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  • StefJoeHalt
    MVP
    • Feb 2014
    • 1058

    #1

    There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

    I been saying this for years but there need to be more explosion to the edge for DE's/OLB's/edge players..below I have attached a video of what I mean..but also very good OT's need to be able to "ride" these Edge players wide..which would create a true pocket..I know others have always preached this like LBz..but this year it seems extremely nerf



    Now here is the other side of it..also once a Edge player or any DL beats his man..the OL NEED to continue to fight or at least try..no auto win/auto lose



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  • EJ_Manuel
    Banned
    • Jul 2008
    • 464

    #2
    Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

    Pass rush is totally nurfed. You ain't getting there with 4. 3? Even with me sending Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews? HA.

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    • Senator Palmer
      MVP
      • Jul 2008
      • 3314

      #3
      Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

      Agreed. The edge rushers are not exploding upfield with enough consistency. Instead of exploding toward the tackle's outside shoulder, I see way too much them trying to put on a stutter-step type of move before engaging. And then once they are engaged they are just as likely to be stoned as they are continue to move.

      I know there were a lot of complaints about the amount of sacks, but I thought they were on the right track last year. The sack numbers were more a function of the poor QB A.I. imo...
      "A man can only be beaten in two ways: if he gives up, or if he dies."

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      • Postman17
        Rookie
        • Aug 2003
        • 369

        #4
        Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

        Everything is toned down when it comes to the dline. The days of the scrambling QB are back. contain is garbage in this game.
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        • brandon27
          MVP
          • Aug 2008
          • 1980

          #5
          Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

          Agreed. With Suh I get pressure up the middle which feels like it's about the right amount. Switch to Wake and rush from the DE position, nothing. No pressure whatsoever. Cant even drive the RT back to form what would even be a pocket.


          I haven't simmed a season at all, but I'd be curious to see if DE's are registering sacks during sims at least. It really seems as if its impossible to get manual pass rush from the DE positions, in comparison to DT.
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          • Postman17
            Rookie
            • Aug 2003
            • 369

            #6
            Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

            They were taking steps forward and now went two steps back. Its very aggravating to not be able to get to the QB.
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            • TombSong
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 2543

              #7
              Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

              You guys don't know what yah talking about. This is the best madden Evah !
              Even with 30% more patty cake by the oline/dline.

              Seriously though, Untill they change the way players move and interact with each other, and finally figure out how to get the oline to pass protect, we are NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER gonna see whats in those vids.

              What you see in those vids wont be possible until 2008.....in another game.

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              • Dj_MyTime
                Pro
                • May 2012
                • 613

                #8
                Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

                Just wondering are you guys playing on All-Madden?

                I've been running scrimmages on All-Madden and my ends get 1-3 sacks a game, and my DT's are in the mix as well. Very rarely send more than 5.

                However for our league I'm sure we'll adjust Pass Blocking to help with consistency, but the rush is there from what I've seen at least on All-Madden H2H.

                Now against the CPU that is another story.
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                • StefJoeHalt
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 1058

                  #9
                  Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

                  Originally posted by Dj_MyTime
                  Just wondering are you guys playing on All-Madden?

                  I've been running scrimmages on All-Madden and my ends get 1-3 sacks a game, and my DT's are in the mix as well. Very rarely send more than 5.

                  However for our league I'm sure we'll adjust Pass Blocking to help with consistency, but the rush is there from what I've seen at least on All-Madden H2H.

                  Now against the CPU that is another story.

                  It's not that sacks can't be had..it that there is..1. No push for the line..2 no true speed rush to the outside shoulder..3 it's either win or lose..there is no "battle" Oline just give up


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                  • rspencer86
                    MIB Crew
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 8807

                    #10
                    Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

                    Originally posted by StefJoeHalt
                    It's not that sacks can't be had..it that there is..1. No push for the line..2 no true speed rush to the outside shoulder..3 it's either win or lose..there is no "battle" Oline just give up
                    Yes, yes, yes. This is exactly it.

                    Pocket does not collapse at all. You are either being 100% blocked or you release and have a free path to the QB. Not realistic.
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                    • Allball76
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2015
                      • 512

                      #11
                      Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

                      My league will be playing all madden and were just adjusting the sliders down some and with the sliders we got pass rush right and cpu and user run game feeling good ! i think cpu pass block around 40 to 44 you get pressure and get in but a good tackle can slow u up on 44 slider . but with JJ Watt or
                      Wake you ll get pressure maybe a sack or 2 a game depending on the tackle your face and the QB if hes holding the ball a lil !

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                      • BaylorBearBryant
                        Sic 'em Bears!
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 1536

                        #12
                        Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

                        I was getting pressure with Robert Quinn and Vic Beasley so I'm not sure I follow.




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                        • Quint75
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 3304

                          #13
                          Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

                          I am dumbfounded to see that they took out sliders for pass rushing and pass blocking. Typical EA bullspit.
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                          • suh90beast
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 364

                            #14
                            Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

                            I get been plenty of sacks in draft champions tho.

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                            • extremeskins04
                              That's top class!
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 3868

                              #15
                              Re: There needs to be better outside speed rush DL

                              Change some sliders guys.

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