can see it and holla back at it.

Its cool that Clint responds, but its gotta mean somethin to the game for it to matter. Based on how he responds alotta times I cant see how the mentality he puts out can help the game. I dont know how many times this dude has acted like every problem with Madden in the past is not worth talking about because he wasnt there when it was made, even though the problems are still there. What does he expect people to do? Its like he expect us to give it a pass cause he wasnt there when it started, lol.

[SmittyD81]

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Even if that were true, you do realize that much of what he said isn't an opinion, right? Football fundamentals aren't opinion. There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything in football, and clearly Madden's animations and AI consistently display wrong ways that objectively don't line up with fundamental football.

Now, his view that the improvements have been small could be viewed as an opinion, but can you honestly say with a straight face that this is wrong? I mean, Smitty, let's be real here, can you honestly say the pace of innovation from 2005 to 2015 with EA/Tiburon at the helm is the same as the pace from just 1999 to 2004 when there was competition? Can you name any single innovation that EA/Tiburon has put into Madden in the last decade that put it ahead of where football gaming was before the exclusive license? I really want to know, because I can't think of a single thing Madden has introduced in the last decade that could be classified as "innovation".

As for his interactions with Clint Oldenburg, well, that's a fact because we can see that in writing. All Clint does is talk to people like they're crazy when they mention a problem. BBSB showed the man footage from the game and he denies it like it's not there, lol. I remember a funny one where Clint was saying that the blocking AI is the best ever of any football game ever made, then RyanMoody and BBSB both quickly posted videos of plays where the blocking was completely broken (not that it's hard to find those). This is the sort of stuff that can't be defended.

What makes people concerned about this whole thing is that people who defend this game pretty much respond the same way the EA Employees do now, but EA employees get paid to respond like that. I think people want to see expectations being demanded by people interacting with EA, rather than an endless sea of hope that ignores the reality we can all see, because at this point wouldn't a person not want to keep having their time wasted?

It's good to be positive, but there comes a point when positivity becomes gullibility and the communities that defend this game are way past the positivity point now. It's like they're all just parroting PR statements written by Tiburon.

I don't know if you pay attention to me at all or not, but if you have been for at least the past 5 years you would know that I've been saying for the longest that Madden and EA football has been far behind any other sports title out there and it needs to catch up. We all know this even the current devs know this.

It's going to take time for the game to get where it needs to be, but internal change was required in order for that to happen. Since that has taken place the game has progressively improved over the past three years you don't have to admit it or acknowledge it but I'm not going to deny it despite the flaws and the gameplay issues.

Is it a shame that Madden isn't better than 2k football yet? Obviously it is, but these current devs have been there for 3 games currently and Madden 16 will be their fourth. Me blaming them for what happened prior to 2012 is like blaming Jim Caldwell or Jim Schwartz for the Lions going 0-16 back in 2008 and still holding that over their heads because they didn't win a super bowl yet.

I judge by what actual progress is made, and give my opinion based upon it. The fact of the matter is that this game has been making demanded progression that this community has made for numerous years. it may not be perfect or flawless but I'm not going to deny the fact that the game has been taking necessary and much needed strides so you get that simulation product that we all been demanding for all this time. with Joe Montana football on the horizon we're also going to get choice back into the football gaming marketplace. So I look forward to hopefully having two decent football games to play this year.

Once again I appreciate and respect your thoughts and opinions, as I'd hope you'd do the same with mine. Peace.

[Gridiron]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Launches on August 25th - News, Features and Details Arrive in May

All these posts are great, but they don't mean anything when people are still buying the game. The only way we see a real change is if these sales plummet. Until then it just sounds like we're all complaining and it's "us" and not the game.

Thats how it seems like Tiburon thinks. Its "us" and not the game. When a Madden dev can have the audacity to speak ratchet about another development, that right there tells you they think they make a great game, and they base it all on metacritic and mag reviews according to what theyve said in interviews. Not sayin they shouldnt use those at all, but that cant be the end all be all if theyre tryna make a sim football game like they claim.

Sales arent what they used to be with this series, but MUT is a monster though. I hate MUT but they make a straight killin off that mode. Lotta people who dont even like Madden all like that still play it just for MUT now, smh.

[Hooe]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Launches on August 25th - News, Features and Details Arrive in May

Thats how it seems like Tiburon thinks. Its "us" and not the game.

And ultimately they are correct.

They are artists creating a video game. They work on a wildly successful video game franchise and are rightfully are proud of their wildly successful work. If a consumer doesn't like the creative direction their game, he is by no means obligated to buy it or even pay attention to it.

They are by no means in the wrong for that point of view, much to the chagrin of the "sim community".

[CyberRudy25]

Add all the features they got rid of over the years. Rado Frank Bruno. The combine. Add NFL 2K5 ESPN presentation. Than Add something new on top of that like different studio NBC, ESPN . ABC networks with twitch to broad cast games. Make the Superbowl more Hyped. media. rival. players talking smack. Coach interviews, players interviews.

[kjcheezhead]

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I don't know if you pay attention to me at all or not, but if you have been for at least the past 5 years you would know that I've been saying for the longest that Madden and EA football has been far behind any other sports title out there and it needs to catch up. We all know this even the current devs know this.

It's going to take time for the game to get where it needs to be, but internal change was required in order for that to happen. Since that has taken place the game has progressively improved over the past three years you don't have to admit it or acknowledge it but I'm not going to deny it despite the flaws and the gameplay issues.

Is it a shame that Madden isn't better than 2k football yet? Obviously it is, but these current devs have been there for 3 games currently and Madden 16 will be their fourth. Me blaming them for what happened prior to 2012 is like blaming Jim Caldwell or Jim Schwartz for the Lions going 0-16 back in 2008 and still holding that over their heads because they didn't win a super bowl yet.

I judge by what actual progress is made, and give my opinion based upon it. The fact of the matter is that this game has been making demanded progression that this community has made for numerous years. it may not be perfect or flawless but I'm not going to deny the fact that the game has been taking necessary and much needed strides so you get that simulation product that we all been demanding for all this time. with Joe Montana football on the horizon we're also going to get choice back into the football gaming marketplace. So I look forward to hopefully having two decent football games to play this year.

Once again I appreciate and respect your thoughts and opinions, as I'd hope you'd do the same with mine. Peace.

I just disagree with the progress. Player sense 2.0 and every player takes terrible pursuit angles. Offline cpu robo qb and they all take 20 sacks a game. Online there is a way to block every kick with any team because it plays out the same every time.

It's a polished version of the disaster of a series that was last gen. Better hardware, different devs in charge, same results imo. Which is why I say the game is what it is. SIM/arcade hybrid. This game isn't at the level of 2k in realism and it will never be unless they start from scratch. Even then I don't think they even want to remove the arcade aspects. it's what makes madden, madden.

[SageInfinite]

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And ultimately they are correct.

They are artists creating a video game. They work on a wildly successful video game franchise and are rightfully are proud of their wildly successful work. If a consumer doesn't like the creative direction their game, he is by no means obligated to buy it or even pay attention to it.

They are by no means in the wrong for that point of view, much to the chagrin of the "sim community".

I'm sure the NBA Live devs felt the same way until they got the **** kicked out of them. Luckily the Madden devs and its fans don't have to worry about that.

[SageInfinite]

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I don't know if you pay attention to me at all or not, but if you have been for at least the past 5 years you would know that I've been saying for the longest that Madden and EA football has been far behind any other sports title out there and it needs to catch up. We all know this even the current devs know this.

It's going to take time for the game to get where it needs to be, but internal change was required in order for that to happen. Since that has taken place the game has progressively improved over the past three years you don't have to admit it or acknowledge it but I'm not going to deny it despite the flaws and the gameplay issues.

Is it a shame that Madden isn't better than 2k football yet? Obviously it is, but these current devs have been there for 3 games currently and Madden 16 will be their fourth. Me blaming them for what happened prior to 2012 is like blaming Jim Caldwell or Jim Schwartz for the Lions going 0-16 back in 2008 and still holding that over their heads because they didn't win a super bowl yet.

I judge by what actual progress is made, and give my opinion based upon it. The fact of the matter is that this game has been making demanded progression that this community has made for numerous years. it may not be perfect or flawless but I'm not going to deny the fact that the game has been taking necessary and much needed strides so you get that simulation product that we all been demanding for all this time. with Joe Montana football on the horizon we're also going to get choice back into the football gaming marketplace. So I look forward to hopefully having two decent football games to play this year.

Once again I appreciate and respect your thoughts and opinions, as I'd hope you'd do the same with mine. Peace.

The real internal changes that need to happen still haven't. For this game to ever surpass these other sports games, we need alot more to change.

[roadman]

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I think we get that player, I dont want them to say anything negative. Just want them to not deny video evidence. Its like, if I order an apple pie from a baker and he brings me a pie with no apples in it, I show him no apples are in it, I want him to admit the problem I show him exists and then for him to fix it and give me what I was told I was payin for.

My deal is, if these dudes wont even admit there is a problem, how can we ever have faith that they can fix it? Its been a lotta times over the years where they faked the funk on things so its not like its new to us, its just now they do it on Twitter and more eyes can see it and holla back at it.

Its cool that Clint responds, but its gotta mean somethin to the game for it to matter. Based on how he responds alotta times I cant see how the mentality he puts out can help the game. I dont know how many times this dude has acted like every problem with Madden in the past is not worth talking about because he wasnt there when it was made, even though the problems are still there. What does he expect people to do? Its like he expect us to give it a pass cause he wasnt there when it started, lol.

Recent tweet from Clint:

what ever happened to living worlds? Still remember the ignite trailer with the cheerleaders and players on sideline

Clint Oldenburg
@ClintOldenburg
@TFer717 that was a big fail for us. We thought we were delivering more than we actually could. Our eyes were bigger than our stomach.

So, there is evidence he does point out failures.

Another one that he is at least listening.

has done many videos showing how bad those issues are

Clint Oldenburg
@ClintOldenburg
@TroyLovett1969 @ShutdownSafety I know. I watch them and communicate with Ryan quite a bit

RM21 @ShutdownSafety Apr 16
@ClintOldenburg @TroyLovett1969 Clint responds to every message, watches every vid he is sent. He doesnt have to, but he does.

RM21 @ShutdownSafety Apr 16
@TroyLovett1969 @ClintOldenburg Why, so my comment section would become a hate filled dialog like his Twitter? I don't even want that.

[Gridiron]

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And ultimately they are correct.

They are artists creating a video game. They work on a wildly successful video game franchise and are rightfully are proud of their wildly successful work. If a consumer doesn't like the creative direction their game, he is by no means obligated to buy it or even pay attention to it.

They are by no means in the wrong for that point of view, much to the chagrin of the "sim community".

Okay, I understand that side of it. But then they should quit tellin us they have the most realistic simulation football game on earth when its not true.

Stuff like this is not "us":

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^^^ That's "them" and their game.

[Hooe]

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I'm sure the NBA Live devs felt the same way until they got the **** kicked out of them. Luckily the Madden devs and its fans don't have to worry about that.

Not sure how that's at all relevant. NBA Live hasn't been a quality game since the PSX (PS2 at best; it's been at least a full console generation since it was highly regarded), its failures were at least partially of its own design. Madden had a slump but it was never the consistent colossal failure that Live was.

Could things have been different if EA's poor start on the XBOX 360 console generation were combined with a strong competitor? Maybe. We'll never know, so I don't really feel compelled to speculate.

Okay, I understand that side of it. But then they should quit tellin us they have the most realistic simulation football game on earth when its not true.

Don't expect this either. Madden is the most realistic football game available on PS4 and XBOX One by default; there's no contemporary on the current hardware.

[SageInfinite]

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Not sure how that's at all relevant. NBA Live hasn't been a quality game since the PSX (PS2 at best; it's been at least a full console generation since it was highly regarded), its failures were at least partially of its own design. Madden had a slump but it was never the consistent colossal failure that Live was.

Could things have been different if EA's poor start on the XBOX 360 console generation were combined with a strong competitor? Maybe. We'll never know, so I don't really feel compelled to speculate.

Yeah I forgot who I was responding to for a second, I apologize for even trying to discuss Madden with you.

[countryboy]

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Not sure how that's at all relevant. NBA Live hasn't been a quality game since the PSX (PS2 at best; it's been at least a full console generation since it was highly regarded), its failures were at least partially of its own design. Madden had a slump but it was never the consistent colossal failure that Live was.

You could to a point make the same argument about Madden not be relevant since the PS2 days. Every installment on the PS3 felt like a step back and it was because they kept trying to re-invent the wheel.

Could things have been different if EA's poor start on the XBOX 360 console generation were combined with a strong competitor? Maybe. We'll never know, so I don't really feel compelled to speculate.

We will never know how it would've worked out for them on the 360/PS3 since their wasn't competition but I don't think you can truly write off the fact that the most highly regarded Madden was 2005 and just by coincidence they had competition that year.

[oneamongthefence]

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Recent tweet from Clint:

what ever happened to living worlds? Still remember the ignite trailer with the cheerleaders and players on sideline

Clint Oldenburg
@ClintOldenburg
@TFer717 that was a big fail for us. We thought we were delivering more than we actually could. Our eyes were bigger than our stomach.

So, there is evidence he does point out failures.

Another one that he is at least listening.

has done many videos showing how bad those issues are

Clint Oldenburg
@ClintOldenburg
@TroyLovett1969 @ShutdownSafety I know. I watch them and communicate with Ryan quite a bit

RM21 @ShutdownSafety Apr 16
@ClintOldenburg @TroyLovett1969 Clint responds to every message, watches every vid he is sent. He doesnt have to, but he does.

RM21 @ShutdownSafety Apr 16
@TroyLovett1969 @ClintOldenburg Why, so my comment section would become a hate filled dialog like his Twitter? I don't even want that.

That sums up Madden in a nutshell. A lot of great features but they don't work as intended or are riddled with bugs. I think the hate would be much less if everything worked right out the box. Its been like this For far too many years.

[bucky60]

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It's going to take time for the game to get where it needs to be, but internal change was required in order for that to happen. Since that has taken place the game has progressively improved over the past three years you don't have to admit it or acknowledge it but I'm not going to deny it despite the flaws and the gameplay issues.


I judge by what actual progress is made, and give my opinion based upon it.

Hey smitty, thanks for responding to OS posters. I would like to address the "progressively improved". This happens to be a matter of opinion. Mine is that Madden has taken some significant steps BACKWARDS since completely changing direction after M12.

I recognize the "progressive improvements" in gameplay, but my opinion is huge steps were taken backwards in franchise. As gameplay has made some improvements toward realism, franchise has made huge steps toward arcade. It's my opinion that these improvements in gameplay don't come close to making up for the steps backwards in franchise. Now this is just my opinion and I realize others do like the franchise changes. I don't.