Madden in a positive light.

[steeldee7]

Alot of people are not into the EA Madden brand anymore and some are. I am longtime Madden player. Some years I've been upset with the product released And sometimes I was really happy. That being said is Madden Sim football really that terrible and unplayable. We who love the NFL complain about refs and players and coaching and rules for the real product, How can we expect perfection from a virtual replication? Just my rosey outlook.

[Toupal]

Re: Madden in a positive light.

We who love the NFL complain about refs and players and coaching and rules for the real product, How can we expect perfection from a virtual replication?

I don't see what you are getting at. Three out of those four things you mentioned involve the human element, something that has nothing to do with a video game.

If you're saying we should be unhappy with the video game, because things like the Tuck Rule happened, then I am still lost.

Not getting custom draft classes or the ability to play CPU vs CPU in CFM has nothing to do with the Fail Mary.

However, if EA implemented terrible calls, bad coaching decisions, and players getting suspended, then yes, I would see where you are coming from.

[steeldee7]

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I don't see what you are getting at. Three out of those four things you mentioned involve the human element, something that has nothing to do with a video game.

What I'm Saying is that Madden football is made by Humans so the human element is in there because humans are creating a product based off of human play. Football is by and large the hardest game to replicate because of the different components that go into a play every down. each play should play out differently. to allow for that variance you are going to have glitches. Sometimes things happen that you cant explain. Now to complain about lack of gameplay features is something I totally agree with and understand.

[T5063]

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Ok, so what does the fact that every single QB makes 80% of his passed while getting sacked 12 a game have to do with it?

[SolidSquid]

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I don't see what you are getting at. Three out of those four things you mentioned involve the human element, something that has nothing to do with a video game.

What I'm Saying is that Madden football is made by Humans so the human element is in there because humans are creating a product based off of human play. Football is by and large the hardest game to replicate because of the different components that go into a play every down. each play should play out differently. to allow for that variance you are going to have glitches. Sometimes things happen that you cant explain. Now to complain about lack of gameplay features is something I totally agree with and understand.

So you're saying the human element is poor code and legacy issues, that lead to poor gameplay?

[steeldee7]

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So you're saying the human element is poor code and legacy issues, that lead to poor game play?


Yes and sometimes we expect things without understanding what it would take to implicate or rectify poor game play. I for one have been upset with EA a lot,
But I understand their development cycle is Short. All in all the games aren't terrible, lacking in some areas but not god awful. At least to me they aren't.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

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So you're saying the human element is poor code and legacy issues, that lead to poor game play?


Yes and sometimes we expect things without understanding what it would take to implicate or rectify poor game play. I for one have been upset with EA a lot,
But I understand their development cycle is Short. All in all the games aren't terrible, lacking in some areas but not god awful. At least to me they aren't.

Meanwhile, EA has unquestionably improved things before, which to me indicates that expecting and asking for more realism is utterly reasonable. As I said, they have ALREADY improved on the realism of the game. Why can't they improve it more?

[deaduck]

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Meanwhile, EA has unquestionably improved things before, which to me indicates that expecting and asking for more realism is utterly reasonable. As I said, they have ALREADY improved on the realism of the game. Why can't they improve it more?

I think the thing to consider is...We should not assume that because the game isn't "perfect" that the reasons for it are malice or ineptitude on EA's part.

It's just wonky to think that EA is making a game designed to alienate potential customers...that can't be the case. The reason's why certain modes or features aren't in the game might not always be clear but I wish EA corporate blaming would disappear from the theories.

[gr18]

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I think the thing to consider is...We should not assume that because the game isn't "perfect" that the reasons for it are malice or ineptitude on EA's part.

It's just wonky to think that EA is making a game designed to alienate potential customers...that can't be the case. The reason's why certain modes or features aren't in the game might not always be clear but I wish EA corporate blaming would disappear from the theories.

Well,in some instances there may be expectations that aren't completely reasonable but I believe the disdain more so comes from the implementation of features that disappear or not expanded upon.They are finally getting around to fixing things that could've been done years ago.Hopefully things work right or doesn't create a different ongoing issue.Hopefully the game plays good enough at release to not require a patch that may not fully or even partially address the issue that causes frustration or even shelving the game to get to that point.

[scoonie05]

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You can't please everybody. Ea obviously cater towards the casuals more then the sim crowd. I see them taking steps in the right direction tho. How many "actual" sim FOOTBALL games sold well?? I'll wait....

[steeldee7]

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I think that's why we have slider options. Plus EA had to implement an new physics engine so everyone on the development team has to learn to work with that. So other aspects of the game suffered. Now that they have a handle on that you will see new features and some old features brought back. With this in mind I'm excited for the edition of Madden.

[deaduck]

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Well,in some instances there may be expectations that aren't completely reasonable but I believe the disdain more so comes from the implementation of features that disappear or not expanded upon.They are finally getting around to fixing things that could've been done years ago.Hopefully things work right or doesn't create a different ongoing issue.Hopefully the game plays good enough at release to not require a patch that may not fully or even partially address the issue that causes frustration or even shelving the game to get to that point.

But seriously, "disdain" is unreasonable to hold towards any product made.

Every decision they made over the years has a design/cost/value ratio attached to the reasons they did it. That doesn't mean that every product produced is worth buying but across so many forums you see a mass of complaining about the game/company that you would think it was incapable of selling a few hundred units.

You see cats complaining about the lack of a dedicated Long Snapper feature as if that made the game unplayable. And they have every right not to buy the game over that, if that's their thing, but I imagine there are not enough hours in a day to spend valuable time scorching the internet with their hatred...and they probably bought it anyway.

[cusefan74]

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There is nothing sim about Madden anymore.

I don't expect perfection in video games, or IRL for that matter. What I expect from a football game is a sim if it says Madden on the cover. That is what the game is supposed to be, not this RPG game they have created. Madden football has become a money maker and that's it. It's a cash cow and that is all that EA cares about. EA does not listen to their customers and that is obvious or else they would have scrapped CFM 2 years ago.

I could go on and on but the more I say the more frustrated and angry I become with them. And this is coming from someone who defended EA and Madden right through Madden 12.

[bucky60]

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Madden in a positive light.

You have every right to view Madden in a positive light and even enjoy playing it. I for one just absolutely can't stand what they have done with the Franchise mode. I have a strong distaste for the arcadey RPG XP goals and would much rather have a realistic franchise mode.

Just different people with different tastes.

[cusefan74]

Re: Madden in a positive light.

You have every right to view Madden in a positive light and even enjoy playing it. I for one just absolutely can't stand what they have done with the Franchise mode. I have a strong distaste for the arcadey RPG XP goals and would much rather have a realistic franchise mode.

Just different people with different tastes.

I want to like this a million times!