NBA 2K16 Gameplay Blog With Da_Czar

[ataman5]

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I really hope practice post returns as well. I was in there a few years back more than regular practice and yes I'm talkin bout practice.

I'd also like to see us be able to practice SLOB and BLOB plays as well as in the future I hope we can add let's say 7 seconds and game specific situations where we are taking ball OOB for late game practice situations like coaches do irl practices. Then with doing this maybe they add in game where we can then call a specific play during our timeouts and be preset when we take the court after our timeout. That go's back to also having the ability to practice and change our freelance offense during timeouts too.

Definitely co-signed.

Was there not a mode called situational in previous 2k's where we set the situation and play thru from? Maybe if that mode existed we could again pracite those situations in a lively environment but that would be only for a workaround what you suggested is much deeper and i believe more resource needed to get them in hopefully in the future series..


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[MarkWilliam]

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Definitely co-signed.

Was there not a mode called situational in previous 2k's where we set the situation and play thru from? Maybe if that mode existed we could again pracite those situations in a lively environment but that would be only for a workaround what you suggested is much deeper and i believe more resource needed to get them in hopefully in the future series..


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This is interesting and it reminds me of something Czar confirmed yesterday on Twitter.


Not exactly what you're talking about (and I've mentioned it in another thread FYI) but apparently there was work done on inbounds plays. To re-iterate what Czar said to me, there are now plays with "0.2" in the name of them. These inbounds plays are for "catch and shoot" type patterns specifically for end of game/shot clock situs (if I understood correctly).


Where I'm going with this (on topic), can we practice these inbounds plays also Prez?


And perhaps you can re-iterate if I've outlined it wrong or inaccurately?


Czar said there was a lot that didn't make the blog as it would've been too long - this was one of them and personally, I am EXCITED about end of game situs having a bit more of a resemblance to real situs (or at least edging in that direction).

Bravo Prez.

[vannwolfhawk]

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This is interesting and it reminds me of something Czar confirmed yesterday on Twitter.


Not exactly what you're talking about (and I've mentioned it in another thread FYI) but apparently there was work done on inbounds plays. To re-iterate what Czar said to me, there are now plays with "0.2" in the name of them. These inbounds plays are for "catch and shoot" type patterns specifically for end of game/shot clock situs (if I understood correctly).


Where I'm going with this (on topic), can we practice these inbounds plays also Prez?


And perhaps you can re-iterate if I've outlined it wrong or inaccurately?


Czar said there was a lot that didn't make the blog as it would've been too long - this was one of them and personally, I am EXCITED about end of game situs having a bit more of a resemblance to real situs (or at least edging in that direction).

Bravo Prez.

Ya I saw that actually about the last second plays. I've actually asked and talked about this for 3-4 years now. Irl during a timeout it's where a coach calls a play, makes adjustments moving forward. NBA coaches have a plethora of late game slob and blob plays for getting a good look with anywhere from 1-10 seconds left. It's a huge part of the game especially a close game and there is no better coach at this then pop. I've actually stolen 4-5 of his best slob plays over the years and my teams have them in their playbooks and arsenal just in case.

Anyways, my point being it isn't represented well in the game. Number 1 we can't call the play in our timeout. How cool would it be to be able to scroll thru some slob or blob plays to call and use during a timeout and have ability to come out already set up in it? As it is now if I change the play (which i have to do super fast before ref hands me the ball) then my guys are running around trying to get set up in the new play I just called wasting precious time and most the time I don't even know which 1 I'm running and just have to break to the ball and catch and make quick move and shoot with defender on me that usually doesn't end well. A lot of teams get some really good looks in situations like these.

This go's hand in hand as well throughout a game as well during all timeouts. I should be able to preset my freelance offense and maybe even call my next play coming out of every timeout. Most all teams will run something or some kind of set for their 1st possession out of a timeout as well as the obvious POE strategy adjustments moving forward after that.

I don't remember having ability to set certain situations in 2k though. I know madden had this though a few years back. I also don't recall being able to practice oob plays but I could be completely wrong though. But if we could add special situations and adjust time left in game and have choice to pick between baseline or sideline oob plays in different scenarios that would be awesome small addition IMO. It's a huge part of the NBA game! Lastly and this is way out there how cool would it be to have ability to create a play or OOB play ourselves and add it to our playbooks? Something like fast draw or coaches clipboard would be super cool. But then you take chance of glitches happening and taking advantage of CPU ai deficiency potentially.

I'm looking forward to testing and trying these new .02 plays though! I doubt we have that option during a TO but hope it's thought about moving forward...

[MarkWilliam]

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Ya I saw that actually about the last second plays. I've actually asked and talked about this for 3-4 years now. Irl during a timeout it's where a coach calls a play, makes adjustments moving forward. NBA coaches have a plethora of late game slob and blob plays for getting a good look with anywhere from 1-10 seconds left. It's a huge part of the game especially a close game and there is no better coach at this then pop. I've actually stolen 4-5 of his best slob plays over the years and my teams have them in their playbooks and arsenal just in case.

Anyways, my point being it isn't represented well in the game. Number 1 we can't call the play in our timeout. How cool would it be to be able to scroll thru some slob or blob plays to call and use during a timeout and have ability to come out already set up in it? As it is now if I change the play (which i have to do super fast before ref hands me the ball) then my guys are running around trying to get set up in the new play I just called wasting precious time and most the time I don't even know which 1 I'm running and just have to break to the ball and catch and make quick move and shoot with defender on me that usually doesn't end well. A lot of teams get some really good looks in situations like these.

This go's hand in hand as well throughout a game as well during all timeouts. I should be able to preset my freelance offense and maybe even call my next play coming out of every timeout. Most all teams will run something or some kind of set for their 1st possession out of a timeout as well as the obvious POE strategy adjustments moving forward after that.

I don't remember having ability to set certain situations in 2k though. I know madden had this though a few years back. I also don't recall being able to practice oob plays but I could be completely wrong though. But if we could add special situations and adjust time left in game and have choice to pick between baseline or sideline oob plays in different scenarios that would be awesome small addition IMO. It's a huge part of the NBA game! Lastly and this is way out there how cool would it be to have ability to create a play or OOB play ourselves and add it to our playbooks? Something like fast draw or coaches clipboard would be super cool. But then you take chance of glitches happening and taking advantage of CPU ai deficiency potentially.

I'm looking forward to testing and trying these new .02 plays though! I doubt we have that option during a TO but hope it's thought about moving forward...

Yep to all of this. It definitely needs a bit of an overhaul in terms of "UI" to make it more user friendly. Definitely needs to be something we can really outline DURING a time out and not a rush rush before a 5 second call haha.....


If one thinks about how you actually select plays in Madden between snaps, play art and all, this would almost be the ideal way to present inbounds plays during time outs aswell.......


I CONSTANTLY think about the beautiful set the Wolves ran at LAC when Love popped out and swished a 3 for the game. Multiple curls, Love pops and drains it. Lovely.

To be able to replicate in a 2K with the game on the line....... man.....


As Czar mentioned on Twitter, some stuff was a bit rough. You try and have it execute in the game and it just doesn't run right. And as Prez has said MANY times, NOTHING is "easy" to implement. Obviously his time was WELL spent this year laying the "foundation" via modules. But when time is more available, I can see inbounds plays being another beautiful part of the game courtesy of Big Czar......


Be nice if Prez chimes in with a bit of an outline on this. Hard to have an in depth back and forth on Twitter haha.......

[QNo]

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You can not manually assign freelance or ACE inside of Myleague. We would have needed to redo a lot of front end and that just was not an option. Realize it is not ideal but that was a far as we could take it.

I mentioned earlier that each Teams ACE does have default gameplans that can adjust for different lineups based on types of players. It is not as specific as the known gameplans but it should still be effective.

How about a mode like MyTeam, does everybody get a default ACE engine or are there still differences between the teams? And if playbooks are still tied to coaches, does this fix the bug where you won't get your own playbook on online RTTP away games, but rather your opponent's? Thanks!

I cannot wait for 2k16, it looks like such an incredibly good game. I almost get pissed of playing 2k15 now because I know how much better the game will be in a few weeks.

[JoFri]

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one thing i find annoying in assigning plays is the sequence and missing plays. for instance in 2k15, i can never assign a p&r play for Shaq or Kanter as he is more of a post player. for sequence, i usually un-assign and assign the plays in the playbook to try getting the desired sequence of plays.

it would be great if 2k16 enhances the plays assignment to make it more 'user' friendly? Lol


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[stillfeelme]

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I have done this as well with the basic crossover but with no consistency. I think 1 way to do this in the future (after hearing they will put it in when its not cheese) and take this with a grain of salt as no one has played 16 yet, but having the ability to pull off this move against bad hedges by players with poor footwork, agility, defense with bigs and they don't hedge properly which creates that little bit of space for us to read like irl and split the defense.

Again, I don't know if they have good and bad hedges in the game but I will assume they probably all do the same hedge perfectly and fundamentally sound which would be unrealistic. So a J. Noah might hedge perfectly with no gap or space while a M. Bonner might be too slow and take a bad angle allowing enough space to split the defense. Again this would be realistic, a game of matchups and a chess strategy between coaches in play calling as well as it would not be cheese IMO. It could be countered by making sure right players are guarding who. I think this should be able to be used with a simple crossover and not necessarily do we need a put ball out or in front button although maybe tapping sprint and cross could give you a animation dribble low and in front of you like you do when splitting the defense. I do agree a live ball in this situation would be necessary though making it a high risk/reward situation.

Just a thought. Maybe tie a pnr defense hedging rating with footwork rating, agility and defensive rating to separate the good hedgers from the bad?

Yeah if they add all of that plus improved ball physics I think it could work. As well as precise control on the stick while dribbling.

• What I notice is that players that are good at the spliting the pick set it up with a hesi cross-over real low like Kyrie
• Some like LeBron maybe Lilliard I seen Harden as well will throw it out in front and will have to get the ball
• Wade is just good at weaving through traffic while dribbling and using behind the back moves between the legs on occassion. He gets real low while weaving and dribbling like those All-Star weekend skills challenges
• Westbrook just stops on a dime and accelerates without any special dribble moves to set it up.

It is a complicated move because everyone doesn't always need to use the same move.

[vannwolfhawk]

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For sure! I guess if your to add do it right as it would get old seeing all the players do the same move. Complicated? Yes, but something that for sure has to be added at some point. It's become a pretty common move from pg's nowadays.

[BluFu]

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If I understand correctly, what will happen on a possession by possession basis is the AI will run dynamic decision points to identify scorers and scoring opportunities in the way it runs plays or runs through freelance branches.

IF there is not a known lineup on the floor then yes it can detect certain lineup types and run with default gameplans to cater the offense towards those players.

It will run plays for the top 3 touches on the floor. Or if it detects a jump shooting lineup run motion or freelance offense. So it's not as intelligent as a real person but we tried to cover as much general lineup types are we are likely to see.

Obviously your feedback will be paramount in determining how much we need to add in future as far as coverage.

Thanks for clarifying

[Crunky]

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I've got goosebumps just thinking about the possibilitys since they are emphasizing footwork. The game is all about footwork in real life that's what seperates the greats. I've seen in the blogs shuffling of feet on defense and footplanting on offense simply amazing. They took madden true step philosophy and made it for both offense and defense unlike madden.

[LorenzoDC]

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one thing i find annoying in assigning plays is the sequence and missing plays. for instance in 2k15, i can never assign a p&r play for Shaq or Kanter as he is more of a post player. for sequence, i usually un-assign and assign the plays in the playbook to try getting the desired sequence of plays.

it would be great if 2k16 enhances the plays assignment to make it more 'user' friendly? Lol


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Not sure if I'm thinking what you are, but I hope that the system makes it easier to make your plays from your playbook appear in the order you want in your players' play calling menu option in the game.

I went through a lot of this last year, and got some help from Sam Pham but I still encountered situations where the system would just not allow me to assign plays in exactly the order I wanted so that they would faithfully appear in that order for individual players' play calling menu options.

And oh yeah, sometimes plays that should appear for a player don't. It's not just because the player maybe needs to be designated as a play initiator or not. Even with the right designation for the play sometimes the plays just don't show up in the player's play calling menu screen. It's a bug that is specific to some players, because the missing plays will show up for similar players with the same play types assigned.

I'm hoping that may be better this year.

[FloorGeneral]

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Spoiler

Not sure if I'm thinking what you are, but I hope that the system makes it easier to make your plays from your playbook appear in the order you want in your players' play calling menu option in the game.

I went through a lot of this last year, and got some help from Sam Pham but I still encountered situations where the system would just not allow me to assign plays in exactly the order I wanted so that they would faithfully appear in that order for individual players' play calling menu options.

And oh yeah, sometimes plays that should appear for a player don't. It's not just because the player maybe needs to be designated as a play initiator or not. Even with the right designation for the play sometimes the plays just don't show up in the player's play calling menu screen. It's a bug that is specific to some players, because the missing plays will show up for similar players with the same play types assigned.

I'm hoping that may be better this year.

Seriously, it was a pain in the rear end to get your playbook (PB going forward) situated correctly last year. I may ramble a bit so instead of wasting page space, I'm gonna spoiler both the quoted post and my response. Sorry in advance.

Spoiler

First of all, say you picked the 50 plays you wanted. Theoretically, the easiest way to get them all in, (and in the order you so desire), would write them down (or type, I'll just use write) in order from most preferred to least, with the play type order being Iso, PNR, Low Post, High Post, Cutter, Mid Range & finaly 3pt.

With them written down in your preferred order, you would then (again, theoretically) go into your PB, completely empty it (well, save for one play, as it won't let you COMPLETELY empty it), and then start adding your plays in reverse order (obviously your first move replacing the last play left in the book). So you'd start from the very bottom (with the least preferred play in 3pt, and work your way all the way up, ending with the most preferred Iso play).

Now, I've said "theoretically" twice, because while this process would be ideal (though admittedly a bit time consuming), it doesn't work in 2K15, because if you completely empty a PB, when you go to re-add plays, it stops at random numbers for teams (I.E., it doesn't let you fill it back to 50. It could be 46 or 47, whatever. We'll use 47 for this example). Once you hit 47, then when you go to add your 48th play, it will instead randomly replace one of the previous 47 plays you already added. Now, it IS possible to get to 50 using this route, but it's a pain because you have to add a play, then chase the replaced play around (figure out which play #48 replaced, put it back in, re-add #48, if it replaces another play, find out which play was replaced, put it back in, re-add #48, and you get the idea). Eventually the playbook will get back to 50, but it takes way too much effort for something that should be relatively simple.

Now, the way that I always got my book to it's full 50 (told you I was gonna ramble. Again, sorry), is starting with a default PB (again, we'll use the 47 play example, though I can't remember if any default PBs had that many). With a default PB, add another 3 plays to get to 50. This works, no issue. Then, what I would do is go through and replace every single play with an Isolation play (reason being it's gonna be the last added, and also, outside of Cutter, the play type that should have the least amount of plays in your PB). You should now have a playbook with 50 Isolation plays in it.

Now just scroll all the way down, and start adding your plays as detailed above (starting with last 3pt, ending with first Iso). No big deal right, everything's done you say. Well, no, not quite. It all goes back to your initial problem: having the plays in the order you want. While you added them in your preferred order, they aren't necessarily in that order. It's almost as if (and this could admittedly get confusing, AND, I don't even know if this is the case, as I never actively tested this theory) when adding plays on top of plays (like going through and replacing every play with an Iso), the replacement play (Iso) acted as a type of placeholder.

So say you replaced 3pt 6 (last play in default PB) with Iso 1 (first Iso play added via replacement). Wherever 3pt 6 appeared in the play calling screen, whichever 3pt play you add in it's place will appear in the same place. However, if you add, say a PNR play, over an Iso play that replaced a 3pt play, then that PNR play will go to the front of the PNR line. Yes, confusing, and really unnecessary.

So what do you do? Well, here's where it gets really time consuming. You've already written down your preferred order of plays right? Well, after replacing all plays in your PB, and adding those 50 plays, now it's time to head over to the Assign Play screen so you can see the actual order the plays are in in-game. What I would do (and there is no 'Right' way to do this, you do it how you wish), is first, clear all play types from any single player, then, starting give them one play type at a time, and in each play type, write down the play order on your already written down preferred order. So on one side (left) you have your preferred order, and next to them (right) the actual order the plays are in. Then it's a game of add and switch.

You find the first play (on the right) that doesnt match up with the left column, and replace it with a random play from the same play type (important). What I found was that the very first play in each play type worked fine, as it was rarely a play that was actually used. Then you take the play you just replaced, and put it in it's proper place (by finding it on the left column, and replacing the play that's next to it in the right column), then you take that newly replaced play and put it in IT'S proper place, and on and on (at the same time, I would erase/cross out/delete each play from the right column as it is properly placed, thus keeping track of my progress). Eventually you will work your way back to the random play, though if there's alot of plays in your play type (PNR for instance), you will often have to add that random play a couple of times, as you will get back around to it without getting everything in it's correct order the first time around.

Eventually, you will move through each play type and your right column will be cleared out, and you now have a fully stocked PB with the plays in each type in your preferred order. It's still not perfect, as each play type is grouped in the play call screen, so you can't really put the plays in any order you like, but you this will atleast give you some organization.

So yeah, read that mini-novel or don't, but suffice to say it was a real pain to get your PB organized in 2K15. I'm not expecting the ability to organize plays in ANY order, regardless of play type, but hopefully it's easier to get them ordered in a specific way. Hopefully that glitch with emptying a PB and not being able to fill it again is gone, and I'll be fine with that.

[MGSW]

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Customising playbooks last year was a nightmare. I completely forgot how bad it was.

[vannwolfhawk]

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Seriously, it was a pain in the rear end to get your playbook (PB going forward) situated correctly last year. I may ramble a bit so instead of wasting page space, I'm gonna spoiler both the quoted post and my response. Sorry in advance.

Spoiler

First of all, say you picked the 50 plays you wanted. Theoretically, the easiest way to get them all in, (and in the order you so desire), would write them down (or type, I'll just use write) in order from most preferred to least, with the play type order being Iso, PNR, Low Post, High Post, Cutter, Mid Range & finaly 3pt.

With them written down in your preferred order, you would then (again, theoretically) go into your PB, completely empty it (well, save for one play, as it won't let you COMPLETELY empty it), and then start adding your plays in reverse order (obviously your first move replacing the last play left in the book). So you'd start from the very bottom (with the least preferred play in 3pt, and work your way all the way up, ending with the most preferred Iso play).

Now, I've said "theoretically" twice, because while this process would be ideal (though admittedly a bit time consuming), it doesn't work in 2K15, because if you completely empty a PB, when you go to re-add plays, it stops at random numbers for teams (I.E., it doesn't let you fill it back to 50. It could be 46 or 47, whatever. We'll use 47 for this example). Once you hit 47, then when you go to add your 48th play, it will instead randomly replace one of the previous 47 plays you already added. Now, it IS possible to get to 50 using this route, but it's a pain because you have to add a play, then chase the replaced play around (figure out which play #48 replaced, put it back in, re-add #48, if it replaces another play, find out which play was replaced, put it back in, re-add #48, and you get the idea). Eventually the playbook will get back to 50, but it takes way too much effort for something that should be relatively simple.

Now, the way that I always got my book to it's full 50 (told you I was gonna ramble. Again, sorry), is starting with a default PB (again, we'll use the 47 play example, though I can't remember if any default PBs had that many). With a default PB, add another 3 plays to get to 50. This works, no issue. Then, what I would do is go through and replace every single play with an Isolation play (reason being it's gonna be the last added, and also, outside of Cutter, the play type that should have the least amount of plays in your PB). You should now have a playbook with 50 Isolation plays in it.

Now just scroll all the way down, and start adding your plays as detailed above (starting with last 3pt, ending with first Iso). No big deal right, everything's done you say. Well, no, not quite. It all goes back to your initial problem: having the plays in the order you want. While you added them in your preferred order, they aren't necessarily in that order. It's almost as if (and this could admittedly get confusing, AND, I don't even know if this is the case, as I never actively tested this theory) when adding plays on top of plays (like going through and replacing every play with an Iso), the replacement play (Iso) acted as a type of placeholder.

So say you replaced 3pt 6 (last play in default PB) with Iso 1 (first Iso play added via replacement). Wherever 3pt 6 appeared in the play calling screen, whichever 3pt play you add in it's place will appear in the same place. However, if you add, say a PNR play, over an Iso play that replaced a 3pt play, then that PNR play will go to the front of the PNR line. Yes, confusing, and really unnecessary.

So what do you do? Well, here's where it gets really time consuming. You've already written down your preferred order of plays right? Well, after replacing all plays in your PB, and adding those 50 plays, now it's time to head over to the Assign Play screen so you can see the actual order the plays are in in-game. What I would do (and there is no 'Right' way to do this, you do it how you wish), is first, clear all play types from any single player, then, starting give them one play type at a time, and in each play type, write down the play order on your already written down preferred order. So on one side (left) you have your preferred order, and next to them (right) the actual order the plays are in. Then it's a game of add and switch.

You find the first play (on the right) that doesnt match up with the left column, and replace it with a random play from the same play type (important). What I found was that the very first play in each play type worked fine, as it was rarely a play that was actually used. Then you take the play you just replaced, and put it in it's proper place (by finding it on the left column, and replacing the play that's next to it in the right column), then you take that newly replaced play and put it in IT'S proper place, and on and on (at the same time, I would erase/cross out/delete each play from the right column as it is properly placed, thus keeping track of my progress). Eventually you will work your way back to the random play, though if there's alot of plays in your play type (PNR for instance), you will often have to add that random play a couple of times, as you will get back around to it without getting everything in it's correct order the first time around.

Eventually, you will move through each play type and your right column will be cleared out, and you now have a fully stocked PB with the plays in each type in your preferred order. It's still not perfect, as each play type is grouped in the play call screen, so you can't really put the plays in any order you like, but you this will atleast give you some organization.

So yeah, read that mini-novel or don't, but suffice to say it was a real pain to get your PB organized in 2K15. I'm not expecting the ability to organize plays in ANY order, regardless of play type, but hopefully it's easier to get them ordered in a specific way. Hopefully that glitch with emptying a PB and not being able to fill it again is gone, and I'll be fine with that.

Sounds about right. It was a pain and that was just 1 team.

This leads me into a question for da czar. Can we reorder plays without having to do this workaround to get the plays we want in the order we want? Has anything changed as far as how the CPU ai will call plays? Is it random? Will they call a play more often at the top of a play type as opposed to the last play in a play type?

Has anything changed for us as users here? Any little nuggets of info us play callers will appreciate? What was done to specific plays this year? Add more branching situations and options within plays this year. I realize if you dive more into this in your blog it would have been 30 pages like you said. Just curious on any new play information you got for us hardcore sim play guys:-)

[Da_Czar]

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I'm still curious if we can set freelance offense during a timeout? We could not before and it took 5-6 seconds to do as you had harassing defender on you which was annoying. On top of that it took a possession before it kicked in (czar gave me heads up on that before I even knew so I know he was aware of it) so was that fixed this year?

No on the first one. We made them start immediatley when selected. I have mentioned before that there are still times when you need to pass first. But in general they should start when you switch them on.