NHL 16 Revamped - Community Input

[Simple Mathematics]

If, and that's a big IF, edit player is back in NHL 16, I figured I'd start getting the ball rolling for the NHL 16 Revamped Rosters. This year I will do something a bit different - I want the community's input on overalls. Below is a preliminary list I put together of the top 50 forwards in my opinion.

Now for a few disclaimers. These overalls will only be targets for us. For the Revamped Rosters, we focus more on the individual attributes than the overall. Once we put in a player's attributes, if they are within a few overall points of their target number, we will leave it be. However, since BaGM AI logic is largely focused on overalls rather than individual attributes, we have to keep overalls in mind still.

Also, please try to keep your home team players realistic. I will tell everyone this right now - your team is not full of superstars. First liners for the Revamped Rosters range from 82-99 overall. So please, if your best/favorite player isn't rated as high as you want, try to honestly look at the players above him and look up some stats.

If you have any suggestions, please post them! I want to make this so the majority of the community is happy with them.

Top 50 Forwards:

1. Sidney Crosby - 97
2. Alex Ovechkin - 95
3. John Tavares - 94
4. Patrick Kane - 93
5. Evgeni Malkin - 93
6. Jonathan Toews - 92
7. Jamie Benn - 92
8. Tyler Seguin - 92
9. Steven Stamkos - 92
10. Pavel Datsyuk - 91
11. Ryan Getzlaf - 91
12. Claude Giroux - 91
13. Tyler Johnson - 90
14. Nicklas Backstrom - 90
15. Corey Perry - 90
16. Anze Kopitar - 89
17. Vladimir Tarasenko - 89
18. Jakub Voracek - 89
19. Henrik Zetterberg - 89
20. Rick Nash - 89
21. Ryan Johansen - 89
22. Patrice Bergeron - 88
23. Daniel Sedin - 88
24. Henrik Sedin - 88
25. Joe Pavelski - 88
26. Logan Couture - 88
27. Zach Parise - 87
28. Phil Kessel -87
29. Taylor Hall -87
30. Jiri Hudler - 87
31. Nick Foligno - 87
32. Alexander Steen - 86
33. Joe Thornton - 86
34. Matt Duchene - 86
35. Max Pacioretty - 86
36. Derek Stepan - 86
37. Jason Spezza - 86
38. Marian Hossa - 85
39. Kyle Okposo - 85
40. Ondrej Palat - 85
41. Jaden Schwartz - 85
42. Johnny Gaudreau - 85
43. Jordan Eberle - 85
44. Filip Forsberg - 85
45. Jeff Carter - 84
46. Eric Staal - 84
47. David Backes - 84
48. TJ Oshie - 84
49. Radim Vrbata - 84
50. Kyle Turris - 84

[Al_Tito13]

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This is a pretty good list, nice job. In fact, it's funny because I also made a preliminary list in the last couple of days to be ready for NHL 16, if player edit is back of course. We have a different view on some players, but in general, it's pretty close.

As I wanted to have no more than 30 forwards at 87+ overall and no more than 60 at 84+, I made a list containing what should be the top 60 forwards IMO. So, I will post it here. I also made top 30 defensemen and top 20 goalies lists. When you will post yours, I will add them here also.

Remember that this is really only a preliminary list, so there are probably still changes to be made in my list...

1. Crosby - 95
2. Toews - 94
3. Ovechkin - 93
4. Stamkos - 93
5. Tavares - 92
6. Malkin - 92
7. Getzlaf - 91
8. Datsyuk - 91
9. Benn - 90
10. P.Kane - 90
11. Giroux - 90
12. Kopitar - 90
13. Seguin - 89
14. Backstrom - 89
15. Perry - 89
16. Bergeron - 89
17. Pavelski - 88
18. Parise - 88
19. Hossa - 88
20. Couture - 88
21. Zetterberg - 88
22. Hall - 88
23. Pacioretty - 87
24. Backes - 87
25. T.Johnson - 87
26. Nash - 87
27. Tarasenko - 87
28. Johansen - 87
29. Voracek - 87
30. Duchene - 87

31. Steen - 86
32. Wheeler - 86
33. Palat - 86
34. Oshie - 86
35. D.Sedin - 86
36. Carter - 86
37. H.Sedin - 86
38. Kessel - 86
39. Foligno - 85
40. Schwartz - 85
41. Stone - 85
42. Ladd - 85
43. Landeskog - 85
44. Okposo - 85
45. Neal - 85
46. Kesler - 85
47. Krejci - 85
48. Thornton - 85
49. Hudler - 84
50. Stepan - 84
51. Turris - 84
52. Iginla - 84
53. Callahan - 84
54. E.Kane - 84
55. Marleau - 84
56. Sharp - 84
57. Koivu - 84
58. Ryan - 84
59. E.Staal - 84
60. van Riemsdyk - 84

[Hammettf2b]

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No love for Nyquist or Tatar? I would think if Oshie is on these lists, they would be too, no?

[Simple Mathematics]

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Wow, our lists are extremely similar Al Tito. That's funny. I will definitely take yours into consideration and make some adjustments to mine. More lists like yours are definitely welcome and will help me out a lot! Keep them coming!

As for Nyquist and Tatar, I would like some additional opinions on them. In my opinion, based on stats and watching them play, I don't think they are quite on the level as the top 50 I listed. Not far behind at all though.

[Braeden]

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Bo Horvat needs to be 83 overall.

[redsox4evur]

Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Community Input

Wow, our lists are extremely similar Al Tito. That's funny. I will definitely take yours into consideration and make some adjustments to mine. More lists like yours are definitely welcome and will help me out a lot! Keep them coming!

As for Nyquist and Tatar, I would like some additional opinions on them. In my opinion, based on stats and watching them play, I don't think they are quite on the level as the top 50 I listed. Not far behind at all though.

Just off the 2, Nyquist is definitely closer. But like you I agree close but no cigar.

[AdamJones113]

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Post them lists! Have you looked at individual attributes as well or is this just a preemptive compilation? (Boy, do I hope Edit Player is back in.)

I think I'll post more of my thoughts later, when my hockey-crazy brain gets some sleep after that Caps-Rangers game yesterday 2 AM my time.

[Simple Mathematics]

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Post them lists! Have you looked at individual attributes as well or is this just a preemptive compilation? (Boy, do I hope Edit Player is back in.)

I think I'll post more of my thoughts later, when my hockey-crazy brain gets some sleep after that Caps-Rangers game yesterday 2 AM my time.

I haven't gotten that deep into it yet. I'm waiting for confirmation that edit player is actually in the game before I do the attributes.

[Cletus]

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I don't watch many teams beside Tampa, but it's hard to rate Palat and/or Johnson similarly and not rate Kucherov there also. Kucherov is probably the better offensive of the 3, Johnson being the fastest and Palat being the best defensively.

[Simple Mathematics]

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I don't watch many teams beside Tampa, but it's hard to rate Palat and/or Johnson similarly and not rate Kucherov there also. Kucherov is probably the better offensive of the 3, Johnson being the fastest and Palat being the best defensively.

I see Kucherov as a step down from the other 2, with Johnson being the best. Tyler Johnson has absolutely taken over in these playoffs. He's been the MVP so far from their team - even outplaying Stamkos. And Johnson also had a fabulous regular season. He's a great players you guys have.

[shogunofharlem3]

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Great work. Love the Revamped for old gen. Game really plays better with them.

I like your projected overalls.

My question to EA is what is "overall"?

Is it weighted average so ceratain attributes count more or less towards "overall".

If we can get that answer and some specifics from EA I can't even imagine how far the Revamped Team can take their roster set

[Simple Mathematics]

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Great work. Love the Revamped for old gen. Game really plays better with them.

I like your projected overalls.

My question to EA is what is "overall"?

Is it weighted average so ceratain attributes count more or less towards "overall".

If we can get that answer and some specifics from EA I can't even imagine how far the Revamped Team can take their roster set

We figured out the overall formulas they use. They are weighted averages. Certain attributes mean basically nothing, and awareness means a ton.

[Al_Tito13]

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No love for Nyquist or Tatar? I would think if Oshie is on these lists, they would be too, no?

I agree with you on Nyquist. I think he is pretty close from being one of the 50 or 60 best forwards. However, I don't believe he is there yet, he can still improve his all-around game IMO. He's in the top 90 without a doubt though.

I don't watch many teams beside Tampa, but it's hard to rate Palat and/or Johnson similarly and not rate Kucherov there also. Kucherov is probably the better offensive of the 3, Johnson being the fastest and Palat being the best defensively.

Johnson is unbelievable on the ice right now, he's small, but he's so fast and he creates a lot of opportunities for his linemates. He also can finish.

Palat is one of the best two-way forwards in the game right now, so strong defensively and also can put up points.

On the other hand, Kucherov has a lot of talent and a good shot, but I also see him as a step down from his linemates, when you look at their all-around game.

[Kovalev]

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I dont think anyone would be surprised if Ryan Johansen broke the 90-92 Range, match up with Giroux, Getzlaf, Toews, Seguin etc he put up 71 points this year on a team that led the league in man games lost. his shooting percentage the last 2 years averages at 13.5 over 164 games so its not like its been a fluke, it seems like he's honestly got the leagues goalies and his career figured out over the last 2 years and he's only going to get better. he also doesn't have a Perry, Kane, Voraceck or Benn to dish to or take the teams best defender off him.

This year he outscored getzlaf and toews, he only missed giroux by 2 points however he shot 13% to Giroux 9%, it was just a matter of Johansen shooting more.

[Simple Mathematics]

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I dont think anyone would be surprised if Ryan Johansen broke the 90-92 Range, match up with Giroux, Getzlaf, Toews, Seguin etc he put up 71 points this year on a team that led the league in man games lost. his shooting percentage the last 2 years averages at 13.5 over 164 games so its not like its been a fluke, it seems like he's honestly got the leagues goalies and his career figured out over the last 2 years and he's only going to get better. he also doesn't have a Perry, Kane, Voraceck or Benn to dish to or take the teams best defender off him.

This year he outscored getzlaf and toews, he only missed giroux by 2 points however he shot 13% to Giroux 9%, it was just a matter of Johansen shooting more.

Johansen is growing to be an incredible player, and I agree he is stranded on the blue jackets with no help. This year was a break out year for him and he really made a name for himself.

However, I wouldn't use his shooting percentage to define him as a better player than somebody else. Johansen is a great 2-way player. That's what makes him so valuable. And Giroux isn't a shooter, he's a playmaker, so I wouldn't use a shooting percentage against him. But don't get me wrong, I think Johansen could definitely crack the 90 overall barrier next year.