Hulk Hogan Has Been Fired From the WWE and Will Not Appear in WWE 2K16

[aholbert32]

Re: Hulk Hogan Has Been Fired From the WWE and Will Not Appear in WWE 2K16

You can justify it anyway you want, they were all public figures who lost their jobs because of DUI's. You asked me to name one, I named three. I could name a lot more too.

I said name one that lost their jobs solely because of a DUI. You named Bernard Pierce, a backup running back for the Ravens. If thats the best you can come up with than I rest my case.

[aholbert32]

Re: Hulk Hogan Has Been Fired From the WWE and Will Not Appear in WWE 2K16

This is one of those topics we all have different views and backgrounds on. We will probably never see eye to eye on this subject so its probably best for most of us to move on before this goes down a path we cant come back from.

Just for the record though I have never defended Hogan. He got what he deserved.

Nah, that wont happen to me. I can debate things without getting upset or violating the TOS. I think the argument you are trying to make is bogus and I'm telling you why using reasoned thought. If you cant handle that and respond without violating the TOS....thats your problem.

[vtcrb]

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If the news about Stone Cold's domestic violence arrest wouldve stayed hidden and been released in 2015, the WWE and 2k wouldve likely pulled him off the cover of the game if not more. The news came out in 2004 so thats the difference.

11 years from now its possible that Hogan will be forgiven and back in the good graces of the WWE but right now under WWE's public morals policy....he's gone and rightfully so.

Also, I'm sick of the strawman arguments. No one is arguing that physically assaulting someone is the same as saying racial slurs. What we are saying is that to ignore when these incidents occurred (not when the statements were made but when the public found out about them) and the environment when they occurred is idiotic.

20 years ago, Hogan couldve called a wrestler a ****** or another gay slur and no one wouldve blinked an eye. Now, that gets you fired. Different times.

No I've read through your comments plenty, you're basically telling us that they should do nothing to Hogan because they haven't done anything to Austin.

Explain to me how it would be beneficial to WWE to suddenly fire Austin now in order to "justify" firing Hogan now for the black eye he's currently putting on the company? As aholbert has already said, if we didn't know about what Austin did back then and it just came to light today, Austin would be gone as well. The climate of the world is different than what it was in 2004, you know when we all found out about the Austin thing.

Unfortunately for Hogan, even though he said what he said back in 2006 on the tape it's come to light in the here and now where nobody gives a **** when he said it but the fact is he said it and with the way it was said and what was said it's clear it wasn't just some passing moment of anger.

If you want to bust WWE for hypocrisy, then I'd look at how they handle these kind of cases moving forward. They fired Daniel Bryan for choking a guy with a ****ing neck tie for 45 seconds after The Rock scrambled Mick Foley's brains with a steel chair for 25 minutes back in 1998. Why is that? Because the standards of the company changed in that time and the circumstances of the world around them changed as well deeming that sort of thing unacceptable. I guess it's time to dig up that video and ban Dwayne from the company forever to avoid being hypocrites?

Maybe the Climate is Different for You, AHolbert and others, But Not for Me. Domestic Violence is wrong no mater the time it happened. I like how you guys like to Justify our Comments as Wrong/Ignorant because of the "Time Frame" they happened.

Maybe you should Poll victims of Domestic Violence and ask them IF the year they were assaulted makes a difference? Ask them if they have an issue with Stone Cold being fired for what he did in 2004?


Bottom Line for me, no matter WHEN it happens, if it is Wrong it is Wrong. And keeping Athletes/Entertainers/Famous People on Pedestals for their Transgressions is Wrong. whether it is in the Past or Present.

Don't Criticize One guy and Not others because things just came to light in a different time frame.

[aholbert32]

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Public figures DONT lose their jobs, because it is OK for them to do things like this. We are talking about everyday normal people who work to put food on the table and a roof over their head. America thinks it is fine for a Celebrity, Politician or an Athlete to commit crimes, because they are Famous and Have Money. DUIs are Bad and just because a Public Figure doesnt Injure or Kill someone Doesnt make it a LESS Serious Crime. As any family who has lost someone from being killed by a Drunk Driver.

As I have stated if you are going to Punish one for Past Issues, punish them all. Did WWE have a Policy in 2006 that stated what Hogan did was Automatic Termination? As it was brought up that the Domestic Abuse Policy wasnt in place in 2004 for Stone Cold. For me it Doesnt matter if there is a Policy for either, BOTH are WRONG. And BOTH should be punished.

Let me ask you guys this IF Hogan was Still an In Ring Performer OR had a Podcast and was on Cover of WWE 2k16, Would WWE fire him? I think we all know the Answer to this question.

I'm a lawyer and I've never heard of one lawyer, doctor or other professional who has lost a job solely because of a single DUI where no one was injured or killed. I've seen it happen to teachers (because they are held to a higher standard because of their relation to kids). Ive seen it happen to people who have jobs that requiring driving because the DUI can affect their right to drive.

Again, it doesnt matter that Hogan made the statement in 2006. The statements came out in 2015.

If Hogan was an in-ring performer in 2015, he wouldve been fired just the same. Why?

1) WWE is a publicly traded company and cant be seen as promoting a racist as its biggest star.

2) WWE has no competition at this point and losing Hogan wouldnt boost another promotion enough to be a true rival.

3) If Hogan was on the cover of WWE2k16, they would immediately switch the cover. We are over 2 months away from release and they can easily swap out a new cover.

[aholbert32]

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Maybe the Climate is Different for You, AHolbert and others, But Not for Me. Domestic Violence is wrong no mater the time it happened. I like how you guys like to Justify our Comments as Wrong/Ignorant because of the "Time Frame" they happened.

Maybe you should Poll victims of Domestic Violence and ask them IF the year they were assaulted makes a difference? Ask them if they have an issue with Stone Cold being fired for what he did in 2004?


Bottom Line for me, no matter WHEN it happens, if it is Wrong it is Wrong. And keeping Athletes/Entertainers/Famous People on Pedestals for their Transgressions is Wrong. whether it is in the Past or Present.

Don't Criticize One guy and Not others because things just came to light in a different time frame.

What the hell are you talking about?

Who said domestic violence wasnt wrong? No one. You are arguing against a point no one is making.

Back in 2004, Stone Cold shouldve been suspended or fired for his DV arrest. He wasnt and thats wrong. But if WWE wants to put him on the cover of a game 11 years later after he's served his time and kept his nose clean for 11 yrs...I dont have a problem with it.

If these Hogan comments wouldve been released in 2006 and the backlash occurred back in 2006, I probably wouldnt have an issue with Hogan being hired back by WWE. 9 yrs wouldve passed. Maybe I would still have an issue with those comments, who knows.

The fact is we didnt hear about those comments 9 years ago. We heard about them last week. The sex tape leaked years ago. Hogan has known about the comments on those tapes for years. Instead of getting ahead of the story, admitting what was said, apologizing for it and saying that he was in a bad space...he used his lawyers in an attempt to stop the court/Gawker from releasing the full comments.

[vtcrb]

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I'm a lawyer and I've never heard of one lawyer, doctor or other professional who has lost a job solely because of a single DUI where no one was injured or killed. I've seen it happen to teachers (because they are held to a higher standard because of their relation to kids). Ive seen it happen to people who have jobs that requiring driving because the DUI can affect their right to drive.

Again, it doesnt matter that Hogan made the statement in 2006. The statements came out in 2015.

If Hogan was an in-ring performer in 2015, he wouldve been fired just the same. Why?

1) WWE is a publicly traded company and cant be seen as promoting a racist as its biggest star.

2) WWE has no competition at this point and losing Hogan wouldnt boost another promotion enough to be a true rival.

3) If Hogan was on the cover of WWE2k16, they would immediately switch the cover. We are over 2 months away from release and they can easily swap out a new cover.

Yes any job where the ability to drive is required would be terminated.

Now i disagree IF Hogan were still in his Prime in 2015, He would not Lose his Job. It would be like WWE firing John Cena. He is the closest to what Hogan was in his Prime. I think Hogan would Lose the Belt and have an "INJURY" angle play out for 6 months or so.

The Firing is because Yes Hogan still brings in some $$ thru merchandise, But he doesnt bring in enough to Justify keeping him around with all the Negative Publicity. Lets be honest IF Hogan had another title Run in him, he would have been Suspended.

[Hassan Darkside]

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Yes any job where the ability to drive is required would be terminated.

Now i disagree IF Hogan were still in his Prime in 2015, He would not Lose his Job. It would be like WWE firing John Cena. He is the closest to what Hogan was in his Prime. I think Hogan would Lose the Belt and have an "INJURY" angle play out for 6 months or so.

The Firing is because Yes Hogan still brings in some $$ thru merchandise, But he doesnt bring in enough to Justify keeping him around with all the Negative Publicity. Lets be honest IF Hogan had another title Run in him, he would have been Suspended.

You can't say that for sure. Maybe in your hypothetical world that's how it would work.

But let me get out of aholbert's kitchen and let the chef cook.

[vtcrb]

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What the hell are you talking about?

Who said domestic violence wasnt wrong? No one. You are arguing against a point no one is making.

Back in 2004, Stone Cold shouldve been suspended or fired for his DV arrest. He wasnt and thats wrong. But if WWE wants to put him on the cover of a game 11 years later after he's served his time and kept his nose clean for 11 yrs...I dont have a problem with it.

If these Hogan comments wouldve been released in 2006 and the backlash occurred back in 2006, I probably wouldnt have an issue with Hogan being hired back by WWE. 9 yrs wouldve passed. Maybe I would still have an issue with those comments, who knows.

The fact is we didnt hear about those comments 9 years ago. We heard about them last week. The sex tape leaked years ago. Hogan has known about the comments on those tapes for years. Instead of getting ahead of the story, admitting what was said, apologizing for it and saying that he was in a bad space...he used his lawyers in an attempt to stop the court/Gawker from releasing the full comments.

How is hearing about it 9 years ago ANY different than hearing about it last week? It would have been more acceptable 9 years ago? See that is what i dont get about all of the Back and forth on this thread. It seems like some are MORE acceptable if they "Heard" about it years ago, Instead of when it Actually Happened.

What I am saying is If you can Accept it Happening 9 years ago Or 11 Years Ago(Stone Cold), why cant you accept it today? I have the SAME views I had 9 or 11 Years ago as I have today.

[King_B_Mack]

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Yes any job where the ability to drive is required would be terminated.

Now i disagree IF Hogan were still in his Prime in 2015, He would not Lose his Job. It would be like WWE firing John Cena. He is the closest to what Hogan was in his Prime. I think Hogan would Lose the Belt and have an "INJURY" angle play out for 6 months or so.

The Firing is because Yes Hogan still brings in some $$ thru merchandise, But he doesnt bring in enough to Justify keeping him around with all the Negative Publicity. Lets be honest IF Hogan had another title Run in him, he would have been Suspended.

What does that have to do with anything in the first place? What is your overall point here? You keep saying you felt Hogan should have been fired for this and yet you're still arguing and making a stink over......I have no clue. What's the point? Who cares what would or wouldn't happen if Hogan was an active wrestler, he isn't, so it's irrelevant. WWE backed Chris Benoit before all the details came out surrounding his death and they got absolutely massacred for "celebrating a murderer" they got out in front of the Hogan issue and fired him. Maybe that's the big difference here. Doesn't really matter, Hogan got what he deserved and has nobody to blame but himself.

[vtcrb]

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What does that have to do with anything in the first place? What is your overall point here? You keep saying you felt Hogan should have been fired for this and yet you're still arguing and making a stink over......I have no clue. What's the point? Who cares what would or wouldn't happen if Hogan was an active wrestler, he isn't, so it's irrelevant. WWE backed Chris Benoit before all the details came out surrounding his death and they got absolutely massacred for "celebrating a murderer" they got out in front of the Hogan issue and fired him. Maybe that's the big difference here. Doesn't really matter, Hogan got what he deserved and has nobody to blame but himself.

Really? It is funny how on OS nowadays, it is not allowed to express your Opinion Or Viewpoints, IF others dont agree. Others get scared to respond but I am not one of those people.

I hadn't QUOTED anyone Until people started responding to me. Anyone who reads thru the thread, can see how my comments came about. If you dont agree with them, i dont care. I stand behind all of my comments.

If you think their is NO difference in Relevance between when things Happen and when they are revealed, then you agree with Me.

If you think the timing of when Information is released is More important, then you Disagree with me.

It is as simple as that. I thought OS was a place to get on a thread and discuss matters and have healthy debates back and forth.

[aholbert32]

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How is hearing about it 9 years ago ANY different than hearing about it last week? It would have been more acceptable 9 years ago? See that is what i dont get about all of the Back and forth on this thread. It seems like some are MORE acceptable if they "Heard" about it years ago, Instead of when it Actually Happened.

What I am saying is If you can Accept it Happening 9 years ago Or 11 Years Ago(Stone Cold), why cant you accept it today? I have the SAME views I had 9 or 11 Years ago as I have today.

Its different because 9 yrs wouldve passed and he wouldve faced punishment for it 9 yrs ago. Hogan wouldve had 9 yrs of consequences from his statement.

Stone Cold faced his punishment. It was a light one but he plead out, did his probation and his community service. Since then he hasnt had an issue in 11 years.

Also, if you think that how people look at domestic violence hasnt changed, I dont know what else to say.

4 yrs go, Erik Walden of the Packers was convicted of DV and was suspended by the NFL for 1 game. Branden Underwood was convicted and served 2 games. Seattle's Leroy Hill didnt even get suspended after a conviction.

That all changed after the Rice tape. It went from people being OK with 2-4 games to wanting people fired for domestic violence arrests. Ive never seen it differently but most people do.

Thats why 11 yrs ago matters. In 2004, no one batted an eye when they heard that Stone Cold beat his wife. They let the justice system run its course and there were no calls from fans that he should be suspended much less fired.

Now, the punishment for DV is seen different and WWE has a zero tolerance policy that means youre fired if you get convicted. Its a different time.

[aholbert32]

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Really? It is funny how on OS nowadays, it is not allowed to express your Opinion Or Viewpoints, IF others dont agree. Others get scared to respond but I am not one of those people.

I hadn't QUOTED anyone Until people started responding to me. Anyone who reads thru the thread, can see how my comments came about. If you dont agree with them, i dont care. I stand behind all of my comments.

If you think their is NO difference in Relevance between when things Happen and when they are revealed, then you agree with Me.

If you think the timing of when Information is released is More important, then you Disagree with me.

It is as simple as that. I thought OS was a place to get on a thread and discuss matters and have healthy debates back and forth.

Dont get defensive. He was just asking a question that I had too. I had no idea what your point was until I read the above (bolded).

Now I think your point is short sighted and wrong but no one is stopping you from making it.

[vtcrb]

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Dont get defensive. He was just asking a question that I had too. I had no idea what your point was until I read the above (bolded).

Now I think your point is short sighted and wrong but no one is stopping you from making it.

Wow, sorry you had No idea what i was saying, next time i will make an opening statement. Hahaha. Lawyer reference. LOL

You are entitled to your opinion on my opinion. LOL

I just dont change my views on thing depending on the Year information is released. It would be like me saying, "Well Charles Manson committed his crimes so many years ago, it isnt as relevant now". For me, doing something wrong has no time frame on when the Info is released.

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[King_B_Mack]

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Wow, sorry you had No idea what i was saying, next time i will make an opening statement. Hahaha. Lawyer reference. LOL

You are entitled to your opinion on my opinion. LOL

I just dont change my views on thing depending on the Year information is released. It would be like me saying, "Well Charles Manson committed his crimes so many years ago, it isnt as relevant now". For me, doing something wrong has no time frame on when the Info is released.

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It's really not a matter of someone changing their views on this though. You're talking about your personal views on a matter which is great, WWE is a business though, they're going to operate by standards different than yours and mine and that's basically how I'm looking at this. You're basically calling for them to go back here now in 2015 and punish Austin for something he did back in 2004 even though they have no real legit reason to do so. That'd be like the NBA/Lakers going back tomorrow and punishing Kobe for Colorado because Ryan Kelly got busted going on a racist tirade tonight and they want to punish him. If they didn't do anything to Austin when they were made aware of his actions back when it happened, then they can't come back a decade later looking to dish out a punishment for it without any sort of provocation for that action. Now if Austin punched a girlfriend in the face two weeks ago, with his history that's grounds for immediate dismissal. But that hasn't happened, he's kept his nose clean and more importantly, kept his hands to himself.

A lot has happened in the world since 2004 when Austin did what he did. Chris Benoit happened putting everything the company does or doesn't do with respect to the behavior of their performers under a much bigger microscope. Linda's political career and WWE's turn to clean up their image has certainly affected how they react to things like this and certainly the fact that Vince has stockholders to answer to now and sponsors as well. There's a demo of minority viewers that doing nothing to Hogan wouldn't sit well with. Plus, I would imagine that there's probably a little anger there that Hogan allowed this to blindside Vince and leave him with little choice in how to handle it. He knew what was on that tape, he knew what he said. He could have told Vince about it a long time ago, they could quietly part ways and let Hogan deal with this thing and eventually be brought back once things kind of died down, but instead he put the company in a tough spot.

[Smooth Pancakes]

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Its different because 9 yrs wouldve passed and he wouldve faced punishment for it 9 yrs ago. Hogan wouldve had 9 yrs of consequences from his statement.

Stone Cold faced his punishment. It was a light one but he plead out, did his probation and his community service. Since then he hasnt had an issue in 11 years.

Also, if you think that how people look at domestic violence hasnt changed, I dont know what else to say.

4 yrs go, Erik Walden of the Packers was convicted of DV and was suspended by the NFL for 1 game. Branden Underwood was convicted and served 2 games. Seattle's Leroy Hill didnt even get suspended after a conviction.

That all changed after the Rice tape. It went from people being OK with 2-4 games to wanting people fired for domestic violence arrests. Ive never seen it differently but most people do.

Thats why 11 yrs ago matters. In 2004, no one batted an eye when they heard that Stone Cold beat his wife. They let the justice system run its course and there were no calls from fans that he should be suspended much less fired.

Now, the punishment for DV is seen different and WWE has a zero tolerance policy that means youre fired if you get convicted. Its a different time.

That's the big thing for me. Stone Cold owned up to what he did and faced the justice system like a man, he did his time in probation after pleading out and kept clean since.

Regardless of what some want to think, yes, time does change things. Back in 2004, nobody blinked an eye at domestic violence, as you showed with the NFL examples. Domestic violence didn't get thrown into the public light and become an instant fire crime until the Rice video surfaced and now almost every company on Earth is zero tolerance with domestic violence.

Was WWE wrong to not at least suspend Stone Cold back in 2004? Yes, but he did his time and has moved on. To punish him now by firing him for it would be the same as any company going and firing someone with a DV conviction on their record from 1985 just because DV is a zero tolerance crime now. They faced the legal music already and the fans have chosen to either forgive Stone Cold or just ignore his past crime over these past 11 years.

Hogan is different. Again, despite what some want to believe, just because the tape was recorded and the comments said in 2006 has absolutely zero meaning. They could have been said in 1960 for all anyone cares, but they came into the public light now, in 2015, when comments like those are a career death penalty. Hell, just look at Paula Dean. She admitted to using the word back in 1986 (and was accused of using it still as recently as 2007) and was instantly kicked to the curb by Food Network and her sponsors just for simply admitting she had used it in the past. Hogan is on tape actually SAYING it, repeatedly, and worse.

Aholbert also makes the point that if this had come out back in 2006 and Hogan had just admitted to it, told story, admitted to being in a bad place when he said it, things might be different now, 9 years later. Instead he and his lawyers went full all out to try and HIDE that entire conversation and keep what he said from ever coming to light with his $100 million lawsuit. He didn't just admit to it and own up to it (like Stone Cold did with his DV), he tried his damnedest to hide it and sweep it under the rug and never let the public find out about it by filing $100 million lawsuits and trying to get the courts to seal it up.

That also separates Stone Cold (faced the music for what he did back at the time it happened) and Hogan (tried to intentionally hide the tape and keep what he said from ever coming to light for over 9 years via lawyers and lawsuits rather than facing the music himself back in 2006) in regards to this whole debate.