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    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #91
    Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

    Originally posted by iLLWiLL
    In all fairness, this falls in line with pretty much every gaming company's marketing department strategy -- drag it out, build up hype. Live is no different, they are driving me crazy because I just want info, screenshots, videos. But, in due time...
    Wont turn this into a marketing thread, but I don't care who it is, im not game company peddling I just want to see the game, which is not unreasonable if you're asking me to rush down and plop down pre order money and won't even acknowledge any tweets unless its a pre order reciept

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    • ojandpizza
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 29807

      #92
      Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

      Curry's ankle braces are grayish with white straps in real life, and his leg sleeves don't look "dirty white" they look like they have a shadow from his shorts.

      Looks fine.


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      • The 24th Letter
        ERA
        • Oct 2007
        • 39373

        #93
        Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

        There's no doubt in my mind 2k's marketing guy's job is secure...ya'll just don't enjoy it, lol

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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #94
          Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
          There's no doubt in my mind 2k's marketing guy's job is secure...ya'll just don't enjoy it, lol

          It's a video game anyways.

          Dudes act like they are marketing something that by withholding information it's becoming life altering for them lol.


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          • 2_headedmonster
            MVP
            • Oct 2011
            • 2251

            #95
            Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

            The level of detail they're going for is staggering

            + Arm hair, always an impressive detail lol
            + the script on the kicks
            + bouncing phalanges
            + scanned teeth
            + good looking mouth-guard (a basketball game first?)
            + signature ankle braces

            - As in the screen, the hair is off. has that 'finger in a socket' look
            - poor lighting again. Hides the dimensions of the face (cheeks and forehead).
            - Seems too light in the face
            - sliding as he steps to the freethrow line
            - ankle braces are grey ( a legacy 2k white issue)

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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #96
              Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

              Curry's real ankle braces are grey, the straps are white.


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              • Sundown
                MVP
                • Oct 2010
                • 3270

                #97
                Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

                Originally posted by iLLWiLL
                Agreed. But I think that, if the players being scanned are being overlit with light and thus flooding out the details, then I think that would be a problem with 2K's scanning process And I don't think that would replicate what we see when watching real games on TV or in person, where we can see all of the details on a player's face and body.
                Actually you want to "overlight" and flatten the tones to create a proper albedo (surface color only) layer. I imagine the scan data can also be used to create an ambient occlusion (soft shadowing) layer, though maybe it's all baked into a traditional diffuse map in one scan. Basically that's computer graphics gibberish for getting textures that look correct in flat lighting so they can be consistently and correctly lit by the lighting functions. Then you use dynamic lighting to actually light the surfaces in game.

                So it's not really a problem with the scan-- there should be little lighting information outside of ambient occlusion, and I'm sure 2K has their scan data adjusted correctly. It's more about how the characters are actually lit and shadowed and how the specular response brings back depth as it does in real life.

                An additional difficulty is that basketball is played on a shiny hardwood floor that does tend to reflect back much of the arena light and flatten out some areas of figures. You don't really get harsh shadowed areas that help with definition. You get a lot of occluded soft shaded areas which 2K has done well simulating in realtime for a long time (even on last gen). This is what sometimes feels "real" vs. crappy graphics from the 90's. Notice how much 2K players do feel like they belong in their environment-- and notice how in the comparison shot the tones aren't THAT off from the actual video capture/photo even in areas not facing towards the arena lights. The rendering of shading under legs and between limbs is also quite well done.

                But what's subdued or missing in comparison to real life are the bright highlights (adjustable through gloss and specular fresnel maps or lighting functions), and the self-shadowing. Notice how Curry in game doesn't have any highlights that reach white compared to his photo. Also notice how Curry's brow doesn't cast a shadow on his cheek in 2K nor his bottom lip on his chin.

                The former can be improved in a number of practical ways. The latter is actually quite a difficult problem to get running fast and looking good in real time. That's probably more than you wanted to know.

                At any rate, I'm more concerned about the fact that the scan process sometimes produces bulbous heads with facial features that are too small in proportion. Curry looks good, but when compared to a photo, he looks like he has a mild case of encephalitis or had a minor nose job to celebrate his NBA ring.
                Last edited by Sundown; 08-07-2015, 01:39 PM.

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                • 23
                  yellow
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 66469

                  #98
                  Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

                  Im not going to over analyze the scan. Sure his skin could stand to be more yellow, but all in all that looks like Steph Curry

                  Doesn't look like his eye lids are taped to his forehead or anything

                  I hate that people have to nitpick stuff but when you hold back things like a new government secret project then when its released people are going to look harder.

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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #99
                    Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

                    Originally posted by ojandpizza
                    Curry's real ankle braces are grey, the straps are white.


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                    Bruh.... stop it man, and thats no excuse for grey off white leg sleeves

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                    • dubcity
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • May 2012
                      • 17876

                      #100
                      Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

                      Steph looks mildly disturbing, lol

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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #101
                        Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

                        Originally posted by 23




                        Bruh.... stop it man, and thats no excuse for grey off white leg sleeves









                        Well if you watch the video the grey/off-white coloring on his leg sleeves actually moves, and it's the same grey/off-white coloring that's on the shadow of his jersey..

                        It is a shadow


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                        • 23
                          yellow
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 66469

                          #102
                          Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

                          Thats not grey, its still white, and its not a shadow

                          That grainy pic you just posted is a bad reference because the lighting is all messed up.


                          Anyway, whatever. Like I said i hate to nitpick here because there are alot of nice details, just wish it was more to see

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                          • BA2929
                            The Designated Hitter
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 3342

                            #103
                            Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                            Spoiler


                            Well if you watch the video the grey/off-white coloring on his leg sleeves actually moves, and it's the same grey/off-white coloring that's on the shadow of his jersey..

                            It is a shadow
                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                            Curry's real ankle braces are grey, the straps are white.
                            What colors do you see in this picture?


                            Spoiler


                            The brace is white. It only looks grey because of the black padding bleeding through.
                            Last edited by BA2929; 08-07-2015, 01:50 PM.
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                            • SportsGamer94
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2015
                              • 343

                              #104
                              Yo, his eyes moved!!
                              Last edited by SportsGamer94; 08-07-2015, 02:04 PM.

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                              • jeremym480
                                Speak it into existence
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 18198

                                #105
                                Re: NBA 2K16 Video - Steph Curry with His Mouth Guard

                                Originally posted by 23
                                Beyond the shadows... does that mean out of the dark drab arenas?
                                Probably so... then again Beyond the Shadows could be Frequency Vibrations second cousin. Find out Monday August 10th #2K16 #BeTheStory #GreatnessAwaits #NotTheFather #BreakTheInternet #2k16 #PreorderNow
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