Anyone remembers "fairplay"???

[da206gamer]

I forgot which madden it was but I remember there was an option called fair play or whatever it was called. When it was turned on, we had to punt the ball on 4th downs, limit onside kicks and other stuff to make it fair...I think it would be awesome if they bring it back and create a fair play lobby for those who want to have this feature implemented. Those who don't want "fair play" can play in their lobbies. I know EA is aiming towards the casual crowd or so it seems but fair play will actually teach newbies a thing or two about how real football should be played.

Imagine having this feature for online leagues. It will do wonders and at the same time cut commissioners for online leagues a little break.

For example commissioners for online leagues can customize these options:
+No going for 4th downs until the 2nd half (When turned on, your play selection screen will show punt until the 2nd half)
+No going for 4th downs unless you're inside your opponent 40, 35, 30, ect (whichever you set it to)
+Onside kicks are limited (Be creative with this customization)
(These are just a few examples I am sure the developers can come with some more creative ideas to make it realistic and fair.)

The reason why I brought this up is because I feel the state we are in with recent Madden games is that it's more catered to the offense side of the ball especially in user vs. user games. The last madden where it actually felt good to play defense in my opinion was Madden 05 besides the super LBs which plagued older Madden games it actually felt good to play defense that year. I feel strongly and I'm sure many will agree with the option to have fair play, when playing defense against another human opponent it would actually mean something and also rewarding at the same time when making stop on 3rd downs. I don't see how this would be a tough task to do.

[Dj_MyTime]

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These would be a welcomed addition. Would cut out gray area, and issues of ''when'' it's ok to do one or the other.

[da206gamer]

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These would be a welcomed addition. Would cut out gray area, and issues of ''when'' it's ok to do one or the other.

Yes it would.

[Mr.Smif]

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Why force people to do things? If someone wants to go for it on 4th and long they should be able too. But at the same time the game should have no bugs/money plays for users to exploit 4th and longs, onside kicks, etc. So if the gameplay is good enough then their should be no need for fair play, because if you pick the right defense on 4th and long it should be a stop most of the time and good field position for you.

[mjavon]

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This is actually an awesome idea. I love the idea of having seperate lobbies for people with a more "sim" play style.

[TTD71]

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Why force people to do things? If someone wants to go for it on 4th and long they should be able too. But at the same time the game should have no bugs/money plays for users to exploit 4th and longs, onside kicks, etc. So if the gameplay is good enough then their should be no need for fair play, because if you pick the right defense on 4th and long it should be a stop most of the time and good field position for you.

The gameplay is NEVER going to be good enough to overcome the stupidity of random head-to-head opponents. EVER!

While I would prefer to see "Fair Play = On" and All-Madden level for online play, what I would REALLY like to see is something along the lines of the NBA2K system of governing quitting online. There is no penalty for once or even twice in a short period quitting or disconnecting from games, but beyond that, they put a time limit on re-starting another game.

As long as quitting has no bearing on the user's ability to start another game, we will ALWAYS see morons start a game, go 4 and out with stupid playcalls and no huddles and then quit...or worse yet last a few series before quitting after wasting someone else's online time.

"Fair Play" would make it harder to have random opponents act the fool, but unless there are more draconian penalties beyond DNF% for quitters, the most offensive part of online play will stay....

Now for direct head-to-head play, a simulation setting that had amped up penalty sliders, more reliance on physics and strategy for gameplay outcomes AND "fair play"? SIgn me up!!!

[da206gamer]

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Why force people to do things? If someone wants to go for it on 4th and long they should be able too. But at the same time the game should have no bugs/money plays for users to exploit 4th and longs, onside kicks, etc. So if the gameplay is good enough then their should be no need for fair play, because if you pick the right defense on 4th and long it should be a stop most of the time and good field position for you.

Like I said....People that don't want to have fair play on can go on the other lobbies/quick match. People like me will play on the "fair play" lobbies/quick match. Every one wins.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Anyone remembers "fairplay"???

Why force people to do things? If someone wants to go for it on 4th and long they should be able too. But at the same time the game should have no bugs/money plays for users to exploit 4th and longs, onside kicks, etc. So if the gameplay is good enough then their should be no need for fair play, because if you pick the right defense on 4th and long it should be a stop most of the time and good field position for you.

Yep totally agree. Get the gameplay right (and I think it can get there) and it solves a lot of issues. Will all issues be resolved? I doubt it. I just expect them to keep trying and not spend time on covering them up.
To me fairplay was one of many bandaids the game had to compensate for bad programming. The less bandaids the better.

With that said... Until the game gets to that point I have zero issues having a system in place for commish settings or online lobbies set certain ways.

Just my .02

[da206gamer]

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Yep totally agree. Get the gameplay right (and I think it can get there) and it solves a lot of issues. Will all issues be reolved? I doubt it. I just expect them to keep trying and not spend time on covering them up.
To me fairplay was one of many bandaids the game had to compensate for bad programming. The less bandaids the better.

With that said... Until the game gets to that point I have zero issues having a system in place for commish settings or online lobbies set certain ways.

Just my .02

No matter how right they get the gameplay down there are always people who are going to go for 4th downs on their own side of the field. That's just how it is. With fairplay, if done right it can/wil provide a more sim style approach to the game of football. Like I said we should have separate lobbies and make it optional for ppl who wants to play that style cause I'm sick of rage quitters who don't convert on 4 and forever on their own 25 after getting blown out due to giving up great field position by going for these dumb 4th downs. These people can go play in their own lobbies.

[The JareBear]

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I think with ideas like FairPlay, the heart is in the right place.

Unfortunately, with football, I don't think there's a one size fits all approach to this kind of stuff. So many different contextual decisions need to be made during the course of a football game, one decision to go for it on 4th is entirely different from another decision to go for it on 4th.

Sim is such a subjective term it's hard to have one hard set rule for every aspect that everyone will agree with. I've seen an NFL team lint the ball up by 3 with 3 minutes left in the game in their opponents 32 yard line, and I've seen teams go for it in that situation as well. It's tough.

[VirtualAthlete]

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Yes I remember those settings! They would make the game more simulation like, however I don't think that's what EA really wants even though they say they are aiming for a sim game.Honesty nothing about competitive Madden is sim like!All you have to do is watch the way Zfarls and Sgibbs play the game.Its very dissapointing to see 99% of the top gamers use glitches and exploits or totally unrealistic strategy!

[howboutdat]

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Sorry OP, but theres one key thing about this idea that makes it a total roadblock and i dont ever see EA bringing . The reason, giving us more options.Seems to be the opposite of what they strive to do really. I really like the ideas you have . With them focusing CFM on trying to bring in the casuals , to me giving options is more important than ever. I dont mind if they want to cater to casuals to get them to play cfm IF i as commish have options to turn off the stuff they use to appeal to casuals that our league doesnt want to use or see. Same should work for the casuals as well , give players options to play the game how they prefer. Again though , that requires options, which we probably wont ever see this generation.

[RACZILLA]

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I think with ideas like FairPlay, the heart is in the right place.

Unfortunately, with football, I don't think there's a one size fits all approach to this kind of stuff. So many different contextual decisions need to be made during the course of a football game, one decision to go for it on 4th is entirely different from another decision to go for it on 4th.

Sim is such a subjective term it's hard to have one hard set rule for every aspect that everyone will agree with. I've seen an NFL team lint the ball up by 3 with 3 minutes left in the game in their opponents 32 yard line, and I've seen teams go for it in that situation as well. It's tough.

That's my issue with it as well. I do like the notion of encouraging people to play in a way that's consistent with reality as opposed to exploiting the game to the point where it doesn't resemble football.

At the same time, the past implementation of Fair Play breaks the rules of football. Limiting someone to the point where they can't make the same decisions an NFL coach can doesn't make me feel like it's closer to a simulation. There's got to be a better way to incentivize giving opponents a good experience.

Fair Play wouldn't stop me from playing or enjoying Madden. I just don't know that it truly solves the problem.

[Branchurian]

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I remember in 2K and All Pro it was a spectacular feat to be able to convert a 4th down. Literally had to put all of yourself in the play to be succesful, if you kept going down the field like an idiot eventually your luck would run out and cost you big time! Ppl were encourage to punt because in that game field position was so integral. The AI in that game was much better too, your teammates played as well as you did (or bad, depended on your skills) and wouldn't fall for all the stupid **** madden AI teammates constantly fall for. When I had Madden 15, ppl march down the field playing 4 down ball and kicked onsides like thats what they see on sundays. They have to make their gameplay better and their AI football competent to see a change. I expect 16 to be the same mockery as it's predecessors.