NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

[J_Posse]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

That is wordplay by 2K as none of the reveals have yet to show that.

Exactly, Rashidi. I would have been way more impressed had they stated that they improved player archetypes - including adding more player types - while being more consistent, uniform and exhaustive with all objective ratings/tendencies.

And that all subjective ratings and even animation packages have been tweaked for realism. I'm sure the that Beds will do a good job, but they still need to cater to kids that want to perform reverse baseline dunks with a 37 year old Kobe Bryant.

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[Mauer4MVP]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

The rookies are going to be low unless you are a once a generation talent.

I do think Turner will be higher once the season starts he rebounds, blocks shots can shoot he didn't show he could do it for the whole college season though. He is basically a stretch 4 that is a rim protector just a rare talent

Personally thought some of the ones revealed are a bit high for where they were picked. I know this was considered a relatively deeper draft than top heavy, but still.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

Personally thought some of the ones revealed are a bit high for where they were picked. I know this was considered a relatively deeper draft than top heavy, but still.

2K gets away with a ton of "ratings-speak" over the years because most people have short memories and don't double-check facts/spreadsheets/etc.

2K15 Player Ratings

http://thereal2kinsider.blogspot.com/2014/09/official-nba-2k15-ratings-analysis.html

2K15 Rookie Ratings
1-10
77/SF Andrew Wiggins
78/SF Jabari Parker
77/C Joel Embiid
74/PF Aaron Gordon
74/PG Dante Exum
76/PG Marcus Smart
76/PF Julius Randle
74/SG Nik Stauskas
72/PF Noah Vonleh
74/PG Elfrid Payton

11-20
75/SF Doug McDermott
X/SF Dario Saric
72/PG Zach LaVine
72/SF T.J. Warren
71/PF Adreian Payne
69/C Jusuf Nurkic
68/SF James Young
71/PG Tyler Ennis
71/SG Gary Harris
64/SF Bruno Caboclo

2K16 Rookie Ratings
1-10
77/PF Kristaps Porzingis - nuff said
73/SF Stanley Johnson
11-20
73/C Myles Turner
72/SG Devin Booker
72/PG Cameron Payne

Plain as day that there isn't any difference from last year (if anything the rookies might be even higher than usual).

The only thing 2K said they were adjusting was a few ATTRIBUTE scales (which will naturally lead to some minor OVR variance). It's really their way of saying "we've had screwed up rebound ratings for 10 years and it's about time we finally got around to fixing that" (which is why PF/C ratings have tanked, while perimeter positions have been unscathed - akin to ripping a bandaid off one wound to place it on another).

[Vni]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

I'm sure the that Beds will do a good job, but they still need to cater to kids that want to perform reverse baseline dunks with a 37 year old Kobe Bryant.

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Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings &amp; Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner &amp; More

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[BluFu]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner &amp; Cameron Payne

Not actually accurate, despite what 2K said.


PGs: +4
SGs: +2
SFs: -1
PFs: -13
Cs: -8


There's a reason they have been slow to release this year and have mainly only touched on rookies.

Based on only the handful of ratings we have so far, 2K16's players are on average -16 lower than before..

[J_Posse]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings &amp; Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner &amp; More

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Please, he did that one time in 30+ games. In 2K15 he can finish like he's still 20 - something years old.

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[Vni]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings &amp; Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner &amp; More

Yeah I agree, just messing with you. Kobe's too athletic in 2K15. I think shooting is about right though on SS/sim.

[23]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings &amp; Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner &amp; More

Please, he did that one time in 30+ games. In 2K15 he can finish like he's still 20 - something years old.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

He should have a season ending injury meter in the game that fills up to about half everytime he does something like that.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner &amp; Cameron Payne

Based on only the handful of ratings we have so far, 2K16's players are on average -16 lower than before..

Guards are +6
Bigs are -21

Reading is indeed fundamental.

[LorenzoDC]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner &amp; Cameron Payne

Guards are +6
Bigs are -21

Reading is indeed fundamental.

This is interesting.

Do you think any of this has to do with the way they are trying to balance things in the context of the new offensive and defensive AI, as well as the shooting?

Also, what's our sample size for those guard versus bigs averages, respectively?

Apologies, I haven't been following the ratings reveals closely.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings &amp; Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner &amp; More

Btw

Re: Dunk ratings

I did a short series of articles last year based on Dunk rating. Could work on a new one w/ end of season data. 2K barely updated dunk ratings except for a few select players.

A quick rundown of a handful as an example

% = % of FGA
92 Russell Westbrook (3.6%) - 48 Dunks (-0.8%)
88 Zach LaVine (6.2%) - 39 Dunks (NA)
86 John Wall (3.7%) - 32 Dunks (NC)
78 Damian Lillard (2.4%) - 30 Dunks (+0.3%)
75 Derrick Rose (0.6%) - 5 Dunks (NC from 2014; -1.1% from 2012)
73 Austin Rivers (2.6%) - 12 Dunks (+1.1%)
65 Tony Wroten (3.7%) - 14 Dunks (-0.1%)
60 Michael Carter-Williams (3.2%) - 27 Dunks (+0.3)
54 Lester Hudson (0.8% Career) - 2 Dunks Career
50 Marcus Smart (1.5%) - 6 Dunks (NA)
45 Jerryd Bayless (2.9%) - 15 Dunks (+1.9%)
40 Isaiah Canaan (0.0%) - 0 Dunks (NC) - Has never dunked in NBA career
30 Kyrie Irving (0.3%) - 4 Dunks (+0.1%)
27 Chris Paul (0.1%) - 1 Dunks (NC)
27 Isaiah Thomas (0.0%) - 0 Dunks (NA) - Has never dunked in NBA career
25 Tyler Ennis (1.4%) - 2 Dunks (NA)

Rose was one of the few players w/ a dunk rating edit (per usual, only the top players received any kind of edit). He had 86 out of the box (and his new rating is still way too high).

Westbrook went up 10 points which was pretty absurd given his actual production/ability, though the fact that he had a lower dunk rating out of the box than Derrick Rose didn't exactly pass the laugh test either.

You may recall LaVine had a 98 dunk rating last year out of the box. 2K nerfed that a bit but it's clear he was the best dunking PG by a large margin. The problem was he had too many dunks in traffic. PGs rarely dunk in traffic. That goes for guys like Westbrook, Wall, etc. Most of their dunks are uncontested on the fastbreak.

Bayless had a bad dunking year in 2014 and lost 24 points off his dunk rating. He since reverted back to a quality rate (playing minutes at off-guard helps, as he gets his share of alley-oops, rather than dunking off the dribble as 2K would have you believe PGs do it).

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner &amp; Cameron Payne

This is interesting.

Do you think any of this has to do with the way they are trying to balance things in the context of the new offensive and defensive AI, as well as the shooting?

Also, what's our sample size for those guard versus bigs averages, respectively?

Apologies, I haven't been following the ratings reveals closely.

http://thereal2kinsider.blogspot.com/2015/08/official-nba-2k16-player-ratings.html

POINT GUARD (11)
87 (NC) John Wall (WAS, 19.9 PER)
81 (NC) Isaiah Thomas (BOS, 20.6 PER)
75 (-1) Tony Wroten (PHI, 14.9 PER)
75 (NC) Aaron Brooks (CHI, 14.4 PER)
73 (+1) Isaiah Canaan (PHI, 12.4 PER)
72 (+2) Shelvin Mack (ATL, 13.2 PER)
72 (NC) Langston Galloway (NYK, 12.3 PER)
72 (NEW) Cameron Payne (OKC, Rookie)
70 (-1) Shane Larkin (BKN, 10.9 PER)
70 (+3) Spencer Dinwiddie (DET, 10.2 PER)
69 (NEW) Pierre Jackson (PHI, Rookie)

SHOOTING GUARD (7)
85 (NC) Kobe Bryant (LAL, 17.6 PER)
77 (+1) Avery Bradley (BOS, 11.5 PER)
74 (-1) Jodie Meeks (DET, 14.1 PER)
73 (NC) C.J. Miles (IND, 14.1 PER)
72 (+2) C.J. McCollum (POR, 13.1 PER)
72 (NC) Evan Fournier (ORL, 12.4 PER)
72 (NEW) Devin Booker (PHX, Rookie)

SMALL FORWARD (8)
94 (-2) LeBron James (CLE, 25.9 PER)
91 (-3) Kevin Durant (OKC, 27.6 PER)
74 (+2) Anthony Morrow (OKC, 14.8 PER)
74 (+1) Evan Turner (BOS, 12.8 PER)
73 (NEW) Stanley Johnson (DET, Rookie)
73 (-1) Terrence Ross (TOR, 11.2 PER)
71 (+1) Kyle Anderson (SAS, 8.2 PER)
67 (+2) Devyn Marble (ORL, 5.9 PER)

POWER FORWARD (7)
86 (-1) Pau Gasol (CHI, 22.7 PER)
77 (-3) Jared Sullinger (BOS, 17.9 PER)
77 (NEW) Kristaps Porzingis (NYK, Rookie)
76 (-3) David Lee (BOS, 17.8 PER)
70 (NC) Anthony Tolliver (DET, 11.1 PER)
69 (-3) Quincy Acy (SAC, 12.8 PER)
69 (-3) Perry Jones (BOS, 6.9 PER)

CENTER (6)
83 (-3) Al Horford (ATL, 21.4 PER)
83 (-2) Andre Drummond (DET, 21.4 PER)
81 (NC) Hassan Whiteside (MIA, 26.2 PER)
79 (-2) Rudy Gobert (UTA, 21.6 PER)
76 (-1) Tyler Zeller (BOS, 18.9 PER)
73 (NEW) Myles Turner (IND, Rookie)

Among non-Rookies
PGs: +0.44
SGs: +0.33
SFs: -0.14
PFs: -2.16
Cs: -1.60

Those are not bad PF/C who have been revealed either. Multiple stars just dropped lower than BroKebe.

[oldfruit]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings &amp; Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner &amp; More

He should have a season ending injury meter in the game that fills up to about half everytime he does something like that.

I like that idea, but you also have to give him a new badge (something like "Never Gives Up"). If he injures his right arm, he just stays on the game playing left handed.

[LorenzoDC]

Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshot Stanley Johnson, Myles Turner &amp; Cameron Payne

http://thereal2kinsider.blogspot.com...r-ratings.html

POINT GUARD (11)
87 (NC) John Wall (WAS, 19.9 PER)
81 (NC) Isaiah Thomas (BOS, 20.6 PER)
75 (-1) Tony Wroten (PHI, 14.9 PER)
75 (NC) Aaron Brooks (CHI, 14.4 PER)
73 (+1) Isaiah Canaan (PHI, 12.4 PER)
72 (+2) Shelvin Mack (ATL, 13.2 PER)
72 (NC) Langston Galloway (NYK, 12.3 PER)
72 (NEW) Cameron Payne (OKC, Rookie)
70 (-1) Shane Larkin (BKN, 10.9 PER)
70 (+3) Spencer Dinwiddie (DET, 10.2 PER)
69 (NEW) Pierre Jackson (PHI, Rookie)

SHOOTING GUARD (7)
85 (NC) Kobe Bryant (LAL, 17.6 PER)
77 (+1) Avery Bradley (BOS, 11.5 PER)
74 (-1) Jodie Meeks (DET, 14.1 PER)
73 (NC) C.J. Miles (IND, 14.1 PER)
72 (+2) C.J. McCollum (POR, 13.1 PER)
72 (NC) Evan Fournier (ORL, 12.4 PER)
72 (NEW) Devin Booker (PHX, Rookie)

SMALL FORWARD (8)
94 (-2) LeBron James (CLE, 25.9 PER)
91 (-3) Kevin Durant (OKC, 27.6 PER)
74 (+2) Anthony Morrow (OKC, 14.8 PER)
74 (+1) Evan Turner (BOS, 12.8 PER)
73 (NEW) Stanley Johnson (DET, Rookie)
73 (-1) Terrence Ross (TOR, 11.2 PER)
71 (+1) Kyle Anderson (SAS, 8.2 PER)
67 (+2) Devyn Marble (ORL, 5.9 PER)

POWER FORWARD (7)
86 (-1) Pau Gasol (CHI, 22.7 PER)
77 (-3) Jared Sullinger (BOS, 17.9 PER)
77 (NEW) Kristaps Porzingis (NYK, Rookie)
76 (-3) David Lee (BOS, 17.8 PER)
70 (NC) Anthony Tolliver (DET, 11.1 PER)
69 (-3) Quincy Acy (SAC, 12.8 PER)
69 (-3) Perry Jones (BOS, 6.9 PER)

CENTER (6)
83 (-3) Al Horford (ATL, 21.4 PER)
83 (-2) Andre Drummond (DET, 21.4 PER)
81 (NC) Hassan Whiteside (MIA, 26.2 PER)
79 (-2) Rudy Gobert (UTA, 21.6 PER)
76 (-1) Tyler Zeller (BOS, 18.9 PER)
73 (NEW) Myles Turner (IND, Rookie)

Among non-Rookies
PGs: +0.44
SGs: +0.33
SFs: -0.14
PFs: -2.16
Cs: -1.60

Those are not bad PF/C who have been revealed either. Multiple stars just dropped lower than BroKebe.

Interesting. Personally (and I'm no ratings guys at all), I can't draw any conclusions from it yet because the sample sizes are small enough that they are really just suggestive, not conclusive, of anything. . . yet. They do raise questions, though.

For example, of the new attribute ratings systems is based off of an all time set of benchmarks for corresponding player behavior/stats, then, by adopting a more standard ratings philosophy, did something about the balance among positions change?

That is, did they discover that, for some reason, their past subjective ratings favored bigs too much? I would find that hard to believe having played the game a few years, but was that an outcome?

Or, as they reworked ratings by attribute, did they also try to benchmark past all time PER ratings against the game's OVR ratings, and as a result, try to rework the way they computed OVR? That is, did the OVR formula under the hood change this year in how it weights attributes by position? If so, why, and based on what?

Do they think that, by trying to become more standardized in ratings, that the game will now reflect the relative historical weakness of bigs overall in the league now? Or does the OVR rating suffer because bigs get fewer stats in today's game the way it is played?

It bears watching as we get the full league ratings. To me though it raises questions. It's hard to hold out past ratings as a standard for anything when they were already pretty. . . inconsistent, but if there's more of a standard now, it would be good to hear more about how the ratings were derived this year for OVR.

And as a Kincks fan, love the KP rating, but yeah, I mean. . . huh? Rookies are dart board to rate anyway, so apparently K-Pizzle has a fan in Mike Stauffer.

Nice work, Rashidi!