NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

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Are you comparing 36/37 year old Kobe to Prime Steph Curry?

Regardless...I get what you're saying. I get what Sundown is saying but the bottom line for me personally is stats never tell the whole story. Yes Curry shoots a respectable percentage on shots good or bad. But 41% on tightly contested shot for a 37 year old Curry would definitely be lower.

What I'm ultimately saying is a bad shot is a bad shot no matter what your skillset allows. It's kinda similar to Blake Griffin trying to dunk on everything before Doc. Now he's become a more complete player. He can jump over you sure, but a midrange is still 2 points.

Curry doesn't shoot a contested 3 every possession but if he did his percentage would be terrible lol. I agree with you guys tho. Curry doesn't take consistently bad shots. But sometimes he does. Sometimes he makes them. But a bad shot is a bad shot.

Curry doesn't shoot over doubles like Kobe has lol but Kobe was also taller and more athletic. Steph isn't driving baseline and doing double pump reverses either. It's just for me personally some of the shots I've seen curry take are like "really bro...?" Sometimes they go in lol. But no matter how many bad looks you make it doesn't mean it's necessarily a good 1. Just my opinion.

[The 24th Letter]

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As much as I'd hate to say it I've played my friends (some are big time cheesers) drop 40-50 with Rudy Gay same with Paul George. poster dunks all game long lol. so I wouldnt past him dropping 80 on HOF/SIM.

Rudy Gay is cheese too. Crazy easy release, lol.

Rudy Gay is most definitely cheese, and has been for a while now....the real test with the new ratings will be to see how he plays....

My offer stands though, and I'll double it if he does it against me...I'm always down for a friendly donation challenge haha


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[NINJAK2]

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Do you guys know if each player had a "Consistency" rating in 2k15? I've always felt that consistency should have a big effect on how a guy performs on the court and how consistently they play up to their ratings. Players like JR Smith have always been gods in 2k due to their measurables but IRL being consistent has always been an issue for him.

[VDusen04]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

Are you comparing 36/37 year old Kobe to Prime Steph Curry?

Regardless...I get what you're saying. I get what Sundown is saying but the bottom line for me personally is stats never tell the whole story. Yes Curry shoots a respectable percentage on shots good or bad. But 41% on tightly contested shot for a 37 year old Curry would definitely be lower.

What I'm ultimately saying is a bad shot is a bad shot no matter what your skillset allows. It's kinda similar to Blake Griffin trying to dunk on everything before Doc. Now he's become a more complete player. He can jump over you sure, but a midrange is still 2 points.

Curry doesn't shoot a contested 3 every possession but if he did his percentage would be terrible lol. I agree with you guys tho. Curry doesn't take consistently bad shots. But sometimes he does. Sometimes he makes them. But a bad shot is a bad shot.

Curry doesn't shoot over doubles like Kobe has lol but Kobe was also taller and more athletic. Steph isn't driving baseline and doing double pump reverses either. It's just for me personally some of the shots I've seen curry take are like "really bro...?" Sometimes they go in lol. But no matter how many bad looks you make it doesn't mean it's necessarily a good 1. Just my opinion.

I may have to disagree with this sentiment. I think a bad shot is subjective depending upon one's definition and the player being discussed.

I think it's a sliding scale. As in, the most ideal shot for, say, David Robinson, is a dunk. For Stephen Curry, it's a wide open layup. From there, one works their way out to less and less reliable forms of scoring until that line between "less efficient" and "bad" is crossed. A David Robinson mid-range jumper is less efficient and accurate than his layups, dunks, and jump hooks, but it was still a worthy and dangerous weapon. Would Robinson's field goal percentage dip if all he took were mid-range jumpers? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean it was a bad shot for him. Robinson wouldn't likely hit "bad shot selection" territory until he backed up around 21 feet.

Similarly, Curry's penchant for taking and making seemingly difficult shots at odd times and from weird angles is unlike any shooter I've ever seen in my life. Obviously, if Robinson attempted any of the shots Curry did of that nature, they'd be awful, awful shots, because the chances of hitting would be so low. However, Curry's ability to succeed in that realm is akin to Robinson's mid-range game in that those shots may go in at a lower rate than open J's, but the rate at which he does hit them (more accurately than anyone I've ever seen) is a huge part of what makes him so dangerous.

My wording feels poor but basically, what may be declared a bad shot for one player is not necessarily so for another.

[King_B_Mack]

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Rudy Gay is most definitely cheese, and has been for a while now....the real test with the new ratings will be to see how he plays....

My offer stands though, and I'll double it if he does it against me...I'm always down for a friendly donation challenge haha


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I can vouch for this. Though Two Four isn't going to last long enough to pay off that bet because he's going to be banned soon enough.

Yeah that's right, don't think you got off with that BS you pulled in the Boston/Miami classic team thread. We cool, but you got to go, you know the rules.

[BluFu]

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1. Rose's rating hasn't been released.

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1. Rose is 10 years younger than Kobe.
2. Literally, Rose is 10 years younger than Kobe. I think Rose is overrated trash but it is clear as day that they are in two completely different points of their career arcs.

Rose is going to be at least an 81-83. Yes, I can say that confidently.

Wait so are ratings based off of career arc now? You're stat guy, why bring up career arc and age?

LOL there's also this

Shooting Guard RPM
1. James Harden (+8.50)
2. Khris Middleton (+6.06)
3. Kyle Korver (+5.42)
4. Danny Green (+5.41)
5. Jimmy Butler (+4.30)
6. Wesley Matthews (+3.65)
7. Klay Thompson (+3.64)
45. Evan Turner (-1.37)
53. Kobe Bryant (-2.15)
68. Dion Waiters (-3.52)
83. Lance Stephenson (-4.82)

Kobe was not an effective basketball player last season and it's very clear from looking at the top players on that list that he isn't anywhere close to fitting the mold of what one actually looks like in the year 2016 irrespective of his age/health (where defense and shooting are a thing).

(since you only want to use one chart...)

So you're telling me... Middleton, Korver and Green round out the top 4 SGs in the league.



We might need to agree to disagree here... If you don't agree with what I said in my first post (or consider that you have no clue what the ratings are this year) then this discussion is going nowhere. Points are getting redundant lol

[The 24th Letter]

NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

I can vouch for this. Though Two Four isn't going to last long enough to pay off that bet because he's going to be banned soon enough.



Yeah that's right, don't think you got off with that BS you pulled in the Boston/Miami classic team thread. We cool, but you got to go, you know the rules.

You were keeping that one in the holster....

#pinknamewellworthit

[HowDareI]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

You drop a stream of you scoring 80 on HOF/Simulation with Rudy Gay and I'll donate in your honor...


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How many minute quarters because I wanna try this lol

[Real2KInsider]

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Rose is going to be at least an 81-83. Yes, I can say that confidently.

Wait so are ratings based off of career arc now? You're stat guy, why bring up career arc and age?

Rose can still improve as a player and has a shot at getting back some of what he once was (a reason for optimism).
Kobe is ONLY getting worse (no reason for optimism). That's the "read between the lines" difference.

So you're telling me... Middleton, Korver and Green round out the top 4 SGs in the league.

It's fairly common knowledge among NBA decision makers nowadays that "Three and D" SGs are much more valuable than an inefficient, no-defense chucker at SG (which is reflected pretty accurately by RPM).

There's a reason Dallas passed on Monta Ellis to bring in a recovering Wesley Matthews on a massive contract. Kobe is like Monta except 37 years old.

[Number999]

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I won't have an issue with Kobe's rating but I swear if he has a higher rating than Dwyane Wade I'm calling bull****.....

[8KB24]

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I won't have an issue with Kobe's rating but I swear if he has a higher rating than Dwyane Wade I'm calling bull****.....

I expect Wade to have 87 rating which sounds about right.

[BluFu]

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It's fairly common knowledge among NBA decision makers nowadays that "Three and D" SGs are much more valuable than an inefficient, no-defense chucker at SG (which is reflected pretty accurately by RPM).

Butler & Klay Thompson's reaction..

[Real2KInsider]

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Butler & Klay Thompson's reaction..

5. Jimmy Butler (38 3pt%, All-Defense 2nd)
7. Klay Thompson (44 3pt%, Solid Defense)
53. Kobe Bryant (29%, Ghost)

LOL were you trying to convince us that they are bad defenders and shooters? Or that RPM should be treated as a strict rating/ranking system?

You should have kept quiet and let it go but some people just gotta have the last word (or in this case, GIF) no matter how dumb it is.

[BluFu]

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5. Jimmy Butler (38 3pt%, All-Defense 2nd)
7. Klay Thompson (44 3pt%, Solid Defense)
53. Kobe Bryant (29%, Ghost)

LOL were you trying to convince us that they are bad defenders and shooters? Or that RPM should be treated as a strict rating/ranking system?

You should have kept quiet and let it go but some people just gotta have the last word (or in this case, GIF) no matter how dumb it is.

Keep quiet? Keep quiet for who? This is a forum Rashidi... get over yourself. You posted the chart for RPM trying to convince "us" (wait, who's us? ) that Evan freaking Turner is a better player than Kobe Bryant solely based on RPM. So, by that same hand, Middleton and Korver are better than Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson... right? Man, Middleton really got snubbed from the allstar game.. . As I said before, there's nothing left to discuss.. Maybe you should let it go.

Oh, and

[Sundown]

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Keep quiet? Keep quiet for who? This is a forum Rashidi... get over yourself. You posted the chart for RPM trying to convince "us" (wait, who's us? ) that Evan freaking Turner is a better player than Kobe Bryant solely based on RPM. So, by that same hand, Middleton and Korver are better than Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson... right? Man, Middleton really got snubbed from the allstar game.. . As I said before, there's nothing left to discuss.. Maybe you should let it go.

RPM is actually one of the better metrics. Incredulity and gifs don't change that.

For how bad Bryant was on both sides of the basket last season, Evan Turner probably did have a more positive impact. It doesn't mean I'd give Turner the same 2K rating, because RPM is more of a measure of fit, impact, and usage in a player's current role and not really a direct measure of skill or fit in another context. But Kobe was killing his team last season. There's no denying that. Kobe was bad by the eye test, the efficiency test, and the RPM test. When you fail all of them, you're... pretty bad. The only way to justify his rating are vague narratives that might have been true over two seasons ago. Like I said, an rating of 80-81 would already have been EXTREMELY generous and kind for such a negatively impactful and statistically terrible player.

Middleton and Korver are hugely impactful in their roles and Middleton has done especially well beyond expectations. But RPM is noisy so it's not meant to be used to say that Korver and Middleton is definitively better than Thompson or Butler based on minor differentials. It does rank both of them very well (because they're both also elite 3 and D + guys), and it very clearly illustrates all of these guys are infinitely more impactful than Kobe, so there's really nothing wrong with what Rashidi initially said, and to be fair, the Kevin Hart gif doesn't actually make much sense in that context.