Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

[D81SKINS]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

If they bring me in to do their ratings, one of the first things I would do is suggest to do away with the overall rating. Let the users "scout" their team like real GMs and coaches do based upon the TRAITS and PRODUCTION of their players. If you have a WR who has 1500 yards and 10 TDs a season, who cares if he is only a 61 OVR right? Start that guy based on what allowed him to produce, not his overall rating! Common sense here!

That would definitely help with the sim factor but how many casual would cry about not seeing it.
Maybe make it an option and it hides the overall. For those that don't want it hidden, turn the option off.

Overall rating: On/off setting

[bucky60]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

That would definitely help with the sim factor but how many casual would cry about not seeing it.
Maybe make it an option and it hides the overall. For those that don't want it hidden, turn the option off.

Overall rating: On/off setting

I realize you guys are just talking about overall, but I would also like to have each rating/attribute (actual values) hidden, with the combination of your scouting staff, GM, and coaching staffs (ability to evaluate) give a perceived value of these ratings/attributes. Whether it's a range, letter grade or whatever. Even including overall.

Plus EA/Tib would have to do something about CPU teams and how they look at a players value and ratings. CPU and Human info should somehow be comparable.

[Rabid_Beaver]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Sweet. He was a waste of space and had zero clue how to rate players realistically

[crenk]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I realize you guys are just talking about overall, but I would also like to have each rating/attribute (actual values) hidden, with the combination of your scouting staff, GM, and coaching staffs (ability to evaluate) give a perceived value of these ratings/attributes. Whether it's a range, letter grade or whatever. Even including overall.

Plus EA/Tib would have to do something about CPU teams and how they look at a players value and ratings. CPU and Human info should somehow be comparable.

Ive personally felt this way for a long time. We dont look at Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and say oh this ig a 98 but he is only a 96 so one is clearly better the the other. We debate based on perception and statistics. This is what is needed to bring that element of realism to Madden and perhaps make it a little harder to just go after the top guy in each position to stack your team. Its one of the reasons why myself and others have house rules to prevent oneself from just targeting the top guys in FA.

EA woud have to improve the scouting system but base it on the concept of the better the scout the more reliable their impressions of the player...obviously stats are stats but the good scouts give more accurate assessments of the players skills and traits.

[Rabid_Beaver]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Just let me edit ratings for ANY player at ANY time to where I want them.

Problem .... SOLVED.

My edited roster on 15 only had 3 players ranked 99....

14 rated 95-98

10 rated 90-94

The NFL average joe was rated 62-68....

A very good player was around 80-85

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Don't the overalls heavily influence what goes on in CFM such as salary demands, trade value, free agency, player development?

It's already wonky now but I can just imagine how completely broken it would be with this drastic a change. I'm no expert but the re-writing of the code would have to be substantial, I would think, to re-weigh everything to traits -- the same trait system that I still don't think is totally fleshed out. I just don't see EA even putting that on the table

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

How is compromising a system that works, with years of research placed into it, benefiting Madden if they don't use it the way it is supposed to be used?

If theres a compromise, it doesn't have to be in a way that destroys your system. You could delegate responsibilities, supplement similar formulas for the sake of cohesion etc. If you feel your process benefits the game, finding a compromise YOU can live with prior to a meeting isn't a far-fetched idea.

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I guess this means Odell Beckham Jr will not be rated 99 overall?

[SolidSquid]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I guess this means Odell Beckham Jr will not be rated 99 overall?

Or the new rating system will go up to 150..

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

If they bring me in to do their ratings, one of the first things I would do is suggest to do away with the overall rating. Let the users "scout" their team like real GMs and coaches do based upon the TRAITS and PRODUCTION of their players. If you have a WR who has 1500 yards and 10 TDs a season, who cares if he is only a 61 OVR right? Start that guy based on what allowed him to produce, not his overall rating! Common sense here!

Yeah, you are not getting the job.

I never really had a problem with Donny's ratings. My problems were with the gameplay side of it. Donny rated players within a system, I don't think he designed the mechanics of the system though. He is a football guy, not a programmer.

If we want changes to the ratings system, the core gameplay mechanics would need a overhaul as well.

I think Donny did about as well as one could hope for in the circumstances.

[StefJoeHalt]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Don't the overalls heavily influence what goes on in CFM such as salary demands, trade value, free agency, player development?



It's already wonky now but I can just imagine how completely broken it would be with this drastic a change. I'm no expert but the re-writing of the code would have to be substantial, I would think, to re-weigh everything to traits -- the same trait system that I still don't think is totally fleshed out. I just don't see EA even putting that on the table

Senator..I want to do away with overall..but I think "hiding" it would do..they can keep overall in the game but in the background..when u posted made me realize ur point..but fair half way point is keep it in the background


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[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Yeah, you are not getting the job.

I never really had a problem with Donny's ratings. My problems were with the gameplay side of it. Donny rated players within a system, I don't think he designed the mechanics of the system though. He is a football guy, not a programmer.

If we want changes to the ratings system, the core gameplay mechanics would need a overhaul as well.

I think Donny did about as well as one could hope for in the circumstances.

And your qualifications are?

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

And your qualifications are?

None.

Sorry if it offends you or causes you to get defensive, but my guess is that if he tells EA that the first thing he would do is get rid of the overall, they probably will not hire him.

Sorry you don't like it, but it goes against their design vision.

Also I personally would not hire him because of this:
"FBG Ratings is a one man show"
"Let the users "scout" their team like real GMs and coaches do based upon the TRAITS and PRODUCTION of their players."

My perspective is that on one hand he is saying my way or not at all, i.e. he does the ratings as he sees fit and will not alter his system to accommodate marketing or whoever. Sure that is fine.
But he then steps outside of ratings and suggests that the CFM guys do their thing differently.

So he is not keen on people giving him outside input but he is already doing that himself?

Look it is nothing against him or the ratings, but if I was EA I would not be too eager to hire him. ( I personally feel that the changes he suggests are good ones, but it is not about my opinion. Try to put yourself into EA's shoes)

[kehlis]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

And your qualifications are?

If he gives them the prerequisite that they won't hire him if he will remove overalls he will not get the job.

Don't need any qualifications to know that.

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

None.

Sorry if it offends you or causes you to get defensive, but my guess is that if he tells EA that the first thing he would do is get rid of the overall, they probably will not hire him.

Sorry you don't like it, but it goes against their design vision.

Also I personally would not hire him because of this:
"FBG Ratings is a one man show"
"Let the users "scout" their team like real GMs and coaches do based upon the TRAITS and PRODUCTION of their players."

My perspective is that on one hand he is saying my way or not at all, i.e. he does the ratings as he sees fit and will not alter his system to accommodate marketing or whoever. Sure that is fine.
But he then steps outside of ratings and suggests that the CFM guys do their thing differently.

So he is not keen on people giving him outside input but he is already doing that himself?

Look it is nothing against him or the ratings, but if I was EA I would not be too eager to hire him. ( I personally feel that the changes he suggests are good ones, but it is not about my opinion. Try to put yourself into EA's shoes)

Why would I be offended? You weren't talking to me; I just wanted to know your qualifications because your reply seemed to suggest you had some sort of EA insight...

Sounds like you're offended by Dan..