PES 2016 Demo Available Now on Xbox One and PlayStation 4

[dmendenhall_9]

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I think just game speed.

If I could get one slider added to this series it would be a toss-up between pass accuracy and pass speed

When you turn game speed down to -1 it does seem to affect the pass speed also. I am planning on doing a video with brazil and france to see what kind of pass percentage I can get the teams at. My last two videos with Bayern they are around 85-90% but that is also because it is Bayern and they also I was playing defensive so they were just passing the ball around the half looking for openings to attack. I would love it if you guys came into my thread and posted some ideas about my videos there and even better post your own! Thanks!

[L4velle]

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Two of my videos.

Brazil vs France
Bayern vs Juventus

I think gameplay is a bit too fast for my liking and tackling still feels a bit like your players moving on a rail.

Have you tried game speed -1 from the paused menu? That's perfect speed in my opinion.

[dmendenhall_9]

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Well you certainly got my attention lol. I'm just kiddin' ya. Apology accepted, no biggie. As for PES, the reason why I singled out ground passes is because for me the velocity of the ground passes, and to a lesser extent through balls is too high, add in the players being a bit too spaced out and you get very high pass percentages, and very little in the way of pass int's resulting in quick counters the other way. Now that's not to say that counters don't indeed happen in PES, they do, but just a bit differently than I'd personally like.
On another note,
I'm really starting to like the tactical options available, and best of all they work, well, hopefully the CPU clubs adapt and change their strategy on the fly in ML, if they did that would be golden.
Keep churning out those videos!

Couple new videos on my thread. Take a look! Pass percentage is a little high for AI but it is Bayern too (ok i am repeating what i just said but oh well). I really like the shape I was getting from the teams though. Going to experiment with some less talented teams to see if that affects pass percentage too. It is too bad I can't let the AI play each other in demo because I think it would help to see what kind of changes to make to help the AI play better.

[dubcity]

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I think just game speed.

If I could get one slider added to this series it would be a toss-up between pass accuracy and pass speed

But if it worked like FIFA's sliders, changing them would just open up other flaws in the game. I actually like that PES has avoided sliders. And since single-player has become such a secondary mode to online, I don't think we'll ever see sliders in PES. If FUT had caught on a few years earlier, FIFA probably wouldn't have sliders either. But I digress.

[Money99]

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Finally got around to trying the demo.
Please note that I know nothing about soccer. Never played as a kid and really didn't think much of the sport up until this year.

I played 4 games and had an absolute blast.
I have no clue what I'm doing and most of my shots went high. I lost 3 and tied the last one 1-1.

I'm starting to get used to the controls and I think with more time I'll get better.

I also had no problem getting fouls called against me. In fact, it seemed anytime I slid (usually from a poor angle) I got rung-up for it. And the CPU was awarded a penalty kick anytime I slid-tackled a forward in the box.

Really, really enjoying this game.
I hope the Franchise Mode is deep. I love that stuff.

[JimmyDeicide]

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Very cool Money, glad your liking it, the animations are second to none, really well done this year. last year there was a little disconnect with it all but it controls so much better now.

I think you may like the master league mode if you have never done it before.
Looking for young players or abroad to bolster your team can be a real fun thing to do you can spend days in there.

[Money99]

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Very cool Money, glad your liking it, the animations are second to none, really well done this year. last year there was a little disconnect with it all but it controls so much better now.

I think you may like the master league mode if you have never done it before.
Looking for young players or abroad to bolster your team can be a real fun thing to do you can spend days in there.

Thanks Jimmy!
Yeah, that sounds really cool.
The problem is I don't have the first idea of how the managerial world of soccer works.
It sounds like you can sign kids at 10 years old, haha.
The transfer window is also baffling.

I hope there's a good tutorial on how this all works.
I'm also really looking forward to qualifying for the Champions League.

[sroz39]

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Played a few games and the quick impressions for me are that it looks and plays significantly better than 2015 but the fouls are a large enough issue that it would keep me from investing a huge amount of time into the game. Someone else mentioned this earlier in the thread but its actually a step back in its current form because of the increased physicality and animations. There's more ways to slow a person down now by fouling but it goes completely ignored by the refs.

I hope the devs follow through on their update that they're still working on the refs. It's just far too large an aspect of the sport to be ignored by the devs and looked past by me as a consumer.

Which is a shame because the rest of the game is a huge improvement and 2015 was already pretty great in its own right.

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[ezio]

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When you turn game speed down to -1 it does seem to affect the pass speed also. I am planning on doing a video with brazil and france to see what kind of pass percentage I can get the teams at. My last two videos with Bayern they are around 85-90% but that is also because it is Bayern and they also I was playing defensive so they were just passing the ball around the half looking for openings to attack. I would love it if you guys came into my thread and posted some ideas about my videos there and even better post your own! Thanks!

I agree Game speed definitely seems to affect the pass speed. It is pretty good on -1 I did not try -2 yet because in the past I thought that was too slow.

[ezio]

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Played a few games and the quick impressions for me are that it looks and plays significantly better than 2015 but the fouls are a large enough issue that it would keep me from investing a huge amount of time into the game. Someone else mentioned this earlier in the thread but its actually a step back in its current form because of the increased physicality and animations. There's more ways to slow a person down now by fouling but it goes completely ignored by the refs.

I hope the devs follow through on their update that they're still working on the refs. It's just far too large an aspect of the sport to be ignored by the devs and looked past by me as a consumer.

Which is a shame because the rest of the game is a huge improvement and 2015 was already pretty great in its own right.

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I am still going to get it but I do hope they address the refs. The rest of the game as you said is much better than 2015 which is why I am going to get it and hope they fix the refs. If they don't fix the refs as someone else pointer out playing online will be a nightmare.

[Matt10]

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Even with the fluid formations, the pace of play is still chaotic in my eyes. There is an unecessary sense of urgency for every attack by the CPU. The amount of completed passes and the attitude are more concerning to me. Soccer is a tactical game, and it is tactical because it does not move in blistering pace like PES seems to have turned towards. It's hard to believe that players can even play for 30 minutes, let alone 90 minutes, at the pace of the current form.

Even here, with Argentina completing 25 passes, the pace of play was a mixed tempo, a slower tempo...emphasis on the tactical positioning and movement off the ball gradually.

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I'm not sure PES will ever reach this point for the CPU to develop this pace. I'm not sure FIFA can even do it (pass speed for both games), but it's shown better signs for the positioning to be the catalyst of proper pace of play.

[mrcultureshock]

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I haven't played PES/WE for a long time and I was pleasantly surprised how much the game like the real thing. Here are my pros and cons:

Pros:

- Fluid animations
- Passes and strategies look like the real deal
- I only played 3 games and I've already seen a different variety of goals.

Cons:

- More fouls should've been called.
- The game felt fast even at its lowest speed setting. Attacks don't develop; they just happen at a lightening pace.
- I feel that the AI sometimes knows were I'm passing the ball or where I'm tackling
- The reaction time of GK is slower sometimes. Their positioning and aggressiveness are quite lacking.

[KG]

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Even with the fluid formations, the pace of play is still chaotic in my eyes. There is an unecessary sense of urgency for every attack by the CPU. The amount of completed passes and the attitude are more concerning to me. Soccer is a tactical game, and it is tactical because it does not move in blistering pace like PES seems to have turned towards. It's hard to believe that players can even play for 30 minutes, let alone 90 minutes, at the pace of the current form.

Even here, with Argentina completing 25 passes, the pace of play was a mixed tempo, a slower tempo...emphasis on the tactical positioning and movement off the ball gradually.

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I'm not sure PES will ever reach this point for the CPU to develop this pace. I'm not sure FIFA can even do it (pass speed for both games), but it's shown better signs for the positioning to be the catalyst of proper pace of play.

This video, which you commented on has that exact same pace (which is very rare btw):

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The pace on this video is very good as both sides were set to conservative pressures. Klash does a good job of controlling one defender and sticking with him to not pull defenders out of position/formation. A lot of us, myself, included are so used to switching a lot (old FIFA bad habits where you HAD to control every player). You can tell his attack and counters suffered because he didn't have much in the way of support when he won the ball.

The CPU was very patient, there were even times when Totti slowed down to assess his options after dropping deep (which is what he does now at his advanced age). Roma went offensive around the 80 min mark but Klash did a good job of maintaining some possession and cutting out the threats.

This video is a pretty big contrast to a lot of the videos shown so far BUT it shouldn't be the sole way games play out. There should be a good mixture of pace varieties.

[Matt10]

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This video, which you commented on has that exact same pace (which is very rare btw):

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The pace on this video is very good as both sides were set to conservative pressures. Klash does a good job of controlling one defender and sticking with him to not pull defenders out of position/formation. A lot of us, myself, included are so used to switching a lot (old FIFA bad habits where you HAD to control every player). You can tell his attack and counters suffered because he didn't have much in the way of support when he won the ball.

The CPU was very patient, there were even times when Totti slowed down to assess his options after dropping deep (which is what he does now at his advanced age). Roma went offensive around the 80 min mark but Klash did a good job of maintaining some possession and cutting out the threats.

This video is a pretty big contrast to a lot of the videos shown so far BUT it shouldn't be the sole way games play out. There should be a good mixture of pace varieties.

I get that, I do. Pace of play is also determined by completed pass success as well. PES AI really main attack is a string of completed passes, that has been the consistent theme in all videos, including klash's and inf0's videos that I have seen - along with dmend's.

I made a video on FIFA that you can control the pace of play by controlling one player (CM/DM) as well. That's not just a PES thing. PES has also had the issues of controlling all 11 players ever since they switched to this Fox engine. It was never like this before.

Eitherway, I'm remaining objective, there are two games that also include PES 13 and PES 11. There is a lot of defending of PES 16 demo for some reason vs remaining objective to what could be possible. There are big issues still with the game, but it is enjoyable in the moment. It definitely doesn't look like what we see IRL though, and I think if we could tighten the field up, lower the pass speed and pass accuracy - we'd get there with PES 16. I think tactics will only go so far, but then again it's just the demo - who knows what will be modified in the full release, but I'm certain the foul radius for the referee is ineffective because of how wide open the gameplay is. Tighten it up (programming, not tactics) and you'll start seeing that radius grow closer to the action, thus fouls getting called more. This was the issue with FIFA 14 (old gen), except it was paired with pass speed and FT control (sliders, duh) to get the referee to start making obvious foul calls. Yet another reason PES needs, and always will need, gameplay sliders. I've said it for 10+ years, and I'll say it for 10+ more.

[L4velle]

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Does anyone think the final defensive line stands a bit to high up field contributing to the vast amount of counter attacks? Don't get me wrong really enjoying this demo the best pes showing in years. A few tweaks here and there and we could have a real gem. The demo has done more than enough to convince me this is a day 1 purchase.