Hulk Hogan Has Been Fired From the WWE and Will Not Appear in WWE 2K16

[stlstudios189]

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Watch "finding Hulk Hogan"
It's on YouTube from 2010
Hulk Hogan changes his entire life and attitude in 2009 2 years after these comments were made. Was he racist then maybe we're the comments wrong of course but people change and I truley believe the Hulk Hogan of now is nowhere even close to the man that says those things in 2007

[BMDinTDOT]

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Rock said "We've all talked trash," not that we've all gone on racist tirades. Your example isn't even comparable.

Good for you?

The comedy space is completely different and even in that, making a comedic career off of race jokes has become rarer and less accepted. Amy Schumer has come under fire recently for racially insensitive jokes. Your best comparison would be what Michael Richards said to that heckler in 06 at the Laugh Factory.

What history? His relationships with "8-foot tall ******* worth a hundred million dollars?" The only ones he can rationalize tolerating?


They, like you, keep glossing over the fact that HE SAID HE WAS RACIST. What 'evidence' do you have that supports your theory that he's changed his opinions so much over the past 8 years?

The sad thing here is that your rationale is the exact reason why making progress amidst the current racial tensions is so damn hard. This isn't meant to be personal, but there's always this conglomerate that goes above and beyond to defend, justify, or explain away every act of racism. Then they go and find a black person or two that agrees with them and use that as credibility for their opinion. Most folks who haven't experienced or seen racism up close would only know it if it hit them in the face and Hulk Hogan did his best to do that. He even gave the two piece combo of saying the N-word and saying he's racist. Yet here you are, 160+ posts later, still trying to convince us that a man who said he's racist isn't actually racist.

a) When the Rock says in "We've all talked a little trash" in regards
to Hogans comments. Read between the lines and what he's really
saying. What he's saying is what I've been saying this entire thread.

b) The man is 62 years old there is no other evidence that he's racist
in his entire life other then when he was at his lowest point.

c) You are obviously a black man living in the United States I have
no problem with your viewpoint or how you feel regarding the stuff
that goes on in your country I'm not trying to change your mind.

d) I don't know how I can explain this any further but I'll try. I'm not
trying to convince you of anything. But if you said something Racial,
Homophobic etc or committed a crime etc I would "leave the possibility"
out there that it was an isolated incident or a tirade before casting
full judgment on you that you are those things. When it comes to Sterling
I knew right off the bat he was racist and meant what he said. With
Hogan I believe he was just talking ****.

[BMDinTDOT]

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What's funny is that the only arguments you have to support your argument is "The Rock and Shaq said he isnt racist" and "Sometimes people yell racist **** when they are angry and dont mean it"

Your first argument is flawed. I'll say it again: Just because someone is occasionally polite or cool with a minority doesnt mean they cant be racist or hold prejudiced beliefs. There are thousands of people who if they met the Rock or Shaq would be polite and nice towards them because they are celebrities. Those same people are probably nice to the minorities that they work with. Those same people also would be furious if their daughter brought a black man home as her boyfriend.

Your second argument is equally flawed and I find it funny that you keep ducking this question (likely because you cant answer it and it ruins ur argument):

What did the guys race have to do with any of this?

Again, Hogan was mad that Brooke went to work with someone else on her music career. A son of a billionaire. That is what Hogan was mad at. So why is he bringing up his race? Why is he calling him a ******? Why is he saying that marrying ******s is OK if they are rich basketball players? Perhaps because he really believes those things and he regularly refers to blacks that way.

This tape isnt the only thing that indicates Hogan has an issue with blacks and black culture. A few years ago there was a dress code instituted at his restaurant that argyuably was directed at black consumers. ****, a week ago they released a tape of him talking to his son using the word "******".

Also if there is so much support......where is the "Reinstate Hogan" campaign? Why isnt the WWE being flooded with tweets, emails, letters and phone calls about how Hogan has been unjustifiably fired? Where is the #ReinstateHogan hashtag?

There is nothing because most people see it the way I do. Either he truly believes those things he says or he has real anger management issues that cause him to have some sort of racial tourettes. Either way he shouldnt be representing the WWE.

Also if there are times you get angry and that causes you to shout out racial slurs....get some help. Seriously.

Listen you can downplay Hogans black friends supporting him being
Celebrity boys all you want...

But you can't downplay all the black people out there that are fans of
Hogan supporting him saying what I've being saying that they don't
believe he's truly racist. What is your answer to that?

Now you're trying to make up a supposed dress code at his restaurant
to back up your claim? Hogan has been dressing like a black guy himself
for years.

Nobody is downplaying the severity of his remarks. None of us said
he shouldn't pay the consequences for his remarks by the WWE that's
why there is no #ReinstateHogan and they're not being flooded with
requests to bring him back.

You and another poster want to use that as ammo against me when
I never said it or advocated it...

All I've ever said is I believe there is a strong possibility that he really
isn't racist and was just talking **** at the time which Hogan does about
every topic he's ever discussed.

There are tons of black fans out there that think the same as me and
there is a ton of white people that think he truly is racist and are done
with him for good. We all look at Hogan differently and will have our
own opinions.

I don't know what else can be said but we agree to disagree on Hogan

[Hassan Darkside]

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a) When the Rock says in "We've all talked a little trash" in regards
to Hogans comments. Read between the lines and what he's really
saying. What he's saying is what I've been saying this entire thread.

b) The man is 62 years old there is no other evidence that he's racist
in his entire life other then when he was at his lowest point.

c) You are obviously a black man living in the United States I have
no problem with your viewpoint or how you feel regarding the stuff
that goes on in your country I'm not trying to change your mind.

d) I don't know how I can explain this any further but I'll try. I'm not
trying to convince you of anything. But if you said something Racial,
Homophobic etc or committed a crime etc I would "leave the possibility"
out there that it was an isolated incident or a tirade before casting
full judgment on you that you are those things. When it comes to Sterling
I knew right off the bat he was racist and meant what he said. With
Hogan I believe he was just talking ****.

a.) Why do you want us to keep ignoring what people say and then try to draw some erroneous interpretation of it? I don't need to read between the lines. You just pull some quote out of context and try to use it to make your point. That's weak man.

B.) There's no evidence that he wasn't racist either. Racism isn't just a mood. You don't just have a few bad days and wake up hating black people. There's no evidence that he went through some event in his life between the ages of 54-62 that completely reshaped his opinion of black people.

C.) Yeah, which makes it real hard to take your perspective seriously.

D.) Leave the possibility? You haven't even considered the possibility that Hogan is racist. You don't sound much different than Dylann Roof's friend who said Roof talked about segregation and made jokes about black people but he wasn't actually racist. You don't even know what racism is, do you?

You should seriously think to yourself and decide is this is really a hill that you want to die on. Your entire argument can be summed up in an Onion-esque headline: "White Foreigner Tries To Convince Black Men That Man Who Admitted He Was Racist is Not Racist."

C'mon man.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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a.) Why do you want us to keep ignoring what people say and then try to draw some erroneous interpretation of it? I don't need to read between the lines. You just pull some quote out of context and try to use it to make your point. That's weak man.

B.) There's no evidence that he wasn't racist either. Racism isn't just a mood. You don't just have a few bad days and wake up hating black people. There's no evidence that he went through some event in his life between the ages of 54-62 that completely reshaped his opinion of black people.

C.) Yeah, which makes it real hard to take your perspective seriously.

D.) Leave the possibility? You haven't even considered the possibility that Hogan is racist. You don't sound much different than Dylann Roof's friend who said Roof talked about segregation and made jokes about black people but he wasn't actually racist. You don't even know what racism is, do you?

You should seriously think to yourself and decide is this is really a hill that you want to die on. Your entire argument can be summed up in an Onion-esque headline: "White Foreigner Tries To Convince Black Men That Man Who Admitted He Was Racist is Not Racist."

C'mon man.

personally,I think he just needs to shut the **** up........but that's just me.

[King_B_Mack]

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personally,I think he just needs to shut the **** up........but that's just me.

That works too. But I appreciate Hassaan taking the time to try to explain things to him as opposed to just outright saying that lol.

[BMDinTDOT]

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a.) Why do you want us to keep ignoring what people say and then try to draw some erroneous interpretation of it? I don't need to read between the lines. You just pull some quote out of context and try to use it to make your point. That's weak man.

B.) There's no evidence that he wasn't racist either. Racism isn't just a mood. You don't just have a few bad days and wake up hating black people. There's no evidence that he went through some event in his life between the ages of 54-62 that completely reshaped his opinion of black people.

C.) Yeah, which makes it real hard to take your perspective seriously.

D.) Leave the possibility? You haven't even considered the possibility that Hogan is racist. You don't sound much different than Dylann Roof's friend who said Roof talked about segregation and made jokes about black people but he wasn't actually racist. You don't even know what racism is, do you?

You should seriously think to yourself and decide is this is really a hill that you want to die on. Your entire argument can be summed up in an Onion-esque headline: "White Foreigner Tries To Convince Black Men That Man Who Admitted He Was Racist is Not Racist."

C'mon man.

How many times do I have to tell you I'm not trying to convince you
of anything. You can think whatever the hell you want I'm not debating
your opinion of Hogan.

What I've been saying and what many other BLACK Hogan fans on
the internet are saying is they don't truly believe Hogan is racist
despite what he said.

So be salty all you want with me but it won't change my opinion of him
until I see more evidence.

What I've tried to do is open your mind up of the possibility of him not
being racist and you want to throw it on me or white people or whatever...

Bottom line dude is there is tons of black people and I'm not talking
about his black celebrity fans i'm talking about real fans out there that
think that exact same thing that I think and as much as you don't like it
or want to fathom it that's the truth.

I can't make my point any more clearer and we're at a point where
we're just talking like a broken record. It's a completely subjective
debate and I'm tired of talking about this so we agree to disagree.

[jvalverde88]

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Anytime I see people still defending Hogan:

[King_B_Mack]

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How many times do I have to tell you I'm not trying to convince you
of anything. You can think whatever the hell you want I'm not debating
your opinion of Hogan.

What I've been saying and what many other BLACK Hogan fans on
the internet are saying is they don't truly believe Hogan is racist
despite what he said.

So be salty all you want with me but it won't change my opinion of him
until I see more evidence.

What I've tried to do is open your mind up of the possibility of him not
being racist and you want to throw it on me or white people or whatever...

Bottom line dude is there is tons of black people and I'm not talking
about his black celebrity fans i'm talking about real fans out there that
think that exact same thing that I think and as much as you don't like it
or want to fathom it that's the truth.

I can't make my point any more clearer and we're at a point where
we're just talking like a broken record. It's a completely subjective
debate and I'm tired of talking about this so we agree to disagree.

You're saying you can't make your point any clearer and yet it still remains a cloudy, jumbled mess of nobody knows.

Let's just look strictly at the facts and opinions (the subjective stuff) of this whole thing.

Hulk Hogan said extremely racist things. Fact.
Hulk Hogan himself said that he is a racist. Fact.
Some people think that he is not racist. Opinion.

I don't really know what more needs to be discussed here. You're the equivalent of trying to somehow argue that it's possible 2+2 doesn't equal 4 simply because a few people agree with you that there's a chance that 4 is the wrong answer.

[aholbert32]

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I can't make my point any more clearer and we're at a point where
we're just talking like a broken record. It's a completely subjective
debate and I'm tired of talking about this so we agree to disagree.

I think you need to look up the definition of the word "subjective."

There is nothing subjective about Hogan calling his daughter's producer a "******".

There is nothing subjective about him saying he was a racist.

There is nothing subjective about him using "******" when talking to his son while he was in jail.

Also going back to a comment you made earlier, I didnt know that Hogan dresses like a black guy.

I didnt know that wearing a bandana to hide your balding, tight jeans and tank tops is an example of black culture. ****, I need to step my game up because that means I've never dressed like a black dude.

[Hassan Darkside]

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How many times do I have to tell you I'm not trying to convince you
of anything. You can think whatever the hell you want I'm not debating
your opinion of Hogan.

What I've been saying and what many other BLACK Hogan fans on
the internet are saying is they don't truly believe Hogan is racist
despite what he said.

So be salty all you want with me but it won't change my opinion of him
until I see more evidence.

What I've tried to do is open your mind up of the possibility of him not
being racist and you want to throw it on me or white people or whatever...

Bottom line dude is there is tons of black people and I'm not talking
about his black celebrity fans i'm talking about real fans out there that
think that exact same thing that I think and as much as you don't like it
or want to fathom it that's the truth.

I can't make my point any more clearer and we're at a point where
we're just talking like a broken record. It's a completely subjective
debate and I'm tired of talking about this so we agree to disagree.

I don't care if you have 90 opinions from 90 BLACK people with 90 degrees, your angle still isn't right. Your opinion is supported by the opinion of others. I'm just rehashing the facts, but you're asking me to open my mind to accept that the facts of the situation may be less factual than your contradicting opinion? Which is supported by your one black friend or the "many other" black fans you've discovered by hitting "ctrl-f" and typing in "I'm black but" in some comment section of some article about him?

You're really not much different than the agenda-pushing facebook revisionist history scholars that go around posting videos of this black guy who says the confederate flag doesn't represent racism; or the far-right-wing media member who pegs their token black associate to write an article critiquing the #BLM movement so when they condemn it, they can reference Token Black; or the people who say Bill Cosby didn't rape 40 women citing Whoopi Goldberg's defense of him--because she's a woman.

Somehow, you're the one who thinks he's in a position to demand evidence to oppose your stance, despite the existing evidence that opposes your stance? Let me break down what we have already for you since you seem to have drifted so far from the original topic that I'd probably find remnants of flight MH370 before I find your original point.

“I don’t know if Brooke was f*cking the black guy’s son,” Hulk raved, the sources add.

“I mean, I don’t have double standards. I mean, I am a racist, to a point, f*cking n*ggers. But then when it comes to nice people and sh*t, and whatever.” ...

Translation: I don't have double standards. I'm racist. If there was any doubt to my racism, allow me to add 'f*cking ******s'.
--Does that really need translation?

“I mean, I’d rather if she was going to f*ck some n*gger, I’d rather have her marry an 8-foot-tall n*gger worth a hundred million dollars! Like a basketball player!

Translation: I'm racist but if the situation presented itself where my daughter absolutely had to be in a relationship with a n*gger, she'd better marry a tall, rich n*gger, like a basketball player. Like the only black people I can stand. Like the only black people she could get something from if she divorced them. And please note how I said black guy's son when I started but now refer to blacks exclusively as n*ggers, you know, in case somebody didn't think I'm racist.

“I guess we’re all a little racist. ****ing n*gger.”

Translation: I'm racist and I've become ok with it because I know I'm not the only one. We're all racist right? Since it's my belief that we're all racist, it's okay for me to be that way. Oh yeah, ****ing n*gger.

Do you understand yet? He's not in the heat of competition "talking trash." He's clearly upset as his daughter's choice in the color of her partners.

So please, swallow your impotent opinion and stop trying to push a point that nobody's feeling. I'm going to be the bigger man and walk away from this because you sound like Eddie Murphy's character describing Shrek for the first time, talking out of your *** about something you know nothing about.

I couldn't care less if your opinion on Hogan changes or not. Your opinion on racism is what really needs to change. Go educate yourself. Because you have black friends doesn't mean you're not racist. Because you share the same opinion as some black people doesn't mean you're not racist. You should take a cue from Floyd Mayweather's mistakes and pick up a book instead of trying to fight all the time.

I'm done here, surprised this thread is still opened to be honest. Go get some prune juice to help you with your weak-*** ****.

[Trent Booty]

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I don't care if you have 90 opinions from 90 BLACK people with 90 degrees, your angle still isn't right. Your opinion is supported by the opinion of others. I'm just rehashing the facts, but you're asking me to open my mind to accept that the facts of the situation may be less factual than your contradicting opinion? Which is supported by your one black friend or the "many other" black fans you've discovered by hitting "ctrl-f" and typing in "I'm black but" in some comment section of some article about him?

You're really not much different than the agenda-pushing facebook revisionist history scholars that go around posting videos of this black guy who says the confederate flag doesn't represent racism; or the far-right-wing media member who pegs their token black associate to write an article critiquing the #BLM movement so when they condemn it, they can reference Token Black; or the people who say Bill Cosby didn't rape 40 women citing Whoopi Goldberg's defense of him--because she's a woman.

Somehow, you're the one who thinks he's in a position to demand evidence to oppose your stance, despite the existing evidence that opposes your stance? Let me break down what we have already for you since you seem to have drifted so far from the original topic that I'd probably find remnants of flight MH370 before I find your original point.


Translation: I don't have double standards. I'm racist. If there was any doubt to my racism, allow me to add 'f*cking ******s'.
--Does that really need translation?


Translation: I'm racist but if the situation presented itself where my daughter absolutely had to be in a relationship with a n*gger, she'd better marry a tall, rich n*gger, like a basketball player. Like the only black people I can stand. Like the only black people she could get something from if she divorced them. And please note how I said black guy's son when I started but now refer to blacks exclusively as n*ggers, you know, in case somebody didn't think I'm racist.


Translation: I'm racist and I've become ok with it because I know I'm not the only one. We're all racist right? Since it's my belief that we're all racist, it's okay for me to be that way. Oh yeah, ****ing n*gger.

Do you understand yet? He's not in the heat of competition "talking trash." He's clearly upset as his daughter's choice in the color of her partners.

So please, swallow your impotent opinion and stop trying to push a point that nobody's feeling. I'm going to be the bigger man and walk away from this because you sound like Eddie Murphy's character describing Shrek for the first time, talking out of your *** about something you know nothing about.

I couldn't care less if your opinion on Hogan changes or not. Your opinion on racism is what really needs to change. Go educate yourself. Because you have black friends doesn't mean you're not racist. Because you share the same opinion as some black people doesn't mean you're not racist. You should take a cue from Floyd Mayweather's mistakes and pick up a book instead of trying to fight all the time.

I'm done here, surprised this thread is still opened to be honest. Go get some prune juice to help you with your weak-*** ****.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[zrohman]

Re: Hulk Hogan Has Been Fired From the WWE and Will Not Appear in WWE 2K16

I think a few things should be said:

1: He made extremely inappropriate comments. It's pretty easy to determine at that time he was racist.

2: it's unfortunate for anyone to get fired but the WWE had every right. They were protecting their image and brand. Persian I think the WWE is about money and they will exploit rave to make money.. But regardless any business has the right to terminate a relationship, even over something old.

3: as a white person I understand I need to be sympathetic and understanding towards other races in time of racial conflict. Let other races vent rather than arguing with them in their anger. They are angry for good reason normally.. Even if evidence doesn't always back up every claim... We need to understand that there is such a thing as white privilege.. Even if we don't always see it where we come from..

4: It is your prerogative, purely up to you, to forgive. It's nearly been 10 years since these comments. We get mad when people don't want to forgive but it's not our decision. And we can't argue people into a corner forcing them to forgive.. Personally, I know when you're drunk you won't even remember what happened... You will say crazy things... With how drunk Riley Cooper was I personally think he could have said anything.. It was dead wrong.. He deserved punishment... At the same time I can't just demand everyone devices him.. People have a lot of built up hurt over the years.. There is a lot of racial tension and I can't expect resonate to forgive right away, or ever..

Same with Hogan... No idea if he is racist... He definitely could have changed.. But many are hurt from years of years of racial hurts.. And I can't expect them to come around and forgive, especially when we haven't seen any huge public apology or anything like that.. Even if he did, forgiveness is an individual thing.... Holding resentment towards blacks who are slow to forgive is wrong. We need to sympathize with hurting people, and let them forgive on their timing.. Not argue them to death about why they have to forgive.. That arguing will only lead to more of a racial divide..

I just hope whites can get the same grace when they post a little ignorantly, from their perspective...

This isn't a indictment on anyone... I read most of the thread as a whole for the first time today

[MFLB410]

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This whole situation is messed up honestly.

[StevenSD]

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This is still being talked about?