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  • Junior Moe
    MVP
    • Jul 2009
    • 3869

    #16
    Re: Post Move Variety

    Originally posted by Guard-ian
    First we need good balance in the Post (see fadeaways vs hooks in 2k15, no way)

    Then we need Post Variety, also not all players would be able to do all post moves, I think it would be nice something like the skills system in Fifa, depending on the level, the player should be able to perform different (more or less advanced) kind of moves.

    Finally most Post Signature Moves would be icing in the cake.

    Cheers! ;-)
    Love this! I understand why certain people may not like it as it is limiting. But seeing Dwight Howard do post fadeaways just makes cringe. Even if it is only a few times a game. I think something like this would force us to play to a particular players strengths. All low post scoring isn't equal.

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    • stillfeelme
      MVP
      • Aug 2010
      • 2407

      #17
      Re: Post Move Variety

      I have to agree I cringed when players were taking post fades they had no business taking.

      Howard took 1 Fade away jump shot missed it
      Howard took 9 turnaround jump shot made 2

      Cousins took 20 fade away jumpers 35.0% success
      Cousins took 11 turnaround fade and turn around jumpers 18%

      Jefferson took 4 fade away jumpers made 1
      Jefferson took 63 turnaround fade and turnaround jumpers 46%

      Dirk took 76 fade away jumpers 57.9% success
      Dirk took 86 turnaround fade and turnaround jumpers 48% success

      LeBron took 55 fade away jumpers 38.2% success
      LeBron took 54 turnaround fade and turnaround jumpers 37%

      Aldridge took 39 fadeaway jumpers 43.6%
      Aldridge took 170 turnaround fade and turnaround jumpers 46%

      All of this from NBA.com, they need to get the touches right

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      • LionsFanNJ
        All Star
        • Apr 2006
        • 9464

        #18
        Re: Post Move Variety

        Id really like it if the gameplay team looks at why post hooks almost never go in, and the close/inside shot slider should seem to help this but doesn't? Its really confusing to me tbh. I cant really use offensive post players because of this.

        Also, it seems anything except up and unders just triggers the cpu to steal the ball more often than not. I play on superstar custom sliders,
        HELLO BROOKYLN.
        All Black Everything

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        • QB1N
          Rookie
          • Jan 2012
          • 130

          #19
          Re: Post Move Variety

          There is already a fairly large amount of post move variety in 2k... The problem is that the moves that should be high percentage are actually the lowest percentage...

          Hooks and Drop-steps should go in more than fades if you have a significant size advantage...

          I cant tell you how many times Ive drop-stepped with my 7'3 340 lb C against a guard only to be manhandled as though I was a baby seal...

          I think part of the problem is that people don't know when and how to combo the moves effectively... 2K does a poor job of explaining the post game...

          Skip to 37 seconds in... Watch the amount of easy baskets I get off the dropstep...

          <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IXg2nm5esFg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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          • QB1N
            Rookie
            • Jan 2012
            • 130

            #20
            Re: Post Move Variety

            Honestly the biggest issue with the post game in 2k isn't the variety, it's the effectiveness... The Center doesn't have the unstoppable impact he should against small forwards and guards...

            I cant blame people like Barkley and Kareem for not wanting to be in the game... You wouldn't want to be in it either if they disrespected your abilities...

            I can think of plenty of post moves that are not in 2k, but Id prefer for them to first fix the one that are in the game before they add anymore...

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            • hedop
              Banned
              • Nov 2014
              • 70

              #21
              Re: Post Move Variety

              It's also the accessibility of those moves. Like the different up and under moves basically fire when they want in my experience. The hook shot misses way too often especially if it's properly leveled up. For all I care give my a shot timer to do it but with a Center at 7'2 and a hookshot at 95 even against another center that shot should be money 90% of the time. There is no way that you would have a 50% rate on that shot or lower. That kind of shot is made for having body contact and needing to seperate yourself and then rising up. Because of the mechanics it also can not be blocked unless your opponent is taller or has way longer arms so the effect of defense on you when you take it should be minimized because you know that you or rather the player won't be blocked.

              I'm also missing the back to the basket Shaq Shimmy that ended in a Dunk nearly every time and is still employed by Anthony Davis and others in a way and was actually something that Shaq took from Derrick Coleman.
              Missing to me is also the famous pull the chair manoeuvre in the post, or at least I haven't seen it, when a guxy is backing in to your player and you simply take away the pressure so he falls on his ***.

              I'm just missing the whole power feeling in the post... yes today it's harder to get the ball there and it slows the game down but I think 2k and most people forget that once you get the ball to your beast in the post he is still the most physically dominant guy in there and it doesn't translate to the game. Not every big man has the grace of Olajuwon with all his moves but most have the power of a Shaq or Patrick Ewing like Anthony Davis, Greg Monroe, Andre Drummond, Marc Gasol, DeMarcus Cousins and others. Those are strong guys and they just feel weak and floopy when backing down or going up against opposition. I hope they will fix that.

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              • QB1N
                Rookie
                • Jan 2012
                • 130

                #22
                Re: Post Move Variety

                Originally posted by hedop
                It's also the accessibility of those moves. Like the different up and under moves basically fire when they want in my experience. The hook shot misses way too often especially if it's properly leveled up. For all I care give my a shot timer to do it but with a Center at 7'2 and a hookshot at 95 even against another center that shot should be money 90% of the time. There is no way that you would have a 50% rate on that shot or lower. That kind of shot is made for having body contact and needing to seperate yourself and then rising up. Because of the mechanics it also can not be blocked unless your opponent is taller or has way longer arms so the effect of defense on you when you take it should be minimized because you know that you or rather the player won't be blocked.

                I'm also missing the back to the basket Shaq Shimmy that ended in a Dunk nearly every time and is still employed by Anthony Davis and others in a way and was actually something that Shaq took from Derrick Coleman.
                Missing to me is also the famous pull the chair manoeuvre in the post, or at least I haven't seen it, when a guxy is backing in to your player and you simply take away the pressure so he falls on his ***.

                I'm just missing the whole power feeling in the post... yes today it's harder to get the ball there and it slows the game down but I think 2k and most people forget that once you get the ball to your beast in the post he is still the most physically dominant guy in there and it doesn't translate to the game. Not every big man has the grace of Olajuwon with all his moves but most have the power of a Shaq or Patrick Ewing like Anthony Davis, Greg Monroe, Andre Drummond, Marc Gasol, DeMarcus Cousins and others. Those are strong guys and they just feel weak and floopy when backing down or going up against opposition. I hope they will fix that.
                ^ this.

                You cant tell the difference between Grace and Power in the post in 2k... They need to add a lean feature in the post too that factors in weight and quickness so you can "feel" how your match-up is playing you defensively...

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                • LionsFanNJ
                  All Star
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 9464

                  #23
                  Re: Post Move Variety

                  Im hoping with the reworked post, a drop step dunk actually comes out now when appropriate.
                  HELLO BROOKYLN.
                  All Black Everything

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                  • acetheredcomet
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2015
                    • 178

                    #24
                    Re: Post Move Variety

                    As a post 2k player I hope they don't make it too easy to strip the ball nor easy to push a heavy player out of the post. I made my CAP a 7'1" 300lb big man and it was irritating when I would easily get bumped out of the post in rec. I may not be as good as Extra but it was aggravating trying to develop the post game with these mechanics.

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                    • XxSpiritHunterX
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 533

                      #25
                      Re: Post Move Variety

                      With the recent gameplay blog, VC and 2K seems to feel this seems to feel this way too about the post. I for one hope I can go into the post with a shaq-like player and get an easy two points over a guard or an undersized player without the need of a 95% chance post fade (a la 2k15), but instead an easy two points with brute force and grace at the same time.

                      The post has needed work for years to be great, but at the same time accessible to do each move - and 2K16 looks to hold that remedy


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                      • Kodii Rockets
                        I smell sulfur...
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 2670

                        #26
                        Re: Post Move Variety

                        Originally posted by QB1N
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                        So we're just going to completely bypass the fact that you're playing with a cot damn horse on your squad huh? Ok, cool. Lmao.

                        Strong work man, if you're on PSN, find me for this Pro-Am ish when 16 comes, I'm trying to beat Scott Skiles record for assists in a game, and down low work like that is going to help immensely...

                        Masterful to say the least.
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                        • The 24th Letter
                          ERA
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 39373

                          #27
                          Re: Post Move Variety

                          Can't wait to try out the reworked post game with Timmy D...I already though the post game was great...

                          Glad they added the drop step dunk...but I hope its very limited...theres only like 2-3 guys that can do it right now

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                          • acetheredcomet
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2015
                            • 178

                            #28
                            Re: Post Move Variety

                            If they make the post game available to everyone, they should make those with great skill seem god like compared to those with low skill. Shaq should look dominate compared to let say Marc Gasol in terms of strength and Timmy D should look more finesse than D12.


                            There should be a type of post play style in terms of selection, I like posting to set up a turnaround or dream shake, and I should have less skill in Shaq drop step dunk, vice versa. If they removed inside scoring grouped atts, it should change the way people play their CAPS.


                            When we load up our CAPs it should have:


                            dribble style: fast/penetrating or slow/breakdown


                            post: strength or finesse


                            triple threat: jumper (melo) or inside (LBJ)

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                            • Junior Moe
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 3869

                              #29
                              Re: Post Move Variety

                              Originally posted by acetheredcomet
                              If they make the post game available to everyone, they should make those with great skill seem god like compared to those with low skill. Shaq should look dominate compared to let say Marc Gasol in terms of strength and Timmy D should look more finesse than D12.


                              There should be a type of post play style in terms of selection, I like posting to set up a turnaround or dream shake, and I should have less skill in Shaq drop step dunk, vice versa. If they removed inside scoring grouped atts, it should change the way people play their CAPS.


                              When we load up our CAPs it should have:


                              dribble style: fast/penetrating or slow/breakdown


                              post: strength or finesse


                              triple threat: jumper (melo) or inside (LBJ)
                              It'd be cool of they had "post moves" packages like they do with dunks. There should be some signature moves, but also have a large bank to choose from. That way we could give someone like TD fitness smooth moves and give Dwight those stiff moves he does. Or a power banger like young Amare those quick explosive dunks while Shaq has those slow powerful throw downs that leave everything rocking!

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                              • daveberg
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 2788

                                #30
                                Re: Post Move Variety

                                Revamped post moves - Ohhhhhhh boy, gonna be taking MJ in the post as per usual!!

                                Some of my Jordan post highlights in the vid below:

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                                NBA 2K Retro Hoops gameplay

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