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  • Simple Mathematics
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    • Sep 2009
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    NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

    Here are my ratings for the goalies for the NHL 16 Revamped Rosters (if edit player is back in). Goalies are a tough bunch, they are so inconsistent. I'd appreciate everyone's input so we can make the majority of people satisfied with the rosters.

    For the Revamped goalies, I go by this scale:
    89+ = superstars
    85-88 = great goalies
    80-84 = undisputed starters
    76-79 = goalies who battle for starting job
    72-75 = great backups
    69-71 = good backups
    67-68 = average backups
    64-66 = bad backups


    1. Carey Price - 95
    2. Henrik Lundqvist - 95
    3. Pekka Rinne - 92
    4. Tuukka Rask - 91
    5. Semyon Varlamov - 89
    6. Jonathan Quick - 89
    7. Sergei Bobrovsky - 88
    8. Braden Holtby - 87
    9. Corey Crawford - 86
    10. Cory Schneider - 86
    11. MA Fleury - 85
    12. Devan Dubnyk - 84
    13. Steve Mason - 84
    14. Roberto Luongo - 83
    15. Ben Bishop - 83
    16. Antti Niemi - 83
    17. Craig Anderson - 82
    18. Ondrej Pavelec - 82
    19. Jonas Hiller - 81
    20. Andrew Hammond - 80
    21. Jaroslav Halak - 80
    22. Brian Elliott - 80
    23. Eddie Lack - 79
    24. Frederik Andersen - 79
    25. Ryan Miller - 79
    26. Jonathan Bernier - 78
    27. Cam Ward - 78
    28. Jimmy Howard - 77
    29. Petr Mrazek - 77
    30. Kari Lehtonen - 76
    31. Mike Smith - 76
    32. Cam Talbot - 75
    33. Jake Allen - 75
    34. Michal Neuvirth - 74
    35. Karri Ramo - 74
    36. Michael Hutchinson - 73
    37. Curtis McElhinney - 73
    38. James Reimer - 72
    39. Darcy Kuemper - 72
    40. Jhonas Enroth - 71
    41. Anton Khudobin - 70
    42. Ray Emery - 69
    43. Ben Scrivens - 68
    Last edited by Simple Mathematics; 05-17-2015, 03:03 PM.
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  • AdamJones113
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    • Apr 2013
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    #2
    Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

    Just while it's in my head, list forthcoming.

    1. Kari Lehtonen (34-17-10)
    Lehtonen you bring down, I think because his team underwhelmed and because his SV% and GAA were far from stellar. I counter that with the fact that the Stars were a terrible team overall. Lehtonen allowed the 2nd fewest goals in the league despite playing the 6th most games. He also, in the Curtis Joseph mold, played better when necessary: Dallas won 61% of games where they were outshot.
    Conclusion: I'd move him up to 80 or 81—not spectacular, but I think that category fits him better.

    2. Semyon Varlamov (28-20-8)
    Did not have a great year. Wasn't tenth in the league in anything and the Avalanche allowed the fifth-fewest shots per game. While he upped his shutout numbers he regressed in basically every other category. 13-14 was great, but 14-15 was emphatically not. He didn't stand on his head when he had to, with the Avalanche being the opposite of the Stars' win percentages when outshooting and being outshot.
    Conclusion: 84 overall, based on 13-14 and the expectation that he can rebound.


    Am I the only guy who doesn't really like Varlamov? I don't think he's close to the top 5.
    Last edited by AdamJones113; 05-15-2015, 09:03 AM.
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    • Al_Tito13
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      • Sep 2010
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      #3
      Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

      Here's my input on goalies...

      1. Price - 93
      2. Lundqvist - 92
      3. Rask - 91
      4. Quick - 90
      5. Rinne - 89
      6. Varlamov - 88
      7. Bishop - 87
      8. Bobrovsky - 87
      9. Fleury - 86
      10. Crawford - 86
      11. Holtby - 85
      12. Schneider - 85
      13. Luongo - 85
      14. Halak - 84
      15. Dubnyk - 84
      16. Lehtonen - 84
      17. Mason - 83
      18. Niemi - 83
      19. Andersen - 83
      20. Miller - 83
      21. Hiller - 82
      22. Pavelec - 82
      23. Bernier - 82
      24. Anderson - 82
      25. Hammond - 81
      Last edited by Al_Tito13; 06-24-2015, 04:49 PM.

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      • Simple Mathematics
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        • Sep 2009
        • 1791

        #4
        Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

        Guys this is great stuff, keep these responses coming!

        Adam Jones - both conclusions are very nice. I will adjust accordingly.

        Al Tito - great list man. The only thing I would point out is the revamped rosters are going to need a little more separation than the goalies you have in your list. The rankings are very useful however and I will adjust accordingly.
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        • Al_Tito13
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          • Sep 2010
          • 1167

          #5
          Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

          Originally posted by Simple Mathematics
          Al Tito - great list man. The only thing I would point out is the revamped rosters are going to need a little more separation than the goalies you have in your list. The rankings are very useful however and I will adjust accordingly.
          Yeah, I agree with you regarding separation for the revamped roster, mostly for the bottom part of my list. There's not a bad separation at all in my list between #1 and #10 (93 to 86), but there should probably be a better separation for #11 to #25 (right now only 85 to 81).
          Last edited by Al_Tito13; 06-24-2015, 04:49 PM.

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          • bwiggy33
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            • Jul 2006
            • 2003

            #6
            Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

            Originally posted by AdamJones113
            Just while it's in my head, list forthcoming.

            2. Semyon Varlamov (28-20-8)
            Did not have a great year. Wasn't tenth in the league in anything and the Avalanche allowed the fifth-fewest shots per game. While he upped his shutout numbers he regressed in basically every other category. 13-14 was great, but 14-15 was emphatically not. He didn't stand on his head when he had to, with the Avalanche being the opposite of the Stars' win percentages when outshooting and being outshot.
            Conclusion: 84 overall, based on 13-14 and the expectation that he can rebound.


            Am I the only guy who doesn't really like Varlamov? I don't think he's close to the top 5.
            I actually disagree with you and reason number one is you read those stats backwards. Colorado gives up the 5th most shots in the league at 33.2. It's pretty hard to be top 10 in stat categories when you get that workload, and are also hurt while in the process. Regardless of that Varlamov stands on his head. Colorado gives up prime scoring chances like candy. This amount of shots isn't coming from the outside. They're back door plays, odd man rushes, and point blank shots from the slot. The Avs team D is quite poor. Do you watch many Avs games by chance? If not you really should because I think you are judging him very wrong. Of course this is all opinion so you are free to think what you will. However, the guy stands on his head for them. His movement from side to side is ridiculously good, as is his puck tracking ability on point blank shots. To me he's definitely top 5 and it's because of what he does with the workload he gets. Without him, the Avs are probably drafting anywhere from 4-7.

            Also if you'd like to go one step further, the Avs gave up the 6th most shots last year in which they went to the playoffs. Ask anyone and they will tell you Varlamov is the reason for that. Sure Mckinnon was fantastic, but Varlamov was the MVP of that team. He was 1st in wins, 2nd in SV%, and really you can continue going on. Call me biased but to me Varlamov was also the primary reason the Wild didn't win that series before game 7 last year.
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            • Simple Mathematics
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              • Sep 2009
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              Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

              Originally posted by bwiggy33
              I actually disagree with you and reason number one is you read those stats backwards. Colorado gives up the 5th most shots in the league at 33.2. It's pretty hard to be top 10 in stat categories when you get that workload, and are also hurt while in the process. Regardless of that Varlamov stands on his head. Colorado gives up prime scoring chances like candy. This amount of shots isn't coming from the outside. They're back door plays, odd man rushes, and point blank shots from the slot. The Avs team D is quite poor. Do you watch many Avs games by chance? If not you really should because I think you are judging him very wrong. Of course this is all opinion so you are free to think what you will. However, the guy stands on his head for them. His movement from side to side is ridiculously good, as is his puck tracking ability on point blank shots. To me he's definitely top 5 and it's because of what he does with the workload he gets. Without him, the Avs are probably drafting anywhere from 4-7.

              Also if you'd like to go one step further, the Avs gave up the 6th most shots last year in which they went to the playoffs. Ask anyone and they will tell you Varlamov is the reason for that. Sure Mckinnon was fantastic, but Varlamov was the MVP of that team. He was 1st in wins, 2nd in SV%, and really you can continue going on. Call me biased but to me Varlamov was also the primary reason the Wild didn't win that series before game 7 last year.
              Good points. The Av's defense is horrendous. That's kinda why I gave him a boost to where he is on my list. While he had a bad year stats-wise, he had done much better in prior years. I understand both points both of you guys made.

              This is why goalies are the hardest position to rate. Inconsistency!
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              • redsox4evur
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                • Jul 2013
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                #8
                Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

                Originally posted by Simple Mathematics
                Good points. The Av's defense is horrendous. That's kinda why I gave him a boost to where he is on my list. While he had a bad year stats-wise, he had done much better in prior years. I understand both points both of you guys made.

                This is why goalies are the hardest position to rate. Inconsistency!
                Also when grading the Bruins goalies they are pretty good because of the system that Julien likes to play. Turning every guy into a two-way player. And he needs to get back on d, no matter how good you are offensively.

                Just food for thought.
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                • Simple Mathematics
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                  Originally posted by redsox4evur
                  Also when grading the Bruins goalies they are pretty good because of the system that Julien likes to play. Turning every guy into a two-way player. And he needs to get back on d, no matter how good you are offensively.

                  Just food for thought.
                  While he has had one of the best defenders in the world for his whole career, I still think Tuukka Rask is a top 5 goalie in the world. The guy is so quick in the net and he makes some crazy reflex saves.
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                  • redsox4evur
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                    Originally posted by Simple Mathematics
                    While he has had one of the best defenders in the world for his whole career, I still think Tuukka Rask is a top 5 goalie in the world. The guy is so quick in the net and he makes some crazy reflex saves.
                    Oh yea he is still a top 5 goalie that I don't question. I'm just pointing out that he is not the only reason why he is putting up those numbers. The defense really helps him. I mean you how often do you have such a quick transition from stud to stud. Look at Thomas in the 2011 playoffs to Rask now.
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                    • Simple Mathematics
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                      Originally posted by redsox4evur
                      Oh yea he is still a top 5 goalie that I don't question. I'm just pointing out that he is not the only reason why he is putting up those numbers. The defense really helps him. I mean you how often do you have such a quick transition from stud to stud. Look at Thomas in the 2011 playoffs to Rask now.
                      Unfortunately, I think age has caught up to Chara now. Big reason why the Bruins didn't make the playoffs. Also, it didn't help that their offense decided to take the year off.
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                      • AdamJones113
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                        • Apr 2013
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                        Originally posted by bwiggy33
                        I actually disagree with you and reason number one is you read those stats backwards. Colorado gives up the 5th most shots in the league at 33.2. It's pretty hard to be top 10 in stat categories when you get that workload, and are also hurt while in the process. Regardless of that Varlamov stands on his head. Colorado gives up prime scoring chances like candy. This amount of shots isn't coming from the outside. They're back door plays, odd man rushes, and point blank shots from the slot. The Avs team D is quite poor. Do you watch many Avs games by chance? If not you really should because I think you are judging him very wrong. Of course this is all opinion so you are free to think what you will. However, the guy stands on his head for them. His movement from side to side is ridiculously good, as is his puck tracking ability on point blank shots. To me he's definitely top 5 and it's because of what he does with the workload he gets. Without him, the Avs are probably drafting anywhere from 4-7.

                        Also if you'd like to go one step further, the Avs gave up the 6th most shots last year in which they went to the playoffs. Ask anyone and they will tell you Varlamov is the reason for that. Sure Mckinnon was fantastic, but Varlamov was the MVP of that team. He was 1st in wins, 2nd in SV%, and really you can continue going on. Call me biased but to me Varlamov was also the primary reason the Wild didn't win that series before game 7 last year.
                        I'll concede your points—I rarely get to watch the Avs—but your stuff can be read backwards as well.

                        You said he stood on his head in the year they went to the playoffs, when he went 41-14 and (something like 7, don't remember). But if that's when he stood on his head, the year where the Avs gave up the 6th most shots, then he didn't stand on his head as much this past year (28-20-8)—and guess what, the Avs are picking right near that 7 pick you mentioned.

                        Also, I included in my thinking the fact that he had just that one good year. I saw more of him when he was a Capital, and he was not as good (probably the reason I still maintain that perception in some way). So, as Simple told me in a PM, he bases the rating mostly off of last year's stats—but with some last year and some career in there. Prior to the fantastic year with the Avalanche, he he had 1 over-.500 season (he had more wins than regulation losses in several, but never overall) and that was a 15-4-6 campaign with mediocre SV% and GAA.

                        In conclusion, I accept your points. I know that if I were to make a list I would be sure to watch game film and then I would see what you see. However, I cannot rate him (based on his career having one major exception and one three seasons over 35 games [I'm big on GP as I know how much wear a goalie takes through a season]) equal to Jonathan Quick, who we know has a great defense; and one point above Sergei Bobrovsky, whose stats are better and whose team allowed more shots per game than the Avalanche did.

                        I'll meet you at an 87 (after my below edit).


                        EDIT: I took a look at some Avalanche archived games. I totally see your points. What I like about Varlamov (after watching) is his quick/powerful and active legs, which as you point out give him great lateral movement. That can lead to a slight overcommit, vis a vis a few I saw. Now I would definitely take lateral movement over not having it. I wish I had had that kind of agility.
                        Last edited by AdamJones113; 05-16-2015, 02:40 PM.
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                        • emericaridr11
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                          Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

                          Originally posted by AdamJones113
                          great lateral movement. That can lead to a slight overcommit, vis a vis the Subban goal and a few others I saw.
                          pretty sure that Subban Goal was Calvin Pickard, but anyways I think Varly is a Top 10 Goalie not Top 5

                          his consistency is a problem

                          he is a beast though, easily our best player
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                          • AdamJones113
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                            Originally posted by emericaridr11
                            pretty sure that Subban Goal was Calvin Pickard, but anyways I think Varly is a Top 10 Goalie not Top 5

                            his consistency is a problem

                            he is a beast though, easily our best player
                            You're right, my bad.

                            Varlamov reminds me a lot of Carey Price. As you say the consistency is a problem (you would know much better than I), and Price is of course better overall, but they fit a similar mould. Would be interesting to see how Varlamov would do with the defense Price has and vice versa.
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                            • emericaridr11
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                              Re: NHL 16 Revamped - Goalies - Community Input

                              Originally posted by AdamJones113
                              You're right, my bad.

                              Varlamov reminds me a lot of Carey Price. As you say the consistency is a problem (you would know much better than I), and Price is of course better overall, but they fit a similar mould. Would be interesting to see how Varlamov would do with the defense Price has and vice versa.
                              I agree.... and Price seems way to overconfident or maybe I should say way too Calm
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