An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

[Real2KInsider]

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You play whose infront of you, sure. That's a given. Not sure how that refuted the point that players, especially of his caliber choose which conference they play in. Not to say "playing in the west is the only way he'll get my respect", but he's clearly chosen the easier path to the finals.

So did Michael Jordan.

Posts like this are what's wrong with sports fans.

Respect? Nah I'd rather nitpick meaningless BS. This is the barstool equivalent of 26.5 PER vs 26.4 PER.

[2_headedmonster]

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So did Michael Jordan.

Posts like this are what's wrong with sports fans.

Respect? Nah I'd rather nitpick meaningless BS. This is the barstool equivalent of 26.5 PER vs 26.4 PER.

Jordan chose to stay with the Bulls, yes. I guess we're stating the obvious *shrugs*.

Im also guessing you're saying that to drop the mic on a would be Lebron *****/Jordan lover. Not quite.

"post like this"...what exactly about this post is wrong? The legitimate point? lol. I hate when people do that. Im not sure playing in a conference with half the 50-win teams as the other is "nit-picking".

on-topic:

I want to see what the role players on the classic teams are rated. And is John Starks 3 still over-rated.

[bamalam]

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I would also call Moses Malone as the best offensive rebounder in history.

Moses was well known for padding those offensive boards in his day.

[hear me now]

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I don't think this means the top guy in the stat always has 99. They set the standard. He wrote that Rodman is just an example. You think the top three point shooter, or shooters should have 99? That's basically saying they never miss. We just saw Curry have a cold streak in the finals.

[ojandpizza]

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Moses was well known for padding those offensive boards in his day.

Rodman did the same. He almost always gave up 2-4 inches when he was moved to a power forward and would be credited rebounds when he tapped the ball up away so he could secure it on the second jump.


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[SaruAqua]

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Jordan chose to stay with the Bulls, yes. I guess we're stating the obvious *shrugs*.

Im also guessing you're saying that to drop the mic on a would be Lebron *****/Jordan lover. Not quite.

"post like this"...what exactly about this post is wrong? The legitimate point? lol. I hate when people do that. Im not sure playing in a conference with half the 50-win teams as the other is "nit-picking".

on-topic:

I want to see what the role players on the classic teams are rated. And is John Starks 3 still over-rated.

This. Lol at comparing the east in Jordan's day to now.


In the 80's/90's, the East was equivalent to what the west is today. As great as they were, are we forgetting that the '87 Lakers had to beat the 37 win Nuggets, 42 win Warriors, and 39 win Sonics just to get to the Finals from the west? Now, of course they bet the Bird-led Celtics so it essentially somewhat doesn't make their competition look as lopsided but it shows that their road TO THE Finals wasn't that tough. Or the fact that the '91-'93/'96-'98 Bulls had to beat five 57+ win teams ('92 Cavs, '93 Knicks, '96 Magic, '97 Heat, '98 Pacers) just to get to the Finals? And I mean BEAT them, not just face them.


People always point out that Jordan was 1-9 in the P/O before Pippen came, completely ignoring the fact that Pippen was a role player in '88 and '89 while the Bulls got to the ECSF and ECF, losing both times to Detroit. When MJ got swept in '86 and '87, it was by those same Bird-led Celtics that were on the same tier as the Showtime Lakers adding to the equation that Orlando "Crackhead" Woolridge and Charles Oakley were the Bulls' 2nd options.


Is it LeBron's fault that the East is so weak right now? No.
Are we blaming him? No.


But to blatantly ignore how easy the road to the Finals from the East is and kiss LBJ's feet for shooting 40%FG vs the Bulls and Hawks is ignorance. His 3 previous runs were greater because of his greater play (efficiency), particularly '11 when the Heat beat the 56 win Celtics and 62 win Bulls.

[bamalam]

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Rodman did the same. He almost always gave up 2-4 inches when he was moved to a power forward and would be credited rebounds when he tapped the ball up away so he could secure it on the second jump.


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just opinion - eye test -I take rodman hands down.
moses threw up some ugly "shots' by the hundreds where he was in position to get his own rebounds.


nice to know we will have roster options and editing as always to rate as we each want.

[ReyTV]

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Yooo what ya talking about? [emoji102]


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[Real2KInsider]

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This. Lol at comparing the east in Jordan's day to now.

Or the fact that the '91-'93/'96-'98 Bulls had to beat five 57+ win teams ('92 Cavs, '93 Knicks, '96 Magic, '97 Heat, '98 Pacers) just to get to the Finals? And I mean BEAT them, not just face them.

This is a funny comment to make considering only one of those teams (93 Knicks) had a better record than the Bulls. The 96 Bulls were 12-games better than the 96 Magic, LOL that pretty much meets your criteria for "just facing them".

WEST 50+ Win Teams
1991: Blazers (63), Lakers (58), Spurs (55), Suns (55), Jazz (54), Rockets (52)
1992: Blazers (57), Jazz (55), Warriors (55), Suns (53)
1993: Suns (62), Rockets (55), Sonics (55), Blazers (51)
1994: Sonics (63), Rockets (58), Suns (56), Spurs (55), Jazz (53), Warriors (50)
1995: Spurs (62), Jazz (60), Suns (59), Spurs (57)
1996: Sonics (64), Spurs (59), Jazz (55), Lakers (53)
1997: Jazz (64), Sonics (57), Rockets (57), Lakers (56)
1998: Jazz (62), Sonics (61), Lakers (61), Suns (56), Spurs (56)

EAST 50+ Win Teams
1991: Bulls (61), Celtics (56), Pistons (50)
1992: Bulls (67), Cavaliers (57), Celtics (51), Knicks (51)
1993: Knicks (60), Bulls (57), Cavaliers (54)
1994: Hawks (57), Knicks (57), Bulls (55), Magic (50)
1995: Magic (57), Knicks (55), Pacers (52), Hornets (50)
1996: Bulls (72), Magic (60), Pacers (52)
1997: Bulls (69), Heat (61), Knicks (57), Hawks (56), Pistons (54), Hornets (54)
1998: Bulls (62), Pacers (58), Heat (55), Hornets (51), Hawks (50)

There is no question which conference was tougher in the 90s. If we elevate the criteria to 55+ wins it gets laughable. Aside from 1997 the west was better every single time.

The Bulls beat one GOOD team in the east each year but not GREAT teams. There's a reason why a different west team made it to the Finals each year while the Bulls were never seriously challenged out east.

But to blatantly ignore how easy the road to the Finals from the East is and kiss LBJ's feet for shooting 40%FG vs the Bulls and Hawks is ignorance. His 3 previous runs were greater because of his greater play (efficiency), particularly '11 when the Heat beat the 56 win Celtics and 62 win Bulls.

The Cavs (53 wins) swept a 60-win team. With Kevin Love sidelined and Kyrie Irving hobbled/missing games. Compare that to any road Jordan took to the Finals in the 90s and you'll see which way the ignorance flows.

Nostalgia is a funny thing.

[Trackball]

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The Bulls beat one GOOD team in the east each year but not GREAT teams. There's a reason why a different west team made it to the Finals each year while the Bulls were never seriously challenged out east.

So what does that make the 1995 Rockets?

To get to the Finals, they had to beat the three teams with the three best records in the league: Jazz had 60 wins, Suns had 59, Spurs had 62. Then they swept the Magic, who had 57.

The Rockets were seeded sixth. Lowest-seeded champion in league history.

Yet even to this day, people say "So what? No Jordan." Uh, who did the Magic beat in the second round?

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I apologize. It's just, seeing them win it on live TV back then, two years in a row, was some of the happiest memories of my childhood. Hearing those champion Rockets teams get so disrespected today (and even AT THE TIME) just...grinds my gears, to coin a phrase.

[thedream2k16]

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There real test to this new logic is kobe bryant. He hasn't shot a high % from the field or played much in the last 2 seasons due to injuries. With him being the OLD kobe , will he play like his NBA stats suggest? or will be be the kobe from 8 years ago?

37% from field 29% from 3

[Trackball]

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There real test to this new logic is kobe bryant. He hasn't shot a high % from the field or played much in the last 2 seasons due to injuries. With him being the OLD kobe , will he play like his NBA stats suggest? or will be be the kobe from 8 years ago?

37% from field 29% from 3

One of the things I do love about 2K, especially MyCareer, is that it punishes you for playing like Kobe has lately.

The Teammate Grade is a wonderful thing.

I remember playing 2K11, my first 2K in years, and once getting an F in a draft combine game! Then I got quite the lecture from the 2K Insider as the main screen turn on--I mean, as the game ended and the MyPlayer hub loaded back up.

I've learned my lesson since then, of course.

[Sundown]

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One of the things I do love about 2K, especially MyCareer, is that it punishes you for playing like Kobe has lately.



The Teammate Grade is a wonderful thing.



I remember playing 2K11, my first 2K in years, and once getting an F in a draft combine game! Then I got quite the lecture from the 2K Insider as the main screen turn on--I mean, as the game ended and the MyPlayer hub loaded back up.



I've learned my lesson since then, of course.

Mike mentioned team chemistry is more important this year. I really hope it means it's what I've wanted for some time-- good shot distribution and expected touches needed to keep teammates involved and humming in a game in all modes, and players who are frozen out being cold and upset. And I want this in ALL games and modes.

This would affect everything holistically for the better, from better game to game simulation, to more realistic MyCareer, to a more realistic approach to team building in association-- to even MyTeam, so you can't just build a team full of superstars. I want to see attempting that being a challenging endeavor itself, just like it is in real life.

Holy nuts. 37% and sub 30 from three. I'd give Kobe a 78 just to be generous.

[stillfeelme]

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I was just thinking about these ratings and dunking. How do they justify who is the 99 dunker?

Wilkins
Jordan
Vince
Dr. J

Good luck Beds lol.

I guess I will start who I think will be the 99's in some of these things

Post offense: Hakeem
Post Control: Hakeem


Steals: Tony Allen 2014-15 His steal % is just absurd he might get dinged because they usually base some of these ratings off of more than one year. Without knowing all the classic teams it should be him

On ball defense: Dennis Rodman early career Detroit years. His footwork and recovery was just special just a true pest. A chance this is an early Jordan both won DPOY

Hustle: Dennis Rodman

Post Fade: Jordan Signature move

Moving 3pt: Steph Curry

Passing: Magic. I know Stockon might have had some better years with the assist but Magic is the best passer to me flashy and non flashy.

Blocking: Early Mutumbo if one of those Denver teams are in.

[Real2KInsider]

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So what does that make the 1995 Rockets?

To get to the Finals, they had to beat the three teams with the three best records in the league: Jazz had 60 wins, Suns had 59, Spurs had 62. Then they swept the Magic, who had 57.

The Rockets were seeded sixth. Lowest-seeded champion in league history.

Yet even to this day, people say "So what? No Jordan." Uh, who did the Magic beat in the second round?

...

I apologize. It's just, seeing them win it on live TV back then, two years in a row, was some of the happiest memories of my childhood. Hearing those champion Rockets teams get so disrespected today (and even AT THE TIME) just...grinds my gears, to coin a phrase.

I am not exactly sure what this is implying or taking out of context. The 95 Rockets stand as one of the greatest accomplishments in NBA history, but they do stand as a hiccup of a formative era that will never happen again (one that the Bulls likewise tie into).

While some look at the past with rose-tinted goggles I personally think the college 3pt line of the 1995-97 made the NBA a bonafide joke. I loved the NBA at this time, but I was simply too too young to understand how unbalanced it made the league. It is not a surprise that the Bulls won 72/69 games subsequently in 96 and 97 and that no team has come close.

Jordan 3PT
Short Line (95-97): 238-589 (40.4%, 1.3 per game)
Normal Line: 343-1189 (28.8%, 0.3 per game)

Nothing else needs to be said about what a monumental change it was and how meaningless it renders any accomplishments with regard to historical context. People will talk about the 72 win team forever as the greatest but the irony is this season's Warriors team (who came up in discussions, due to their coach) would have decimated the league 20 years ago under the rules back then.

People will often put the 80s/90s on a pedestal but the league was still figuring itself out from a variety of competitive balance standpoints. The 95 Rockets were good/lucky. It certainly shouldn't be lost that they won the championship in 94, but giving credence to an anomaly is counterproductive when no other 6th seed in history has ever been close to being a contender. It's like freaking out over the 99 Knicks being disrespected if we were to talk about 8th seed teams not being any good.