Madden NFL 16 Player Ratings - Top 5 Tight Ends

[VdaStampede]

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I don't make the argument. The scouts do. I just interpolate the data. Keep in mind the injury holds when you do this. Be sure to read the FAQ page on the website.

but scouts aren't scouting for a video game. So I don't believe you can just shoehorn in their findings into Madden.

I'd be interested to see production numbers based on your ratings for a season. I have hard time believing Gronk would put up typical numbers based on that rating

[jshake8]

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Stop trying to be arrogant, thats why I wrote comprimise. If you honestly dont see the flaw in your system that has Marshall Rated higher than Gronk, then you cant accept criticism.

The ratings are there to differentiate between their NFL ranking. Whatever your data says, how can you sit there and say that Marshall is a better football player than Gronkowski.

I think this guy is just extremely defensive of his work. I have to question his football IQ now though.

[DCEBB2001]

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Stop trying to be arrogant, thats why I wrote comprimise. If you honestly dont see the flaw in your system that has Marshall Rated higher than Gronk, then you cant accept criticism.

The ratings are there to differentiate between their NFL ranking. Whatever your data says, how can you sit there and say that Marshall is a better football player than Gronkowski.

I can say it because I don't place my own bias into it and go strictly off of the data. THAT in itself gives me the right to be fair and objective. I have eliminated as many flaws as me and my team can think of by making everything data driven.

Based on the data, I am sitting here and saying that today, Brandon Marshall is a better overall player. Until the data says otherwise, I will stand by it.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

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No Bennett love ?

[Wildcats302]

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I can say it because I don't place my own bias into it and go strictly off of the data. THAT in itself gives me the right to be fair and objective. I have eliminated as many flaws as me and my team can think of by making everything data driven.

Based on the data, I am sitting here and saying that today, Brandon Marshall is a better overall player. Until the data says otherwise, I will stand by it.

And this is why going simply off data is 100% the wrong way to do it. You have to factor in the obvious common sense at times, and the eye test. Honestly your ratings are much more realistic, and a better way of doing it than Madden, but clearly its not close to being perfect either.

[DCEBB2001]

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And this is why going simply off data is 100% the wrong way to do it. You have to factor in the obvious common sense at times, and the eye test. Honestly your ratings are much more realistic, and a better way of doing it than Madden, but clearly its not close to being perfect either.

I trust the scouts' eyes more than my own.

[michapop9]

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And this is why going simply off data is 100% the wrong way to do it. You have to factor in the obvious common sense at times, and the eye test. Honestly your ratings are much more realistic, and a better way of doing it than Madden, but clearly its not close to being perfect either.

So whats your suggestion? The way he does it is better than anything thats come out. How would you improve it based on something other than opinion? Bring criticism with a solution.

[Datninja619]

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Play nice guys....



I can't wait to turn L Green into a monster in my Chargers franchise. Should be one of the faster TEs! This got me excited.

[jshake8]

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I can say it because I don't place my own bias into it and go strictly off of the data. THAT in itself gives me the right to be fair and objective. I have eliminated as many flaws as me and my team can think of by making everything data driven.

Based on the data, I am sitting here and saying that today, Brandon Marshall is a better overall player. Until the data says otherwise, I will stand by it.

If you're going to have anything to do with this video game in the future, I sincerely hope you don't believe this.

Do you really not see the flaw in "making everything data driven"? We're talking about the sport with the most moving parts and variables in the world. Each player is impacted by the other 21 players on the field. The ultimate test is the eyeball, and any scout would tell you that. So if you can't even explain your ratings with anything more than data, they shouldn't be taken seriously.

Well, you're clearly just ignoring me now. I tried to understand your system at first so that I could support it, and now I'm trying to offer some constructive criticism and you're just being short and rude. I love your ideas about how to separate the weak, from the average, from the great, but you're actual ratings simply don't match what happens on the field. If you want to take your ideas to the next level, and have them used by "professionals" you should be able to stand by them and explain them without getting defensive.

I officially won't be signing your petition, and will be hoping someone with a bit more football knowledge takes some of the great idea's you seem unwilling improve upon, and does just that.

[BreakingBad2013]

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Of course it matters its part of visual appeal. Why do you think marketing plays a part in affecting player ratings? If a fan sees that Gronkowski is rated an 82, they will obviously criticize the game.

Nobody wants too see their favorite player rated low.

Not every player is a hardcore madden player like on this forum. There has to be a compromise.

But if Gronk is the highest rated TE in the game, at 82, and the bottom of the top 5 is a 68... He's not rated low. Lol. Plus, the community conforms to the game, not the other way around.

If Madden reimagined ratings, and followed the same fbg rating for the next 10 years, it would be forgotten.

Well what if my favorite player is Terrell Pryor, we should bump him 20 overall to make him appeal to me more? Again, causals aren't gawking to find overalls. They grab the game because football sounds fun, not because Big Ben is a 94 overall or whatever.

Again, don't market the ratings, market the games

[DCEBB2001]

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If you're going to have anything to do with this video game in the future, I sincerely hope you don't believe this.

Do you really not see the flaw in "making everything data driven"? We're talking about the sport with the most moving parts and variables in the world. Each player is impacted by the other 21 players on the field. The ultimate test is the eyeball, and any scout would tell you that. So if you can't even explain your ratings with anything more than data, they shouldn't be taken seriously.

Well, you're clearly just ignoring me now. I tried to understand your system at first so that I could support it, and now I'm trying to offer some constructive criticism and you're just being short and rude. I love your ideas about how to separate the weak, from the average, from the great, but you're actual ratings simply don't match what happens on the field. If you want to take your ideas to the next level, and have them used by "professionals" you should be able to stand by them and explain them without getting defensive.

I'm not getting defensive about anything. You clearly are not listening. The scouts make the grades. They make the data. If they say that on the overall scale Gronk < Marshall (by a fraction of the scale...I mean, we are talking about one point here), then I have to abide by it. I am not using simple stats or PFF or anything like that. I am using REAL DATA that is used by a REAL NFL FRONT OFFICE.

How on earth can I question that?

At this point, it is what it is, and if you don't like it, don't use them.

[VdaStampede]

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Based on the data, I am sitting here and saying that today, Brandon Marshall is a better overall player. Until the data says otherwise, I will stand by it.

Which is absurd to anyone who watches football. The problem is football is not baseball the entire sport can't be summed up by stats and metrics.

Scouts have great info to share no doubt, but they don't determine who plays or sits or who makes the team and who doesn't.

[jblanch32]

I mean, Gronk had a better season than Marshall in almost every category.. (Including per game statistics)

[DCEBB2001]

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I mean, Gronk had a better season than Marshall in almost every category.. (Including per game statistics)

Statistics alone, a player, does not make.

[DCEBB2001]

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Which is absurd to anyone who watches football. The problem is football is not baseball the entire sport can't be summed up by stats and metrics.

Scouts have great info to share no doubt, but they don't determine who plays or sits or who makes the team and who doesn't.

Nor do they tell GMs who to draft.

Like in 2007 when the scouts that provide the data to my site had JaMarcus Russell rated a 4.98 the day before the draft. That's barely a 4th round grade.

Don't blame the scouts for GM/owner miscues. It is rare the scouts ever get to pull the trigger. All they do is observe and report.

Don't kill the messengers.