Madden NFL 16: First Look Trailer (Be the Playmaker)

[Hooe]

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It's two-fold, one is there being no other football games to choose from of course, and the other is Madden's use in the past of phrases like, "most realistic NFL simulation" or "authentic NFL gameplay". Those are just smart marketing blurbs, but many here take great umbrage with those kinds of statements. It's purely marketing 101, but some feel that saying that kind of stuff creates or should create a standard that EA has to live up to.

Very few people care if NBA Live makes any kind of statements about NBA authenticity, because even if they are just talking out of their nose, there is another choice to be made.

If will never, never, never happen of course, but it Tiburon came out and actually said, "Madden uses the NFL as a reference point, but we really aren't trying to replicate NFL gameplay in a completely authentic manner." I wonder if that would free people from hoping that Madden will ever be radically different than what it is now.

Again, I reiterate - if a video game isn't living up to a person's expectations year after year, if a person keeps getting "fooled" by a game's marketing year after year and said person keeps paying attention to said game which he clearly doesn't like, whose fault is it really?

The exclusive license (which I'm not a fan of either, don't twist my words) doesn't affect this question whatsoever. If one doesn't like the game, there are hundreds of other games to spend your money, time, and patience on. It's unfortunate that there's no other football game option on consoles, but even the choice between spending $60 on a game one clearly doesn't enjoy or not spending $60 at all should be obvious.

As to how Tiburon messages the game - it's not their responsibility to message the game in a manner people here think is appropriate. It's the consumer's responsibility to realize the marketing doesn't match the product and to spend their attention on other games where he feels marketing and product are more closely aligned.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Again, I reiterate - if a video game isn't living up to a person's expectations year after year, if a person keeps getting "fooled" by a game's marketing year after year and said person keeps paying attention to said game which he clearly doesn't like, whose fault is it really?

The exclusive license (which I'm not a fan of either, don't twist my words) doesn't affect this question whatsoever. If one doesn't like the game, there are hundreds of other games to spend your money, time, and patience on. It's unfortunate that there's no other football game option on consoles, but even the choice between spending $60 on a game one clearly doesn't enjoy or not spending $60 at all should be obvious.

As to how Tiburon messages the game - it's not their responsibility to message the game in a manner people here think is appropriate. It's the consumer's responsibility to realize the marketing doesn't match the product and to spend their attention on other games where he feels marketing and product are more closely aligned.

You are 100% correct. It is the consumer who ultimately decides if they are going to buy the game or not. EA isn't forcing your hand.

At the same time, however, I believe that EA should stop using "It's in the game" when clearly it hasn't.

And more choices doesn't necessarily mean better. If anyone remembers the last time "the other game" came out, it wasn't necessarily the best IE: Fatigue, QB problems. Just because there is competition doesn't mean that one is going to clearly outshine the other.

[SageInfinite]

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Again, I reiterate - if a video game isn't living up to a person's expectations year after year, if a person keeps getting "fooled" by a game's marketing year after year and said person keeps paying attention to said game which he clearly doesn't like, whose fault is it really?

The exclusive license (which I'm not a fan of either, don't twist my words) doesn't affect this question whatsoever. If one doesn't like the game, there are hundreds of other games to spend your money, time, and patience on. It's unfortunate that there's no other football game option on consoles, but even the choice between spending $60 on a game one clearly doesn't enjoy or not spending $60 at all should be obvious.

As to how Tiburon messages the game - it's not their responsibility to message the game in a manner people here think is appropriate. It's the consumer's responsibility to realize the marketing doesn't match the product and to spend their attention on other games where he feels marketing and product are more closely aligned.

This is 100% real. People need to save their money if they are dissatisfied with Madden as an NFL product. Show EA and the NFL you're not happy. It doesn't matter if you don't feel it will make a difference, it will for you. You can't complain about something, then turn around and support it. This has been going on for a decade, it's nothing new. If you enjoy Madden support it, there's nothing wrong with it, but if you don't and you still go out and buy it new, and give EA data of you playing online, you need to check yourself.

[Big FN Deal]

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This is 100% real. People need to save their money if they are dissatisfied with Madden as an NFL product. Show EA and the NFL you're not happy. It doesn't matter if you don't feel it will make a difference, it will for you. You can't complain about something, then turn around and support it. This has been going on for a decade, it's nothing new. If you enjoy Madden support it, there's nothing wrong with it, but if you don't and you still go out and buy it new, and give EA data of you playing online, you need to check yourself.

Sure this makes sense in relation to supporting the game with a purchase when you feel it's not adequate but not for calling the game to task on what those making it keep claiming about it. Not directed at you Sage but at this notion that calling EA Tiburon to task on Madden and pointing out where they obviously fall short, is somehow pointless because the consumer should have known better by now.

I will never understand how any consumer without a vested interest in a companies sales would side with said company on not delivering what they claim and then go so far as to blame other consumers for not knowing better, when faced with the fact. Whether they successfully "fooled" someone or not is besides the point that they tried to and they should be called out for it. No point in trying to defend these kind of practices as harmless marketing or the consumers fault just because someone likes the game, the devs or whatever, it is what it is. It's not necessary to contribute one dime to EA Tiburon for Madden in order to call them to task on what they claim about the game.

I want to stress "claim" vs marketing too because marketing has some creative license with trying to make something more interesting or intriguing to the public, whereas a claim is being presented as a statement of fact. Ie, marketing Madden as a NFL simulation can be interpreted all manner of ways but making claims of realism is the priority leave no such room for interpretation.

[Hooe]

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Big, let me ask you two direct questions if I may:

1 - Yes or no: do you enjoy playing the Madden NFL console video game?

2 - if the answer to 1 is "no": what is your motivation to spend your time and attention on a recreational pursuit from which you derive zero enjoyment?

[SpyPirates]

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If a company has a monopoly over a market and does a ****ty job of providing the product, the only thing you can do is take your case public and try to get it changed. EA has little incentive to care... just the fact that it is the only football game available will give it good sales indefinitely. You can't take down a monopolist by not buying its product. It's like telling people to stop buying cable TV because you don't like Comcast. It just doesn't work because there are no substitutes for people to switch to.

[Hooe]

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If a company has a monopoly over a market and does a ****ty job of providing the product, the only thing you can do is take your case public and try to get it changed. EA has little incentive to care... just the fact that it is the only football game available will give it good sales indefinitely. You can't take down a monopolist by not buying its product. It's like telling people to stop buying cable TV because you don't like Comcast. It just doesn't work because there are no substitutes for people to switch to.

This argument fails because EA doesn't have a monopoly over video games. If consumers stop buying EA video games, EA goes out of business.

[Madwolf]

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This argument fails because EA doesn't have a monopoly over video games. If consumers stop buying EA video games, EA goes out of business.

Just like if we stop buying electric from the electric company they go out of business. Right?

[m1ke_nyc]

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Just like if we stop buying electric from the electric company they go out of business. Right?

You can't compare those 2 things. One is a neccesity to living comfortably or in most cases survival. The other is a form of entertainment that isn't necessary and can easily be replaced one day.

[Hooe]

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Just like if we stop buying electric from the electric company they go out of business. Right?

Video games a consumer good and aren't a utility, so no it's not like that at all actually.

[Big FN Deal]

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Big, let me ask you two direct questions if I may:

1 - Yes or no: do you enjoy playing the Madden NFL console video game?

2 - if the answer to 1 is "no": what is your motivation to spend your time and attention on a recreational pursuit from which you derive zero enjoyment?

1.No
2. I currently derive what little enjoyment I can from discussing the genre, not playing the game. Also it should go without saying but since Madden is the only current NFL game that pretty much makes this forum the only place to discuss the NFL gaming genre on OS. That is what we are doing here, discussing the game, not playing it, so 1, in reference to 2, is moot.

It's akin to me asking you if your answer to 1 is "yes" then what's the point of you discussing vs playing a game you claim to have so much fun with. However that would be besides the point because it's possible to both enjoy playing a game and discuss it on a forum, just as it's possible to not enjoy playing it and discuss it.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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EA doesn't have a true monopoly on an American Football game, but I would say they have a general monopoly in the exclusive license; it has been proven that no other company has been willing to put money into competing with EA's NFL and Player deal by producing a generic football game...

[michapop9]

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You can't compare those 2 things. One is a neccesity to living comfortably or in most cases survival. The other is a form of entertainment that isn't necessary and can easily be replaced one day.

its kind of a matter of opinion, easily replaced depends on who you talk to, you cant think that you can speak for everyone when you say that. This is part of the problem.


Look, I think this dev team (or at least the new members and new leadership on this dev team) is truly putting forth much more of an effort to appease hardcore players. In the vast majority of the 360 and ps3 days that could not be said, the game was clearly living off of the NFL and not on its own merit. The NFL and football in general is like a drug to many people, EA cornered the market and lived off the addicts for a long time, peoples expectations are rightly high because any true improvement made now is going to be LONG overdue, thats not neccesarily this dev teams fault, but they have no choice but to play catch up due to the failures of the past. So incremental improvements (or to more correctly put it, very good improvments to individual portions of the game) is going to fall short. True hardcore fans have been told to be patient for so long for a complete game that anyone else telling them to be patient or anyone standing up for EA just sets off a firestorm, than theyre told to calm down by people who obviously dont have the same desire for a complete football experience. I mean the improvements theyre making are truly noticeable, but after this long we still dont have true player movement out of all 22 players?? Do you know how fundamental that is to football?


Its very hard to argue with alot of the naysayers (EA bashers) at this point. So the next valid option is "calm down, its just a game, you dont like it, move on, if it means that much to you, you clearly have problems." I dont think thats the greatest thing to say on a video game forum.

[Primo80]

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What the trailer showed is the best case scenario from Madden. All we saw were new animations, which is all we can reasonably expect will improve the gameplay. I know Rex said they are adding layers onto what was already built, which isn't surprising; but hopefully these new WR interactions are a demonstration of the improvements of animations overall. Hopefully, it isn't shoehorned in.

Without graphical improvements of any kind apparent in the trailer, maybe we can assume priorities shifted to what has been neglected. There are so many football moves that dont have animations yet. Like all the ways a WR can get off the line. I havent played Madden in awhile, but isnt there a Beat Press rating? Or how bout stutters/fakes immediately after the catch?

[Hooe]

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Like all the ways a WR can get off the line. I havent played Madden in awhile, but isnt there a Beat Press rating?

To answer this question - there is a Release rating, which has been called Beat Press in past editions of Madden. They're one in the same.

It's matched up against a defensive back's Press rating to determine the interaction between a receiver getting off the line of scrimmage for a route and a defender in press coverage.