Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trailer and Blog - Night Club Challenge

[brandon27]

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Divotmaker would probably be able to chime in on this better than I could but I'm pretty sure there is a HUGE different between Madden adding MUT and RM adding this mode.

I know for a fact that there are completely separate teams that work on that mode in Madden so it sacrifices no resources to other area's of the game.

I don't think it's a poor assumption to make that this dev team is DRASTICALLY smaller than Madden's so the opportunity cost for adding a mode like this is drastically different and much more of a hindrance than Madden adding MUT.



It miffs me because I actual enjoyed most of the training drills in the past, I think as of now we can assume they are still there but seeing this makes that not a guarantee.


Most concerning though, and why people are so mad about this, is it shows a strange direction for the franchise, and not one that you will get much support on here.

Absolutely. I get all of that. I'm not so worried about the direction though. They have the PGA license still. I dont think they would be coughing up cash for that just to make an arcade style game like this mode.

I don't like that they took focus away from designing another real PGA course or two over the 8 (9 with preorder) course list they have, so I completely get that.

I simply compared it to MUT/HUT in my original post though, because they are modes that I think are ridiculous in both of those games, and I just dont play them. Similar to how I'll handle this mode if my trial of the game through EA Access goes well.

[Weisszach]

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Wrong on so many levels

[dpc134]

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For me, based on my past experiences with a vast amount of video games, this video really dictates what type of game and audience EA is targeting.

If EA is developing a racing game (Need for Speed) with Honda Civics that go 200 mph around city streets, then EA is targeting arcade racing audience. It may be a great game with stunning visuals, but I am a sim racer and simply do not have any interest.

For golf, I am also sim only. I play TGC only with all aids off. The video shown by EA dictates what type of game / audience they are targeting and it simply isn't my style.
Those saying, "you don't need to play this mode" are correct. I will not be playing that mode or purchasing this game.

[speedtrucker]

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Not getting the uproar, honestly. Like has been stated by a few, things like this have been in the game in the past and can be skipped over rather easily. It's not for us on here on these boards. I won't play it and I imagine no one "hardcore" will. There's a whole other mode in the game made for guys like me and others on this board.

This mode doesn't kill the sim factor of this game any more than the crib did in NFL 2K, Blacktop in NBA 2K or the Party Mode in the NHL 2K series. I think people are so starved for info, we're living on the extremes of rationality.

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the 2k crib was an answer to Madden cards which were a rough precursor to MUT... the whole thing was tied to your career in a way and it didn't present the game in a fantastical manner that didn't make sense.

Blacktop in 2k was a weird direction but it was a DLC after the game not a part of the game. meaning they focused on the core parts of the game and then afterwards went to work on finishing the DLC.

this, while just a part of the whole, is part of the game. meaning $ and time were spent on a fantastical part of the game rather than focusing on the core parts. as a DLC at least it could be spun that "we wanted to add to the overall experience with a fantasy style fun golf mode"... instead this is shown before we even really understand or have been fully introduced to what the core part of the game is. EA is still busy informing everyone of which golfers are going to be in the game rather than what the whole RPG-esque aspect of the career mode really entails.

of course a user doesn't have to play the mode, seeing as how they invested enough to time to create a full course with over 150 events and minigames... seems like a lot just to say this isn't a big part of the game.

[sroz39]

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the 2k crib was an answer to Madden cards which were a rough precursor to MUT... the whole thing was tied to your career in a way and it didn't present the game in a fantastical manner that didn't make sense.

Blacktop in 2k was a weird direction but it was a DLC after the game not a part of the game. meaning they focused on the core parts of the game and then afterwards went to work on finishing the DLC.

this, while just a part of the whole, is part of the game. meaning $ and time were spent on a fantastical part of the game rather than focusing on the core parts. as a DLC at least it could be spun that "we wanted to add to the overall experience with a fantasy style fun golf mode"... instead this is shown before we even really understand or have been fully introduced to what the core part of the game is. EA is still busy informing everyone of which golfers are going to be in the game rather than what the whole RPG-esque aspect of the career mode really entails.

of course a user doesn't have to play the mode, seeing as how they invested enough to time to create a full course with over 150 events and minigames... seems like a lot just to say this isn't a big part of the game.

Cribs you played celebrities...trying to hit certain challenges while you're at it to unlock things for your crib. Regardless of what it was an answer to, it was resources directed away from the core game which ended up being considered one of the best football games ever.

Blacktop mode, in the first few years of last gen, was not DLC, rather part of the main game including a slam dunk contest and "not sim" game modes. Didn't take away from the game even though resources were poured into it.

My point is, this is a game mode for a casual audience. I'm not going to play it and I doubt many of you are. So why the butt hurt reactions? I hate the marketing strategy as much as anyone. I want to see gameplay videos, and some Career mode impressions etc. But that doesn't mean that on Tour difficulty, this won't be a game worthwhile to play.

They tried to make a more sim-oriented golf experience with TW 13 and especially 14....and sales flopped. Either we accept the fact these modes will exist along with a sim experience as well and hope sales pick up, or we don't get any golf game. If this genre were lucrative, 2K or some other developer than EA would have already taken a stab at it. It's EA or bust, at least on consoles, when it comes to a PGA title.

This game mode has no bearing on my potential enjoyment of this game.

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[turbineseaplane]

I'm trying to pretend I didn't see that video.

That felt like "Rainbow Six Recon: Golf Attack"

[LingeringRegime]

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At least it is not a Perkins Waitress Challenge.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Cribs you played celebrities...trying to hit certain challenges while you're at it to unlock things for your crib. Regardless of what it was an answer to, it was resources directed away from the core game which ended up being considered one of the best football games ever.

Blacktop mode, in the first few years of last gen, was not DLC, rather part of the main game including a slam dunk contest and "not sim" game modes. Didn't take away from the game even though resources were poured into it.

My point is, this is a game mode for a casual audience. I'm not going to play it and I doubt many of you are. So why the butt hurt reactions? I hate the marketing strategy as much as anyone. I want to see gameplay videos, and some Career mode impressions etc. But that doesn't mean that on Tour difficulty, this won't be a game worthwhile to play.

They tried to make a more sim-oriented golf experience with TW 13 and especially 14....and sales flopped. Either we accept the fact these modes will exist along with a sim experience as well and hope sales pick up, or we don't get any golf game. If this genre were lucrative, 2K or some other developer than EA would have already taken a stab at it. It's EA or bust, at least on consoles, when it comes to a PGA title.

This game mode has no bearing on my potential enjoyment of this game.

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The game loses sales every year not because of the sim factor, it's because the game uses the same stale and lifeless presentation and career modes every year. It's a game that uses the model of a decade old sports game of drawing in the gamer.

Most sports games evolve every year where you feel more and more immersed in it because they make it look and sound more authentic with enhanced presentation and franchise modes.

If you really expect the sales to rebound because it's slanting toward an arcade experience then you may be in for a suprise. Until they make a game that provides an involving and authentic PGA experience that makes you want to keep playing then the series will continue to spin it's wheels and totally misread the market.

[lhslancers]

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I hope the only reason they chose to show that video was to show off the lighting effects on the new consoles. Usually when a company takes a long time to develop a game and then do not show the game off is because there ain't much to show off. Why not launch the damn game the week of the US Open?

[pietasterp]

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If you really expect the sales to rebound because it's slanting toward an arcade experience then you may be in for a suprise. Until they make a game that provides an involving and authentic PGA experience that makes you want to keep playing then the series will continue to spin it's wheels and totally misread the market.

I agree; I think it's EA grossly mis-reading the market. I mean, by this logic, Madden football should be "NFL Blitz" by now. They focus on making their other sports games as close to real-life as possible (ostensibly, anyway...), yet when it comes to golf, it's completely the opposite. This line of thinking makes no sense to me at all.

FIFA 16 featuring: Stadiums on the moon! (oh, by the way, the San Siro, Camp Nou, and Wembly aren't in the game, and the Bundesliga is paid DLC).

NHL 16 featuring: 3-on-3 street hockey mode with your house's garage door as the goal! (playing through the complete Stanley Cup playoffs requires paid DLC)

Madden 16 featuring: .....nah, too easy at this point...

TL;DR version - no other sport's fans get treated to this level of disrespect by EA to their sport-of-choice.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I agree; I think it's EA grossly mis-reading the market. I mean, by this logic, Madden football should be "NFL Blitz" by now. They focus on making their other sports games as close to real-life as possible (ostensibly, anyway...), yet when it comes to golf, it's completely the opposite. This line of thinking makes no sense to me at all.

FIFA 16 featuring: Stadiums on the moon! (oh, by the way, the San Siro, Camp Nou, and Wembly aren't in the game, and the Bundesliga is paid DLC).

NHL 16 featuring: 3-on-3 street hockey mode with your house's garage door as the goal! (playing through the complete Stanley Cup playoffs requires paid DLC)

Madden 16 featuring: .....nah, too easy at this point...

TL;DR version - no other sport's fans get treated to this level of disrespect by EA to their sport-of-choice.

That's what infuriates me. Golf is the the oldest sports video game on the market. I remember playing Links on my 386 computer and it was extremely popular, before Madden and everything else. If anything this type of game has the most mature demographic and should be treated like a serious sports sim more than any other sports game.

But for some reason as soon as EA got Tiger on the cover, they needed to dumb it down. They continually made it to cater to the lowest common denominator and it never evolved. Sure they went the sim route the last few versions which I applaud and thought was going in the right direction but the rest of the features needed to complement that was kept as shallow as possible. The game became a big contradiction. We'll try and make it as real as possible but in a lifeless environment. They went out of thier way to make it boring and they succeeded and lagging sales are proof. You have to liven it up but not this way especially when other sports games are way ahead of them in terms of immersion.

[jbd345]

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That's what infuriates me. Golf is the the oldest sports video game on the market. I remember playing Links on my 386 computer and it was extremely popular, before Madden and everything else. If anything this type of game has the most mature demographic and should be treated like a serious sports sim more than any other sports game.

But for some reason as soon as EA got Tiger on the cover, they needed to dumb it down. They continually made it to cater to the lowest common denominator and it never evolved. Sure they went the sim route the last few versions which I applaud and thought was going in the right direction but the rest of the features needed to complement that was kept as shallow as possible. The game became a big contradiction. We'll try and make it as real as possible but in a lifeless environment. They went out of thier way to make it boring and they succeeded and lagging sales are proof. You have to liven it up but not this way especially when other sports games are way ahead of them in terms of immersion.

Agreed with everything you've said. It is a shame that they think they have to cater to kids. Golf is a different sport. You can play it your whole life. Granted a 60 year old isn't going to by a ps4/video game, but it's golf everyone that plays can relate to it, weather your 10 or 50. They have such a huge demographic, like I said on the beginning its sad they only see one portion of it.

[lhslancers]

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Agreed with everything you've said. It is a shame that they think they have to cater to kids. Golf is a different sport. You can play it your whole life. Granted a 60 year old isn't going to by a ps4/video game, but it's golf everyone that plays can relate to it, weather your 10 or 50. They have such a huge demographic, like I said on the beginning its sad they only see one portion of it.

I'm 63 and I would buy it.

[OnlookerDelay]

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I'm 60 and the inclusion of Night Club golf wouldn't prevent me from buying the game. I know I won't play it, but if helps sell the game to a younger, less traditional golf audience, so be it. I just hope the Tour mode play is realistic enough to satisfy my interests. EA Sports has shown the arcade crowd more of what they're interested in than those seeking a realistic golf challenge thus far, but they probably have marketing data to back up that approach.

[pietasterp]

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I'm 60 and the inclusion of Night Club golf wouldn't prevent me from buying the game. I know I won't play it, but if helps sell the game to a younger, less traditional golf audience, so be it.

I wonder if the numbers back this assumption up, though? To me, this reeks of almost all laughably transparent corporate attempts to "be hip" and "appeal to the kids" that mostly fail, because it's hard - albeit not impossible - to focus-group manufacture cool (whatever unquantifiable thing 'cool' even is....).

If there is any evidence that the game is improving, say, sales to under-21 year old individuals, while simultaneously not losing 30+ year olds (who have most of the disposable income at this point) for a net-gain in revenue, than I guess this would make sense. But from an anecdotal point of view, does anyone honestly think that a 15-year-old that otherwise has no interest in golf whatsoever would suddenly start to give a golf game serious consideration because it has Battlefield courses and a "Night Club" (whatever the f* that is)? To me, this logic just makes no sense whatsoever and can only have been cooked up in some C-suite by an over-50 Ivy MBA...

I mean, this line of thinking extended to anything else would just be ridiculous. It's like saying, "Now I know teenagers have no interest in derivatives trading, but if we got Taylor Swift to ring the bell at the NYSE, I'm sure they'd all start flooding into the market in droves!!!".

EA Sports has shown the arcade crowd more of what they're interested in than those seeking a realistic golf challenge thus far, but they probably have marketing data to back up that approach.

I wonder if they do, though (vis-a-vis my above rant)? To me, it seems like if you're interested in non-sim golf, there's "Hot Shots" and "Mario Golf". It's a pretty narrow market. As the only officially-licensed golf game, the focus should be pretty much exclusively on sim. I think the people that are interested in the casual games and the sim games are non-overlapping groups, and it's futile to think you can capture both simultaneously.