NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

[24ct]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

Bruh. They're not making ratings from his playoff performance. It's my impression it's based off the whole year/body of work total. If they're only using finals performance for ratings then by your standards Iggy should be an 88 at the very least lol.

If they used his playoff stats for ratings. LeBron would lead the league in rebounds lol. Or at least be top 3/5. This isn't a bash LeBron thread. I mean I get ppl still don't like dude for what he accomplished/hasn't or whatever but to say a 94 is a good rating based on his Finals performance makes 0 sense to me and seems as if you're just using that because you're not a fan of his game in general.

LeBron last year was still more effective and efficient than a lot of players younger. As far as all time greats he was still one of the greatest players ever in a "down" season where he was still top 5 in scoring and top 15 in assists lol.

Like I said I don't put much into overalls but if it's any indication of the rest of the ratings how does Durant get a 91? I'm just curious to see what AD, Curry, Westbrook and Harden are.

Obviously the PGs are weighted because ball handle speed and passing for them ups there ratings significantly but this will be interesting to see.

[WaddupCouzin]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

They straight gave Kobe a 2-3 year pass. He had one of the worst shot selections I can recall last season.

The only rating I can see Kobe still being rated high was in his turnaround fades. He should have bad on ball defense and any other athletic ratings. Then you add on his injury ratings man lol.

When you are 37 there is a huge difference than being 34 ask any athlete. I mean he is coming back from an injury that is known to completely change your game if not end it on the wrong side of the end of his career. He was noticeable slower last season than 2 seasons ago and also limited offensively. Some ratings should not be given a 2 year pass though

I want the bad shot selection Kobe with the 37% jump shooter and defensively limited

Well, When it comes to "shot selection" I don't think anyone has worse shot selection then KD and Westbrook, they just make the shots, but from a shot selection stand point they're no bueno.

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[24ct]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

You didn't watch Larry Bird.

Did you even read the post? I said he was great offensively. After that it says he was a good team defender but not so good 1 on 1.

If by any stretch of the imagination you think he's a good 1 on 1 defender then you probably didn't watch too much Bird either lol.

[swac07]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

Lmao yall really going in on ratings u can "re-edit" yourselves....all I gotta say is be glad that option IS there

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[24ct]

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Well, When it comes to "shot selection" I don't think anyone has worse shot selection then KD and Westbrook, they just make the shots, but from a shot selection stand point they're no bueno.

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Difference between shot selection and FG%. Kobe has always taken terrible shots IMO. He just used to make them and he usually shot around 43/44% which is acceptable but not godly. 2k doesn't have a shot selection rating but if they did I'm sure kd & russ would be right up there with Kobe.

Considering Durant & Westbrook, I agree but the thing is Kobe shot a terrible percentage because he took terrible shots on a terrible team. Westbrook & KD actually shoot a decent percentage given their shot selections and team bailout shots. Game winners, end of quarters/shot clock cheese lol.

Not to mention KD & Russie are still super young. Like 10 years younger than Kobe so athleticism will take them a long way as far as ratings and performance.

[24ct]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

Lmao yall really going in on ratings u can "re-edit" yourselves....all I gotta say is be glad that option IS there

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You can't edit ratings & play online team up & quick games. That's really why most ppl are going in. Look what happened last year when guys had 90+ 3 pt ratings etc etc. Even a strong 75/85 3 would net 3s consistently. It messes up the mechanics of the game when the players ratings are all jaked.

[swac07]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

You can't edit ratings & play online team up & quick games. That's really why most ppl are going in. Look what happened last year when guys had 90+ 3 pt ratings etc etc. Even a strong 75/85 3 would net 3s consistently. It messes up the mechanics of the game when the players ratings are all jaked.

Realtalk ratings and playing online is a just a headache with any sports title..guess thats why i barely invest in it.seems to be moreso "user based" and less "player ratings based" when it should be a combo of both..feel ya pain though.

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[MoneyOvaHuds]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

Well, When it comes to "shot selection" I don't think anyone has worse shot selection then KD and Westbrook, they just make the shots, but from a shot selection stand point they're no bueno.

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Ehhhhh I can't agree with the KD one cuz he knows his spots on the floor . It looks bad to us but it's not to him , he's that great of s scorer . Russ does chuck but it's still crazy efficient for the volume of shots he takes .

[WaddupCouzin]

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Ehhhhh I can't agree with the KD one cuz he knows his spots on the floor . It looks bad to us but it's not to him , he's that great of s scorer . Russ does chuck but it's still crazy efficient for the volume of shots he takes .

When they're not hitting, you realize how bad their shot selection is, but that's what makes them the superstars they are,they don't have many nights when they're not hitting.

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[Sundown]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

Bruh. They're not making ratings from his playoff performance. It's my impression it's based off the whole year/body of work total. If they're only using finals performance for ratings then by your standards Iggy should be an 88 at the very least lol.

If they used his playoff stats for ratings. LeBron would lead the league in rebounds lol. Or at least be top 3/5. This isn't a bash LeBron thread. I mean I get ppl still don't like dude for what he accomplished/hasn't or whatever but to say a 94 is a good rating based on his Finals performance makes 0 sense to me and seems as if you're just using that because you're not a fan of his game in general.

LeBron last year was still more effective and efficient than a lot of players younger. As far as all time greats he was still one of the greatest players ever in a "down" season where he was still top 5 in scoring and top 15 in assists lol.

Like I said I don't put much into overalls but if it's any indication of the rest of the ratings how does Durant get a 91? I'm just curious to see what AD, Curry, Westbrook and Harden are.

Obviously the PGs are weighted because ball handle speed and passing for them ups there ratings significantly but this will be interesting to see.

I still think 94 is fine for his seasonal performance. Again, this is supposed to be an all-time great scale, and 94 is perfectly good for not-pure-peak Lebron whose athleticism has dropped off a bit as well as his shooting and defense. 91 for injured/limited games Durant is also fine on that scale. I'd have Curry with a 91 to 93 on that scale and Harden a 87-90. AD would fall 91-93 and Westbrook 87-89.

If the ratings this year are really supposed to be scaled against all time greats, let's make it actually count instead of giving everyone the usual 95-98's like every season.

What's not fine is the inflated ratings for run of the mill stars. Wall's a bit too high for me though it's not far off. And what's not fine is Kobe only two points lower than John Wall, which effectively makes his rating even HIGHER than last year's which wasn't scaled against greats. That's just ridiculous. The more I think about it the more it's completely unjustifiable.

"He was injured for seasons and actually sucked a little less before he was injured again so let's just pretend he's still great" is not a valid rating methodology.

Vegas doesn't work this way. NBA front offices don't work this way. Sports journalism and analysis doesn't work this way. I don't see why 2K should work this way.

[lakers24]

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49% TS is ABYSMAL (and only on low volume 14.6 ppg). That is several points below league average. Everyone's favorite high volume chucker in Westbrook still shoots 52% (which is around league average). 49% TS means terrible shot taking and/or that some of those shots should be distributed to pretty much any other NBA servicable average-efficiency player.


To get an idea of how TERRIBLE 49% TS is, which is during Kobe's "good games", let's look at GSW's roster. To find someone who shoots around 49.1% TS, I have to go all the way down to Justin Holliday, the Warriors' 13th man, who still beats Kobe with a 49.8%.

I knew someone was going to cherry pick that part of my comment without including the rest of what I stated. His overall encompasses everything he's able to do as a basketball player correct? If that's the case, Kobe is still one of the most highly skilled and cerebral players even at his old age which is proven by his FTA per and his increase in overall floor game in those games I pointed out (granted before that he was garbage most of the time).
Also, the TS% percentage I pointed out was to prove that he actually was improving slowly during that period after Byron stopped running him ragged and he dropped his usage %. I pointed out right before the TS% statement that 2 games out of the 8 he shot below 40% which drastically affected his shooting averages during that 8 games (that happens with smaller samples). He had 2 stinkers coming off rest against Miami and the Clippers, if you take out those 2 his TS% jumps up to 57.7% and his eFG% to 54.6.

As a sidenote, here's his other percentages (from all 8 games): TRB%14, AST% 44.94, USG% 28.42.

[redsox4evur]

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I still think 94 is fine for his seasonal performance. Again, this is supposed to be an all-time great scale, and 94 is perfectly good for not-pure-peak Lebron whose athleticism has dropped off a bit as well as his shooting and defense. 91 for injured/limited games Durant is also fine on that scale. I'd have Curry with a 91 to 93 on that scale and Harden a 87-90. AD would fall 91-93 and Westbrook 87-89.

If the ratings this year are really supposed to be scaled against all time greats, let's make it actually count instead of giving everyone the usual 95-98's like every season.

What's not fine is the inflated ratings for run of the mill stars. Wall's a bit too high for me though it's not far off. And what's not fine is Kobe only two points lower than John Wall, which effectively makes his rating even HIGHER than last year's which wasn't scaled against greats. That's just ridiculous. The more I think about it the more it's completely unjustifiable.

"He was injured for seasons and actually sucked a little less before he was injured again so let's just pretend he's still great" is not a valid rating methodology.

Vegas doesn't work this way. NBA front offices don't work this way. Sports journalism and analysis doesn't work this way. I don't see why 2K should work this way.

And that is why he is overrated.

[lakers24]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

When they're not hitting, you realize how bad their shot selection is, but that's what makes them the superstars they are,they don't have many nights when they're not hitting.

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Steph is the same way. Some of the shots he throws up would get most players yanked from the game, for him though, it's the best shot for his team.

I know his averages last season looked decent as far as PPG, APG, RPG. But if you watched the games, he shot the Lakers out of several potential wins. HE WAS TERRIBLE!!!!

I ain't complaining!

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[WaddupCouzin]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

Steph is the same way. Some of the shots he throws up would get most players yanked from the game, for him though, it's the best shot for his team.


I ain't complaining! [emoji38]

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Exactly!

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[DaKoKing]

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Or you could just edit the ratings yourself.

I simply do not have the time or patience to sit around figuring out why 2K has so vastly overrated a player, figuring out how that rating impacts that player effectiveness for users or AI, figuring out what a change would mean for that team vs other teams as well as that player versus other players.

I'm perfectly content to let someone else figure out how to make this game play like a somewhat reasonable impression of basketball.