An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

[VDusen04]

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Huh....higher than 100?

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[Luke Skywalker]

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I don't think this new rating scale has any logic ... the NBA had rule changes, therefore players can score easily. Defense is softer than the 80s. It is even said by some that LeBron James would be an average player in yesterday's NBA. This is why it will not work. Unless you have special sliders to represent the eras.

[ayoooo]

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I don't think this new rating scale has any logic ... the NBA had rule changes, therefore players can score easily. Defense is softer than the 80s. It is even said by some that LeBron James would be an average player in yesterday's NBA. This is why it will not work. Unless you have special sliders to represent the eras.

Defenses are better today than in the 80s and it's not even close. And if anyone tells you that LeBron would be average in yesterdays NBA... well, they're wrong.

Love the new changes to the rating systems. Everyone was over inflated. They had a scale from 1-99, why not use the full thing? Everyone was good in an area was in the 90s so you could barely notice any difference between players.

There should be a notable difference when Rodman is on the court, compared to someone like Cody Zeller. But it really wasn't a major difference.

[JohnnyCash2015]

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FWIW, rodman has never felt like rodman in 2k.



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[Wildcats302]

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I don't think this new rating scale has any logic ... the NBA had rule changes, therefore players can score easily. Defense is softer than the 80s. It is even said by some that LeBron James would be an average player in yesterday's NBA. This is why it will not work. Unless you have special sliders to represent the eras.

Who are these some? LOL. Ridiculous.

[DTHEGAWD]

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How is KD only a 91? Steph better not have a higher rating than LeBron too, LeBron deserved a 95 his RS stats weren't as good as past year's due to injuries and adjusting to a new system but he was sensational in the playoffs.

I always tinker with the ratings and make my own roster when the game comes out actually analyzing advanced stats and shooting charts so it really doesn't matter to me.

Also, why is that scrub Dellavadova a 71 he deserves nothing above a 69...

2K will make '98 Michael Jordan a 99 and then give players like LBJ and KD who were better than him by that point less than a 95 c'mon a lot of these historical players are overpowered if we're being real yet they set the bar.

[DTHEGAWD]

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I don't think this new rating scale has any logic ... the NBA had rule changes, therefore players can score easily. Defense is softer than the 80s. It is even said by some that LeBron James would be an average player in yesterday's NBA. This is why it will not work. Unless you have special sliders to represent the eras.

Stop listening to biased geezers the game planning and strategics defensively are on another level than the 80's and every statistic related to defense in the NBA is lower low than it was then.

LeBron would be a monster in the 80's his stats would be higher due to pace.

[BluFu]

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All of the benchmarks are determined, by advanced stats (and other data if advanced stats weren't available at that time). Rodman was just an example to help explain conceptually how the system works.

Two things that are gonna determine the success of this.

1. The strictness of this system (for current nba players). Completely based on stats and not reputation. Let the casuals cry.

2. How well this translates into sim stats. If this ensures Jason Smith isn't leading the league in BPG, Damian Lillard isn't recording 9+ APG, Westbrook isn't a 50% shooter, and Drummond will dominate the offensive glass, I'm all for it.

[raiderphantom]

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How is KD only a 91? Steph better not have a higher rating than LeBron too, LeBron deserved a 95 his RS stats weren't as good as last year's due to injuries and adjusting to a new system but he was sensational in the playoffs.

I always tinker with the ratings and make my own roster when the game comes out actually analyzing advanced stats and shooting charts so it really doesn't matter to me.

Also, why is that scrub Dellavadova a 71 he deserves nothing above a 69...

2K will make '98 Michael Jordan a 99 and then give players like LBJ and KD who were better than him by that point less than a 95 c'mon a lot of these historical players are overpowered if we're being real yet they set the bar.

I respect that you use metrics to rate players and have some knowledge of roster making but I don't understand these type of posts. How do you know 2K hasn't altered the overall formula or added more attributes? You already have it narrowed down to the exact overall?

[DTHEGAWD]

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If it's based on advanced stats than Anthony Davis would be the highest rated player in the game...

If it's based on advanced stats '98 MJ isn't a 99

If it's really based on advanced stats how did a player with a single digit PER, who shot damn near 35% in the season and who despite his efforts projects as an average defender like Dellavedova get a 71 overall?

[lakers24]

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If it's based on advanced stats than Anthony Davis would be the highest rated player in the game...

If it's based on advanced stats '98 MJ isn't a 99

If it's really based on advanced stats how did a player with a single digit PER, who shot damn near 35% in the season and who despite his efforts projects as an average defender like Dellavedova get a 71 overall?

Just because it's based on it, that doesn't mean it makes up the entire formula.

[DTHEGAWD]

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I respect that you use metrics to rate players and have some knowledge of roster making but I don't understand these type of posts. How do you know 2K hasn't altered the overall formula or added more attributes? You already have it narrowed down to the exact overall?

I don't know that I'm guessing they haven't because it's been pretty much the same for years. Those are ratings I came up with at the end of the '15 season.

[Luke Skywalker]

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I can only imagine what my favorite NBA player Deron Williams will be rated in 2K16 ... probably low-to-mod 70s ... I like this idea though, helps out a lot with simulation statistics. Imagine if Madden or other video games followed this same concept?

[QNo]

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This is really exciting, should make the game a lot better if it works out as well as it sounds. It would seem reasonable to me to have a few players have 99 rating in some instances, especially when they played in different eras.

Wilt Chamberlain is easily the strongest player of all times, but I'd also give Shaq a 99 rating since he was the player to use his strength to his advantage much more because of the way the refereeing has changed over the years. If you watch old film you notice that the refs are very quick to call offensive fouls for what we would consider harmless contact.

There is also an inherent difficulty in comparing eras. Despite the common conception that Wilt played against tiny white Cs while Shaq had to battle through the golden C era, Wilt played against great Cs much more often since the league was much smaller back then. See e.g. https://twitter.com/WiltCArchive/sta...21329528610817

This also applies to comparing other stats, such as the already discussed rebounding issue. Stats, no matter how advanced, can only be used to compare players of the same era since they would face a roughly similar competition and ruleset.

[GSW]

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This is really exciting, should make the game a lot better if it works out as well as it sounds. It would seem reasonable to me to have a few players have 99 rating in some instances, especially when they played in different eras.

Wilt Chamberlain is easily the strongest player of all times, but I'd also give Shaq a 99 rating since he was the player to use his strength to his advantage much more because of the way the refereeing has changed over the years. If you watch old film you notice that the refs are very quick to call offensive fouls for what we would consider harmless contact.

There is also an inherent difficulty in comparing eras. Despite the common conception that Wilt played against tiny white Cs while Shaq had to battle through the golden C era, Wilt played against great Cs much more often since the league was much smaller back then. See e.g. https://twitter.com/WiltCArchive/sta...21329528610817

This also applies to comparing other stats, such as the already discussed rebounding issue. Stats, no matter how advanced, can only be used to compare players of the same era since they would face a roughly similar competition and ruleset.

Yea,

I want to see how this plays out into the physical attributes. Who has the highest vertical? Are we saying that Raptors Vince Carter is the pinnacle? How do you measure speed/quickness/agility/"awareness" etc..

Seems like guess work is taken out of the stats ratings but physical attributes are going to be somewhat biased, no?