Full Spreadsheet of Madden NFL 16 Player Ratings Available Now

[IdleRace]

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The random speed ratings make no sense to everyone. It's like Moore was half way through decreasing every ones speed to a new scale and got fired and left and they are unfinished.

Who knows. Its so bizarre. I am so pumped for Madden and pre ordered awhile ago but I am thinking do I even want to jump into this mess again or skip the headache.

I am going to wait and see what happens with this before release.

[nocmsa]

The speed Ratings seemed to be heavily based on 40 times . It's obvious because if you compare guys with similar speeds they have similar 40 times minus a few guys here and there . I actually like what they are doing brings some logic to the speed rating system.

[Yukon46]

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The speed Ratings seemed to be heavily based on 40 times . It's obvious because if you compare guys with similar speeds they have similar 40 times minus a few guys here and there . I actually like what they are doing brings some logic to the speed rating system.

Exactly !

Tweeted on Aug 4th as pertaining to speed ratings in Madden 16

Donny Moore <s>@</s>Donny_Moore <small class="time"> Aug 4 </small>all based off real world 40 time data now. With age-regression built in.


DCEBB2001 Posted this about speed regression in another thread.....

" I have done a lot of analysis on that, and guys who have been hurt will drop, but on the average, a player with a 15 year career will only drop about a tenth in the 40. I have data to support this. A guy like Donald Driver started out at a 4.45 in 1999 and was only at 4.56 in 2011. These guys don't drop off as much as some would like us to believe. "

....Now 4.45 to 4.56 does not sound like much, but in Madden's rating scale, that is about 6 speed points. So a player would go from a 89 to a 83 in this example.

[charter04]

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Exactly !

Tweeted on Aug 4th as pertaining to speed ratings in Madden 16

Donny Moore <s>@</s>Donny_Moore <small class="time"> Aug 4 </small>all based off real world 40 time data now. With age-regression built in.


DCEBB2001 Posted this about speed regression in another thread.....

" I have done a lot of analysis on that, and guys who have been hurt will drop, but on the average, a player with a 15 year career will only drop about a tenth in the 40. I have data to support this. A guy like Donald Driver started out at a 4.45 in 1999 and was only at 4.56 in 2011. These guys don't drop off as much as some would like us to believe. "

....Now 4.45 to 4.56 does not sound like much, but in Madden's rating scale, that is about 6 speed points. So a player would go from a 89 to a 83 in this example.

If that is what was done then I'm fine with it. I'm a little concerned that the CFM rookie classes aren't going to be scaled with the new speed ratings though.

I guess we'll see.

[StefJoeHalt]

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I'm all for reduced speed..but I'm a touch concerned.."disclaimer I'm a die hard Eagles fan"...but who on earth is Lane Johnson almost as fast as Larry Fitzgerald ?...there are some suspect numbers...MeSean is likely top 5 fastest player in the league but some how he is running between 4.5-4.4? I'm getting these numbers from the slider scale they (EA) put together for an article no more then a few months ago...by their scale Larry Fitzgerald runs now in the 4.7 range? Larry isn't the fastest guy but that seems off...dan u have any numbers to either tell me I'm wrong or right?


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[KickassJohnson]

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The fact that they based player in-game speeds on their 40 times from some combine tells me all I need to know about this year's game..

[Facts]

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I don't understand the hype on Perriman. Guys like Goodwin and Dorsett burned coverage's while Perriman doesn't get the same separation on streaks. smh 40 times without pads are over valued in the football world.

[Mizzou24]

Full Spreadsheet of Madden NFL 16 Player Ratings Available Now

Looks like speeds will have to be scaled back up if the draft speeds are legit(from the few people posting about that)and from the looks of half and half speed rating scales in this...


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[STB Bodam]

The ratings... How is Brandon Thompson a 69? That's a joke.

[Sheba2011]

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I like JJ Watt and all but a 78 catch rating and again how is Desean Jackson not the fastest guy in the league.

JJ Watt was a tight end in high school and at a Central Michigan, 78 is probably low for him.

[msdm27]

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I think the biggest issue is nobody knows how they re-rate SPD based on age. If they gave an explanation to how this was calculated, then I reckon much would be clarified.

I did a google search (very quick one! before some people bust in to correct/scold the finding) and found this projections for Brent Grimes

40 Low: 4.47 40 Time: 4.57 40 High: 4.68 (via nfldraftscout.com)

Now that's from his rookie year and going by the spreadsheet a 40-time of 4.57 would approximately result in a SPD around the 84-87 range... Russell Wilson, for example, has a SPD of 86 with a 40-time of 4.55 (from nfl.com)... I assume since Russ is still quite young, his SPD rating is still being solely based on 40 time without devaluation from age so......

Brent Grimes is now 32 years old... what calculation/formula made him drop to 81 SPD from his original (approx) SPD of 86?

For reference: Other players with 81 SPD in M16 and their actual 40 times.
Xzavier Dickson (rookie for NE)....... 4.74 (via nfl.com)
Frank Gore (veteran over 30).......... 40 Low: 4.48 40 Time: 4.58 40 High: 4.69
Antonio Allen (young safety for NYJ)..... 4.67 (via nfl.com)

Two things:
1) funny how two young players around the same age group with 0.7 difference in 40-times end up with the same SPD rating

2) It seems there is some sort of "logic" to the SPD devaluation from age since both Gore and Grimes are the same age and had approximately the same 40 time in their rookie seasons and both now have 81 sped.

[ATLBrayden]

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I think the biggest issue is nobody knows how they re-rate SPD based on age. If they gave an explanation to how this was calculated, then I reckon much would be clarified.

I did a google search (very quick one! before some people bust in to correct/scold the finding) and found this projections for Brent Grimes

40 Low: 4.47 40 Time: 4.57 40 High: 4.68 (via nfldraftscout.com)

Now that's from his rookie year and going by the spreadsheet a 40-time of 4.57 would approximately result in a SPD around the 84-87 range... Russell Wilson, for example, has a SPD of 86 with a 40-time of 4.55 (from nfl.com)... I assume since Russ is still quite young, his SPD rating is still being solely based on 40 time without devaluation from age so......

Brent Grimes is now 32 years old... what calculation/formula made him drop to 81 SPD from his original (approx) SPD of 86?

For reference: Other players with 81 SPD in M16 and their actual 40 times.
Xzavier Dickson (rookie for NE)....... 4.74 (via nfl.com)
Frank Gore (veteran over 30).......... 40 Low: 4.48 40 Time: 4.58 40 High: 4.69
Antonio Allen (young safety for NYJ)..... 4.67 (via nfl.com)

Two things:
1) funny how two young players around the same age group with 0.7 difference in 40-times end up with the same SPD rating

2) It seems there is some sort of "logic" to the SPD devaluation from age since both Gore and Grimes are the same age and had approximately the same 40 time in their rookie seasons and both now have 81 sped.

I remember Dan from FBG Ratings explained that NFL players barely even lose speed if they even lose any throughout their entire careers, and that EA's speed regression is completely out of hand.

I find it impossible to believe that every single veteran in the entire league lost speed, and guys like AP and Jamaal Charles both lost 7 speed in a single year, EA just completely overlooked rookies when they toned down speeds.

[msdm27]

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I remember Dan from FBG Ratings explained that NFL players barely even lose speed if they even lose any throughout their entire careers, and that EA's speed regression is completely out of hand.

I find it impossible to believe that every single veteran in the entire league lost speed, and guys like AP and Jamaal Charles both lost 7 speed in a single year, EA just completely overlooked rookies when they toned down speeds.

That's why I'm looking for an explanation/logic based on EA's method, which is the only thing we have to work with for M16.

As long as stuff is consistent then I'm ok with that... I mean, if rookies running 4.57 come in at 86 SPD and regress accordingly with vets, then that's cool.

But as we all worry about.... the issue might be the amount of rookies coming in at 95+ SPD :/

[Shady Mike]

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Still not understanding Desean Jackson's rating, no he's not an Eagle anymore, but he is LITERALLY the fastest player in the NFL...I have never in my whole life seen him caught from behind. 92 speed? Stop it, these ratings are asinine.

[Equinox831]

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These rosters are going to need some work. Most things look pretty decent, but, just like everybody else said, the speed ratings are awful. Looks like the minimum speed threshold this year is going to have to be relatively high. I'd rather everybody be near the same playing field in terms of speed as opposed to linebackers catching receivers from behind every time they get free.