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  • Sheba2011
    MVP
    • Oct 2013
    • 2353

    #61
    Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

    As someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight I would rank the NFC North RB's as follows:

    1. AP - still the king until proven otherwise.
    2. Forte - One of the most dangerous weapons in the game.
    3. Lacy - very good young RB.

    Lacy will probably one day surpass both of these guys if he stays healthy. He is very close but not quite there yet.

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    • Jaysworld26
      Rookie
      • May 2003
      • 333

      #62
      Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

      Originally posted by Candyman5
      Not sure what your trying to argue? I never said anything bad about Lacys rating in my post at all?

      Only thing I said is Adrian is the better back until proven he is not due to him earning that through his play. I don't see why your so against that idea?

      Lacy has Aaron Rodgers as his QB. While Lacy is a great back that fits the system well, his QB helps him tremendously.

      Adrian has done almost all his damage with McNabb, Ponder, Joe Webb and Cassel as his QB's. 9 to 10 men in the box almost all the time. There were the years with Favre and this year hopefully a good and improved Teddy as his QBs but they were far and in between. The man almost broke the single season rushing record, broke multiple Vikings record, holds the record for most yards in a game.

      I'm sorry there's just no contest between the two as of now at this point. If/when Adrian starts to show his age and if/when he slows down then this could be a discussion but as of right now it isnt.
      You stated Lacy didn't deserve his rating thats my point. I never said peterson wasn't better. Peterson is the closest thing since Barry Sanders, but Lacy has alot of time to rack in stats at Age 25.

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      • Candyman5
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        • Nov 2006
        • 14380

        #63
        Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

        Originally posted by Jaysworld26
        You stated Lacy didn't deserve his rating thats my point. I never said peterson wasn't better. Peterson is the closest thing since Barry Sanders, but Lacy has alot of time to rack in stats at Age 25.
        I am re-reading my posts and I don't see me saying that Lacy didn't deserve the rating anywhere.
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        • jhigginsluckow
          Rookie
          • Oct 2014
          • 174

          #64
          Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

          Originally posted by ktd1976
          The Lions Weren't a fluke last year. Top 5 defense all season long. Beat the Packers once. Losing Suh won't hurt the Lions as much as everyone thinks. The offense will be improved. If any team could possibly unseat the Packers in the north (not likely) It is the Lions, not the Vikings.....
          lol okay. You're right, losing your best player on defense and one of the five best defensive players in the game isn't going to hurt "as much as everyone thinks". How much does "everyone" think it's going to hurt? It will drop them out of the top 5, that's for sure. No Suh or Fairley or even Mosley. Detroit grossly outperformed compared to their talent level. Come back when they go 8-8 this year, okay?

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          • jhigginsluckow
            Rookie
            • Oct 2014
            • 174

            #65
            Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

            Originally posted by Godgers12
            I would take the Packers interior OL over anyone's. Sutton is the best OG in football in my opinion, Lang and Linsley are both top 5. Really the only thing that separates the Cowboys' unit from ours is Tyron Smith. But Bakhtiari and Bulaga are no slouches either.
            Homer alert. Lang and Linsely are both good, but they are not top 5 at their position. Come on man lol.

            Mack, Mangold, Pouncey, Pouncey, Frederick, and Kalil are all ahead of Linsley. Hudson and Sullivan are as good, too.

            Do I seriously need to list out guards that are clearly better than Lang?

            Bulaga is a good tackle, nothing spectacular. Bakhtiari is average at absolute best.

            Green Bay has one elite guard, 3 good other lineman, and one average one (at the most important position, nonetheless). I don't see how that equates to having a top three line.

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            • roadman
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2003
              • 26339

              #66
              Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

              Originally posted by jhigginsluckow
              Homer alert. Lang and Linsely are both good, but they are not top 5 at their position. Come on man lol.

              Mack, Mangold, Pouncey, Pouncey, Frederick, and Kalil are all ahead of Linsley. Hudson and Sullivan are as good, too.

              Do I seriously need to list out guards that are clearly better than Lang?

              Bulaga is a good tackle, nothing spectacular. Bakhtiari is average at absolute best.

              Green Bay has one elite guard, 3 good other lineman, and one average one (at the most important position, nonetheless). I don't see how that equates to having a top three line.
              Maybe you would settle for #4 ranking by PFF?

              Sounds like you are under estimating Lang's ranking in the run game.

              And both tackles are very good in pass blocking.

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              • DerkontheOS
                GB
                • Jul 2009
                • 3138

                #67
                Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                Originally posted by jhigginsluckow
                Homer alert. Lang and Linsely are both good, but they are not top 5 at their position. Come on man lol.

                Mack, Mangold, Pouncey, Pouncey, Frederick, and Kalil are all ahead of Linsley. Hudson and Sullivan are as good, too.

                Do I seriously need to list out guards that are clearly better than Lang?

                Bulaga is a good tackle, nothing spectacular. Bakhtiari is average at absolute best.

                Green Bay has one elite guard, 3 good other lineman, and one average one (at the most important position, nonetheless). I don't see how that equates to having a top three line.
                Per PFF:

                "With an excellent rookie campaign in the books, it will be on Linsley to avoid a sophomore slump in 2015. He was helped by some tremendous guard play last year (T.J. Lang and Josh Sitton were ranked third and fourth, respectively, in our guard grading), and if either regresses it will be interesting to see if it affects Linsley’s play.

                Considering the Packers’ history with late round picks on the offensive line, I certainly wouldn’t bet on it. Right tackle Bryan Bulaga is the only starter drafted before the fourth round, and Green Bay will return all five players again this year after coming in at No. 4 in our offensive line rankings in 2014. Continuity is king in the realm of offensive lines, and Linsley will be the centerpiece of the unit for the foreseeable future."

                "By the time Tretter had been cleared to play, Linsley had rocketed up to fourth in our center grades and had the starting job so firmly in his grasp that he probably could have been flagged for holding. In the 11 games following that brutal three game start, Linsley posted just one negative grade (-0.6 against Philadelphia) which was countered by seven grades in the green. By the end of the season he had dropped just one spot, but a strong divisional round outing against Dallas saw him reclaim the fourth spot when the dust had settled."


                ...A little research goes a long way.

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                • jhigginsluckow
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 174

                  #68
                  Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                  Originally posted by roadman
                  Maybe you would settle for #4 ranking by PFF?

                  Sounds like you are under estimating Lang's ranking in the run game.

                  And both tackles are very good in pass blocking.

                  https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ne-rankings/4/
                  Originally posted by DerkontheOS
                  Per PFF:

                  "With an excellent rookie campaign in the books, it will be on Linsley to avoid a sophomore slump in 2015. He was helped by some tremendous guard play last year (T.J. Lang and Josh Sitton were ranked third and fourth, respectively, in our guard grading), and if either regresses it will be interesting to see if it affects Linsley’s play.

                  Considering the Packers’ history with late round picks on the offensive line, I certainly wouldn’t bet on it. Right tackle Bryan Bulaga is the only starter drafted before the fourth round, and Green Bay will return all five players again this year after coming in at No. 4 in our offensive line rankings in 2014. Continuity is king in the realm of offensive lines, and Linsley will be the centerpiece of the unit for the foreseeable future."

                  "By the time Tretter had been cleared to play, Linsley had rocketed up to fourth in our center grades and had the starting job so firmly in his grasp that he probably could have been flagged for holding. In the 11 games following that brutal three game start, Linsley posted just one negative grade (-0.6 against Philadelphia) which was countered by seven grades in the green. By the end of the season he had dropped just one spot, but a strong divisional round outing against Dallas saw him reclaim the fourth spot when the dust had settled."


                  ...A little research goes a long way.
                  Fair enough. At first thought, it didn't seem like Green Bay would be in the top three. After going team by team though, I can't say there are three teams I'd definitively put ahead of them. I'll concede on the overall ranking; I'm wrong. I would, however, still take quite a few of the centers I mentioned above as well as a handful of guards over Linsley and Lang, respectively. Individual offensive linemen rankings are very volatile. I'll take guys who are consistently good/great like Mack, Pouncey, Frederick, etc over guys who haven't been good quite as long. Granted, that's of no fault to Linsley as he's only played one year.

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                  • roadman
                    *ll St*r
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 26339

                    #69
                    Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                    Originally posted by jhigginsluckow
                    Fair enough. At first thought, it didn't seem like Green Bay would be in the top three. After going team by team though, I can't say there are three teams I'd definitively put ahead of them. I'll concede on the overall ranking; I'm wrong. I would, however, still take quite a few of the centers I mentioned above as well as a handful of guards over Linsley and Lang, respectively. Individual offensive linemen rankings are very volatile. I'll take guys who are consistently good/great like Mack, Pouncey, Frederick, etc over guys who haven't been good quite as long. Granted, that's of no fault to Linsley as he's only played one year.
                    Yeah, I would agree with you on the centers out there, but the guards are tough to beat. PFF has Lang ranked #3 and Sitton #4.

                    So, anything beyond that is subjective and personal opinions.

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                    • Kodii Rockets
                      I smell sulfur...
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2670

                      #70
                      Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                      Ugh, whole damn thread is mired in cheese. See you guys in 2018 or so when these stinkin' Bears are competitive again and ARodg starts to decline.

                      Crazy that you guys think that the QB lottery you hit isn't solely responsible for these bum's success.

                      The Don Majkowski days will return, just you wait.

                      Bleh...
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                      • roadman
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 26339

                        #71
                        Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                        Originally posted by Kodii Rockets
                        Ugh, whole damn thread is mired in cheese. See you guys in 2018 or so when these stinkin' Bears are competitive again and ARodg starts to decline.

                        Crazy that you guys think that the QB lottery you hit isn't solely responsible for these bum's success.

                        The Don Majkowski days will return, just you wait.

                        Bleh...
                        That already happened, though. We had 24 years of mediocrity between Super 2 and the Favre days.

                        That was da Bears turn to shine and they have 1 SB out of those 24 yrs.

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                        • Kodii Rockets
                          I smell sulfur...
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 2670

                          #72
                          Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                          I don't need you reminding me roadman, I still sing the Superbowl shuffle as I weep quietly.

                          Mark my words young whippersnapper, Aaron Rodgers will decline within the next 30-40 years, Ted Thompson will stop being an effing genius regarding draft picks.

                          These days will retuuuuuuurrrrrn!!!! *shakes fist in the air*

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                          • roadman
                            *ll St*r
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 26339

                            #73
                            Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                            Eh, I was living in Shytown during the Super Bowl Shuffle, but that is another story.....

                            Actually, we respect Majik because if he didn't get injured, Favre wouldn't have entered his first game.

                            Just having a friendly banter
                            Last edited by roadman; 08-11-2015, 02:23 PM.

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                            • ggsimmonds
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 11235

                              #74
                              Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                              Originally posted by Godgers12
                              I would take the Packers interior OL over anyone's. Sutton is the best OG in football in my opinion, Lang and Linsley are both top 5. Really the only thing that separates the Cowboys' unit from ours is Tyron Smith. But Bakhtiari and Bulaga are no slouches either.
                              Marshall Yanda.

                              You Packer fans keep saying Sutton is better and Yanda may come in here and run over 3 of you at the same time.

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                              • roadman
                                *ll St*r
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 26339

                                #75
                                Re: Madden NFL 16 NFC North Team Ratings, Along with a Few More Player Ratings

                                Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                                Marshall Yanda.

                                You Packer fans keep saying Sutton is better and Yanda may come in here and run over 3 of you at the same time.
                                First of all, need to get the players name correct, for those outside Packerland. lol

                                It's all-pro guard Josh Sitton.

                                I don't know where Yanda lands, but Lang and Sitton are #3 and 4.

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