Which RE do you prefer in that first draft and why?
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
I never got a chance to play with Chris Long or Calais Campbell on my team, but Chris Long was the better player when I played against them. Campbell was pretty much non-existing, while Long was able to stop my runs and got sacks.
I was able to pick up Tony Bake for my team. He's a monster, averaging 2-3 sacks a game. He's super cheap as well...even at re-signing. -
Re: Long vs. Campbell
See, I'm the opposite. Campbell is always in the hunt for Defensive Rookie of the Year with 8 - 15 sacks when I draft him, but I've never drafted Chris Long. I'm starting a new career and I picked him third. We'll see how it goes.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
that's pretty tough because I'd use them way different. Campbell has the size to be a 3-4 end, while Long is strictly a 4-3 end... They both should be top 5 picks but of course most people sneak Campbell in round 2. I prefer a 4-3, so I prefer Long, although taking Campbell as the Texans and putting on the other side of Mario Williams is pretty awesome - a pair of monster-sized ends like no other team in the league...Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
Wow...DRoY candidate with only 8-15 sacks for a DL? That's pretty low. Tony Bake is getting me around 40 sacks a season for my Dolphins, while Jason Taylor is getting 10. He didn't do that well for my Saints, and he's a slow learner too, I believe.
In my current season, Chris Long has 25 tackles for loss yardage (50 tackles total), while Campbell has 7 (12 tackles total).
The main problem with Long for me is that he's expensive, with him being a Top 5 pick and all. I would trade down my pick, so that's why I will never get a chance to have Long on my team. Campbell is always gone in the 2nd round by the time it gets to my pick, but Bake is still around in the 5th round or later (and sometime even undrafted).Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
That isn't all that low considering the actual NFL record is only a little over 20 sacks in a season. If you're getting 40 sacks from one player in a season you've got super easy sliders so it's not much of a comparison. I prefer a more realistic challenge when I play.
For the record, I've never taken Bake even though I know about him because of my house rules not that I would take him anyway; I never take players with learning under 50.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
My sliders are just whatever the default setting is (which has everything at 50, I believe). I tried to change the sliders to make it harder, but they just kept going back to the default, so I gave up on adjusting the sliders.
For some reason, Bake just clicked with my Dolphins team. I don't think the DL coach is that good to make him that great. The only setting I changed for the Dolphins vs. my Saints was to look for Prototype DL. Also, with Bake, who is a natural at RE, I played him at LE because I already have Jason Taylor at RE...so Bake may be taking on the weaker Tackle on the opposing team, while Taylor is taking on the better Tackle. I also have Glenn Dorsey and Dre Moore at DTs, so my DL is pretty awesome and would wreck havoc on most opposing OL. Dorsey and Moore didn't do much the first season, but in the 2nd season, Dorsey did rack up 13 sacks. Moore is still a mystery for me, as for why he hasn't performed much, even though his overall is like at 90...while Bake is still only at 81.
I'm starting season 3, and just traded Taylor away for a first round pick. We'll see if Bake can still perform at the monster level now that he will be playing at RE, and without his sacking partner.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
It really depends on what you want from your DT. Moore is a good DT if you want him to plug the run but he is not a one-gap pass rusher. In fact, he would be terrible at that. So he may be a 90 based on your scheme choice for your DT's but if you change him to being a one-gap rusher he wouldn't even be average. Keep that in mind.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
I want Moore to get more than 12 tackles a season. I guess with him playing next to Dorsey, there's not much he can do if Dorsey does it all. It's just disappointing to look at the stats after each game and just seeing Moore with zeroes straight across, games after games.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
I've used Calais Campbell a couple of times in my Head Coaching careers and employ a 3-4 zone blitz scheme. As a RE he is terrible and hardly shows up in any game. Oddly though he does progress nicely and at the time he needs to be resigned he wants a ridiculous contract. Of course I am also coaching my games and not simulating them so there might be the difference.
I've never taken Long so I can't comment on him.
Tony Bake can play just about anywhere on the D-line and do well. I am experimenting with him being an LOLB in my current season because I have decent players along the D-line with Dre Moore at LE, Marcus Stroud would be my starting DT but he is out for the year with a torn ACL, so Athya Rubin is stepping in and playing well, and then at RE I have Aaron Schoebel. All of those guys have higher starting and around the same or better POT than Bake. Bake's coverage skills are horrible obviously, but he's actually picked off a pass and he has a few sacks on the year and I am only through game 7 of my first season.
I have Terrell Suggs as my ROLB and boy am I disappointed. He's stuffing the run incredibly well and leads the team in TFL, but he has a whole 2 sacks on the year. It seems like every time he rushes the passer he gets blocked at the last second, or somebody else sneaks in and gets to the QB before he gets there.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
Stroud will be healthy for about 2 games a year so I would dump him as soon as you can. Moore & Rubin are more nose tackle type DT's and can fill in admirably without him so no real loss there.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
Ive never had long, goes too early and costs too much. Campbell goes early in the 2nd and is very good for what he is, a run stopping end. Like Im not sure thats the right philosophy, but I just mean he's not a sack master. In fact, no one in this game is a sack master.... at re. Its almost impossible to get consistent rush on that side.
But the next year, if you get the ozzie jones draft? DOKI SOMANU! 6'9(maybe 8) LE, can easily break the sack record on standard sliders with a good enough coach and right play calls. You cant throw to your #1 wr if hes a 43 le. I havent tried him in the 3-4 but with my new desire to play again. i think Im gonna try and get campbell and doki together in the 3-4 and wreak havok on the oline. Just need a nose tackle.
Side note, sliders are saved under profile. When you change the sliders, you just have to save the profile. If you save it once, every time you start a new one will start with those. I highly suggest Algoody's sliders. They make for very accurate stats over an entire season. You may still have a game where someone gets 2 or 3 interceptions but over the season no one gets more than 9(on defense). Good qbs dont throw too many if they have talent and coaching.
But on default sliders, EVERYONE can go undefeated every season. On good sliders, you at least have the chance to lose if you dont call a ridiculous game(only mastered plays).Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
I would say that the only better pair of monster-sized ends is getting Calais Campbell and Chris Long!
They both have over 75 sacks for me through 2013. The lowest amount of sacks that either has gotten for me in a season is Calais got 9 last year. I play in a 3-2-6 defense. They are both constantly making plays.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
Campbell is light years better than Long. Better run stuffer, harder to move off the ball, can play DT or DE, and cheaper at first. I could keep listing reasons.
If your smart trade your top 4 pick for a 1st, 2nd, and some later or future picks. Get Campbell in the 2nd and DT Rubin in the (5th). Both great and amazing DT tag team.Comment
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Re: Long vs. Campbell
Campbell is an absurdly good DT, especially as a 3 Tech, get up the field pass rusher. I wouldn't keep him at RE in many schemes because he is so valuable elsewhere.Comment
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