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  • Sundown
    MVP
    • Oct 2010
    • 3274

    #106
    Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

    Originally posted by WISports
    I could at least be an advisor. They'd still do the technical work.


    Here's how it would go.


    Me looking at 2K player model: "Hey guys, Whiteside isn't nearly that wide. Look at this pic I have here for reference". Or, "Hey, fellas. Why does AD's elbow look like a knee? Here's a quick pic of what an actual elbow looks like".


    And so on...


    Like I said, they lack attention to detail, big time. The Pistons jersey is just another example. Stop making excuses for them.
    Heh. There's no job in the industry that's just complaining about others' work. They can get that for free on the internet. Heck they're getting your services right now.

    And as someone who works with artists and is fortunate to be able to offer artistic critique, there's only so much you can do if you can't provide assistance on some of the technical work yourself, or instruct them as precisely as possible on how to achieve it technically. Saying "the chest is too big" is way less helpful than knowing how the rig and skinning setup works, how these bones are scaled uniquely across players, whether an adjustment to the base setup would work and whether that will throw off measurements for players that are already correct, or whether a pass has to be made for all 400+ players, and whether the time budget allows for that given all the other things that need fixes (though I think it's well worth it).

    Saying "this is what an elbow looks like" is way less helpful than knowing arm anatomy and elbow bone structure, why the skinning is deforming the way it is, whether the mesh topology can be adjusted without major impact to the art pipeline, whether it looks as if the bone is just not being expressed when the mesh deforms or whether the problem is in the muscle morph targets. The reality is probably even more complicated than this.

    Someone who just points out flaws for free isn't an employee. They're customers. Critique that isn't precise, instructive, and technically well-versed isn't constructive. It's just normal feedback, and sometimes noise.

    However, there is a fair amount of detail that's missed for a game whose' focus is authenticity, like the sizing of fonts and design elements on uniforms, or the appearance of colors. The art direction needs to be more stringent on that.
    Last edited by Sundown; 08-22-2015, 08:25 PM.

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    • 23
      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66563

      #107
      Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

      I think anyone interested in art can say in the future id like to see if they can improve this or that.

      The tone of the thread today was cool even with those that weren't happy with everything.

      Its just when you come in talking about its fat, and its gonna make your hair turn colors, and there are no excuses, and call me up because I know better that it begins to go beyond the norm of just I dont like it.

      And not just here other threads as well. All of the anger is unwarranted.

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      • Sundown
        MVP
        • Oct 2010
        • 3274

        #108
        Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

        Originally posted by jackzagal


        The contrast in this latest shot of Thomas seems a bit too high. It's starting to look a tiny bit plasticky like the other game. i know some people think this looks better because it's more eye catching, but as you can see in the side by side photo, the darks are too pronounced and the ambient and global illumination seems too low in shadowed areas. You can see the difference compared to a real arena lighting environment in the armpits and under the chin.

        I quite like how 2K had set up their ambient and global illumination. It gives the players a lifelike presence. I hope they were able to turn up the specular highlights without depressing the ambient brightness artificially. That old school oily look is starting to come back, though the balance seems to be improved in the other shots.
        Last edited by Sundown; 08-22-2015, 08:38 PM.

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        • TheRealMrRager_
          Rookie
          • Aug 2014
          • 32

          #109
          Whiteside is better than Gobert lol.

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          • JBulls
            Rookie
            • Sep 2013
            • 495

            #110
            Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

            Originally posted by WISports


            Gray uniform vs white uniform
            The jersey looks gray because of the lighting system which is being/has been addressed according to a post by SimBaller in the Kevin Durant screenshot thread. Check out the KD screen if you haven't already and you'll see the difference in the lighting and therefore jersey compared to the Drummond screen.

            The real life pic that you used seems to be flash photography though, which always makes things look way brighter than they are.

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            • madmax52277
              Banned
              • Nov 2014
              • 443

              #111
              Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

              Looking at the pics, doesn't it seems like they lighting up on the graphics? the art work are upgraded looks great, but the graphics itself looks downgraded..maybe to give better physics and movement. but the way how 2k balance it off, it looks better then 2k15 almost life like, 3D-ish.

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              • swac07
                MVP
                • Feb 2007
                • 1841

                #112
                Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

                Originally posted by JBulls
                The jersey looks gray because of the lighting system which is being/has been addressed according to a post by SimBaller in the Kevin Durant screenshot thread. Check out the KD screen if you haven't already and you'll see the difference in the lighting and therefore jersey compared to the Drummond screen.

                The real life pic that you used seems to be flash photography though, which always makes things look way brighter than they are.
                I was looking at that as well ....I agree, the KD jersey that was posted yesterday is "white" so that drummond screen might've been from an earlier lighting build
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                • WISports
                  Banned
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 2065

                  #113
                  Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

                  Originally posted by 23
                  I don't over praise or over like everything but im sorry

                  You're just complaining again as usual and you've earned the reputation at this point.
                  Answer me this. Do you think my complaints have any merit?


                  Here's what I've always had issue with (going back to 2K15).


                  -Lighting
                  -Body proportions
                  -Oversized uniforms


                  All 3 of those you yourself has had issues with as well. So I'm not seeing the issue here.


                  When a new pic is released, and I see things still aren't improved, of course I'm gonna mention it. I don't get why that's such a huge deal.

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                  • lvnba
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 338

                    #114
                    Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

                    PLEASE MORE. Hype is getting real.
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                    • countryboy
                      Growing pains
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 52632

                      #115
                      Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

                      Originally posted by WISports
                      Answer me this. Do you think my complaints have any merit?


                      Here's what I've always had issue with (going back to 2K15).


                      -Lighting
                      -Body proportions
                      -Oversized uniforms


                      All 3 of those you yourself has had issues with as well. So I'm not seeing the issue here.


                      When a new pic is released, and I see things still aren't improved, of course I'm gonna mention it. I don't get why that's such a huge deal.
                      The issue isn't that you are seeing things that in your opinion aren't up to par, its how you go about it and casting this idea that anyone who disagrees is flat out wrong, that the devs simply don't care, and giving the impression that if you were in charge then everything would be 100% perfect.
                      I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                      I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                      • eko718
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 2260

                        #116
                        Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot of Spencer Dinwiddie

                        I'm liking all these images, looking so much better than the earlier pics. Very nice.

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                        • Eman5805
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 3547

                          #117
                          Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot of Spencer Dinwiddie

                          Wow. Are those veins in Rudy Gobert's arms kinda blueish in tint?

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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29854

                            #118
                            Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

                            Gobert looks amazing.. Pretty sure I can see the veins in his arm. Incredible


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                            • thedream2k16
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 651

                              #119
                              Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

                              Originally posted by WISports
                              Answer me this. Do you think my complaints have any merit?


                              Here's what I've always had issue with (going back to 2K15).


                              -Lighting
                              -Body proportions
                              -Oversized uniforms


                              All 3 of those you yourself has had issues with as well. So I'm not seeing the issue here.


                              When a new pic is released, and I see things still aren't improved, of course I'm gonna mention it. I don't get why that's such a huge deal.
                              Just stop man. Seems you are fishing for a debate . You know 23 has a limit before you are on vacation.

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                              • stillfeelme
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 2411

                                #120
                                Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day One: Isaiah Thomas, Andre Drummond & More

                                Originally posted by TheRealMrRager_
                                Whiteside is better than Gobert lol.

                                I don't think it is bad either way but I think Whiteside currently is better than Gorbert. Whiteside appears to be a better rebounder and has shown a better offensive post game. Defensively they are both good but you could argue Gorbert is slightly better defensively but Whiteside is very close to him there and is no slouch.
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