FIFA 16 Demo Available Now For Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS4, PS3, PC

[Matt10]

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Doesn't seem to be faster to me...

http://youtu.be/YPMhjklQiCw

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Yeah, that looked fine actually.

Honestly, the biggest difference between FIFA 15 and 16 is very simple.

DEFENSE.

There is no man marking, no more Attention Deficit Defending (ADD) and the defensive line act the same way the midfield does, without giving their positions away. They join in the attack, and they pass the ball around through the back to reset.

If that is in the final version of 16, then we are set. Everything else can be calibrated accordingly.

[TeleTex82]

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Yeah, that looked fine actually.

Honestly, the biggest difference between FIFA 15 and 16 is very simple.

DEFENSE.

There is no man marking, no more Attention Deficit Defending (ADD) and the defensive line act the same way the midfield does, without giving their positions away. They join in the attack, and they pass the ball around through the back to reset.

If that is in the final version of 16, then we are set. Everything else can be calibrated accordingly.

That video is of a PvP game. Totally different animal than CM fifa.

[Krebstar]

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I can't wait for the full release to hear everyone talking about how they sped the game up, even if they didn't. The fact that there's musing and worry about it now has already doomed many into swearing the final code is ruined before they even play it.

The annual FIFA placebo—seeing things that aren't there, swearing gameplay was patched when it wasn't, and already deciding something will be changed before it has been.

Keep calm folks, keep calm.

[Matt10]

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That video is of a PvP game. Totally different animal than CM fifa.

Sure, sure. Like I said it's all about defense. If that is intact, we can calibrate. That's all that matters, and if FIFA 15 had what I mentioned fixed - it would have been a stellar game.

I can't wait for the full release to hear everyone talking about how they sped the game up, even if they didn't. The fact that there's musing and worry about it now has already doomed many into swearing the final code is ruined before they even play it.

The annual FIFA placebo—seeing things that aren't there, swearing gameplay was patched when it wasn't, and already deciding something will be changed before it has been.

Keep calm folks, keep calm.

Agreed, you have to start accepting what you see and draw your own conclusions at this point. I've watched a lot of FIFA 16 footage within the last 24 hours than I should. The consistency of the defense is there, and that's all I am concerned about to establish a base of where to dissect the game.

[TeleTex82]

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I guess at this point I'm kind of tired of waiting to see if things can be calibrated. Despite the improvements, that old familiar feeling of never being quite in control of your actions on the pitch remains. Even with all manual controllers, there is still the feeling that fifa is just filling quotas before the end of the game. A certain number of fouls, a certain number of missed chances, a certain number of crossbars hit, a certain amount of time between goals. It's like constantly being led by the hand.

My brother and I, both ardent fifa players since the days of the Sega Genesis, have independently decided to opt for PES this year. At least until he community has had plenty of time to work with fifa. He put it in a way I had never thought to express it. PES is like playing an open-world sandbox game vs an old school linear platformer. In PES you are rewarded for your creativity, rewarded for putting the time in and actually learning to use the all manual controls. You are presented with challenges that you have to adapt to, and that in turn, adapt to you. For the past couple of years fifa has become predictable and redundant. Just going from point A to point B. This year has made some improvements, no doubt, but are they enough? If I'm in the 3 season of my CM will I be rewarded every game with a different experience? I'm not seeing that from the demo, but I remain somewhat hopeful.

On top of everything else, one can't ignore the incredibly corrupt nature of Fifa the organization. The thousands of migrant deaths that have resulted from the building of stadiums in Qatar for a bought World Cup. EA has a dodgy history of its own in terms of employee treatment and standards and practices. At some point you have to question whether the subpar game is worth it.

[RoyceDa59]

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I can't wait for the full release to hear everyone talking about how they sped the game up, even if they didn't. The fact that there's musing and worry about it now has already doomed many into swearing the final code is ruined before they even play it.

The annual FIFA placebo—seeing things that aren't there, swearing gameplay was patched when it wasn't, and already deciding something will be changed before it has been.

Keep calm folks, keep calm.

Honestly still plan on taking a plunge and buying it regardless because I am curious to see what can be done on the tactical side of things in this years version because they seem to actually work. And honestly if they touch the normal setting speed of the game I am fine as long as the Slow setting isn't altered as well. Also, the Women's team alone may be enough reason for me to buy the game because the gameplay in that mode is so refreshing. It also shows me that the FIFA dev team has the potential to pull off the players likeness to a great degree as well.

[Matt10]

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I guess at this point I'm kind of tired of waiting to see if things can be calibrated. Despite the improvements, that old familiar feeling of never being quite in control of your actions on the pitch remains. Even with all manual controllers, there is still the feeling that fifa is just filling quotas before the end of the game. A certain number of fouls, a certain number of missed chances, a certain number of crossbars hit, a certain amount of time between goals. It's like constantly being led by the hand.

My brother and I, both ardent fifa players since the days of the Sega Genesis, have independently decided to opt for PES this year. At least until he community has had plenty of time to work with fifa. He put it in a way I had never thought to express it. PES is like playing an open-world sandbox game vs an old school linear platformer. In PES you are rewarded for your creativity, rewarded for putting the time in and actually learning to use the all manual controls. You are presented with challenges that you have to adapt to, and that in turn, adapt to you. For the past couple of years fifa has become predictable and redundant. Just going from point A to point B. This year has made some improvements, no doubt, but are they enough? If I'm in the 3 season of my CM will I be rewarded every game with a different experience? I'm not seeing that from the demo, but I remain somewhat hopeful.

On top of everything else, one can't ignore the incredibly corrupt nature of Fifa the organization. The thousands of migrant deaths that have resulted from the building of stadiums in Qatar for a bought World Cup. EA has a dodgy history of its own in terms of employee treatment and standards and practices. At some point you have to question whether the subpar game is worth it.

I agree with your bro to a certain extent, that extent being with how badly broken PES has been for PES 14 and PES 15. I think the nostalgia is fitting to what he says, but the reality is that is not the FIFA or PES that we play anymore. It's now about which one has the less bugs (for me gameplay) and what can be fixed. FIFA is my go to because I can modify it without waiting on a gameplay editor like I've had to do in PES. PES 15 didn't have an editor for the PC, so I wasn't able to globally edit anything. I spent a whole week, non-stop, editing PES 14 with the global editor - with no luck. No matter what the defenders continued to follow those attackers all the way into the box - all the way to the goal-line (and probably out of the stadium if it was possible), it was a joke - and it wasn't the PES that I grew to love. It's funny because PES 13 was such an incredible game, but they completely scrapped it with the new engine.

Eitherway, I digress and don't want to start the elusive PES v FIFA debate. I'm ecstatic to see that FIFA is on the right course, especially of what you can see from the women's game. If they can reach that potential, then surely they can do it for the men - which I believe they have. I mentioned last night, the biggest difference between the two is the aesthetic of that the ball "looks" bigger at the women's feet than it does for the men. This reminded me of when I had edited the calves of each PES player for PES 4, so the ball stood out more and didn't just blend in with their feet. It was a "feel" thing, and that's where FIFA 16 has gotten it right with the women's game, without even trying.

Honestly still plan on taking a plunge and buying it regardless because I am curious to see what can be done on the tactical side of things in this years version because they seem to actually work. And honestly if they touch the normal setting speed of the game I am fine as long as the Slow setting isn't altered as well. Also, the Women's team alone may be enough reason for me to buy the game because the gameplay in that mode is so refreshing. It also shows me that the FIFA dev team has the potential to pull off the players likeness to a great degree as well.

That's definitely a good point, haven't seen anyone play with the game on slow yet (from the videos I'm researching), so hopefully they don't touch that.

[KG]

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Honestly still plan on taking a plunge and buying it regardless because I am curious to see what can be done on the tactical side of things in this years version because they seem to actually work. And honestly if they touch the normal setting speed of the game I am fine as long as the Slow setting isn't altered as well. Also, the Women's team alone may be enough reason for me to buy the game because the gameplay in that mode is so refreshing. It also shows me that the FIFA dev team has the potential to pull off the players likeness to a great degree as well.

As much fun as the women's game is I need games with purpose (ala CM, BAP, online, etc...) I can't just play friendlies all year.

[TeleTex82]

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I agree with your bro to a certain extent, that extent being with how badly broken PES has been for PES 14 and PES 15. I think the nostalgia is fitting to what he says, but the reality is that is not the FIFA or PES that we play anymore. It's now about which one has the less bugs (for me gameplay) and what can be fixed. FIFA is my go to because I can modify it without waiting on a gameplay editor like I've had to do in PES. PES 15 didn't have an editor for the PC, so I wasn't able to globally edit anything. I spent a whole week, non-stop, editing PES 14 with the global editor - with no luck. No matter what the defenders continued to follow those attackers all the way into the box - all the way to the goal-line (and probably out of the stadium if it was possible), it was a joke - and it wasn't the PES that I grew to love. It's funny because PES 13 was such an incredible game, but they completely scrapped it with the new engine.

Eitherway, I digress and don't want to start the elusive PES v FIFA debate. I'm ecstatic to see that FIFA is on the right course, especially of what you can see from the women's game. If they can reach that potential, then surely they can do it for the men - which I believe they have. I mentioned last night, the biggest difference between the two is the aesthetic of that the ball "looks" bigger at the women's feet than it does for the men. This reminded me of when I had edited the calves of each PES player for PES 4, so the ball stood out more and didn't just blend in with their feet. It was a "feel" thing, and that's where FIFA 16 has gotten it right with the women's game, without even trying.



That's definitely a good point, haven't seen anyone play with the game on slow yet (from the videos I'm researching), so hopefully they don't touch that.

Have you played the 2016 Demo? Very very encouraging.

Is it possible that EA included the Women's team to "safely" test two possible gameplay options for future iterations? That would be a very smart way to hedge their bets.

[mfp]

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Everyone should expect the final retail code to be at least slightly faster than the demo. It happens every year. But it's not because EA are pandering to the FUT crowd - it's because the refinements that occur to key features, like dribbling, player movement, passing, shooting, etc, between the demo and release result in a slightly more responsive, sharper, quicker gameplay.

This isn't necessarily a horrible thing as long as the game retains its current balance between attack and defense. The biggest problem with last year was the terrible defensive AI and the horrible imbalance between attacking and defensive abilities. They've upgraded the defense and rebalanced key aspects, clearly evident in the demo, and after spending the whole year addressing these things they're not just going throw them under the bus between the demo and retail release because of a knee-jerk reaction by the FUT and arcade crowd.

[mfp]

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Have you played the 2016 Demo? Very very encouraging.

Is it possible that EA included the Women's team to "safely" test two possible gameplay options for future iterations? That would be a very smart way to hedge their bets.

The women's game does play an awesome game of football. I just don't know how far they can take it.

Do they have the resources to add women's leagues, a women's FUT, a women's CM? Honestly I don't see any of that happening, but I suppose anything is possible if the demand for it is there.

[TeleTex82]

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The women's game does play an awesome game of football. I just don't know how far they can take it.

Do they have the resources to add women's leagues, a women's FUT, a women's CM? Honestly I don't see any of that happening, but I suppose anything is possible if the demand for it is there.

What I mean Is whether they are using the women's game as a testing ground for taking the men's in a new direction without actually having to try it in a full-fledged release.

[SpritePuck]

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You can speculate and speculate about what EA will do. Personally, I opted to call and sit on hold a while and ask. The answer I got was something to the likes of. "We are aware that some feel the players are too 'heavy' in the demo. However, this is due to a more realistic player physics. Currently there is no planned patch and the physics will remain as they are. The game at release will play mostly like the demo with a slight polish of player movement graphics not player control."

If you doubt me call them yourself. Now, will this hold true? There is no way I can say but at least give them a chance.

Personally my opinion is if you like PES play it... Why some feel compelled to explain why they choose the one over the other baffles me. Sure in a comparison review go for it. But a thread about FIFA demo and people start up... "Umm dude I am getting PES because the box it ships in just feels more like a football game box." Do not get me wrong everyone should play what they want and can share an opinion. I will most likely get both. If someone starts a comparison thread I aill gladly contribute to what both do well. And what both slightly miss at.

The idea that FIFA is scripted and has no impact by what you do is just wrong. I always use a three person back and change to the same tactics. This greatly affects how the games are played out. I also sit back on defense and the CPU tries to bomb the ball in from the outside or or shoots long. My brother plays more as the team he is using and the CPU responds differently. The idea that PES plays like the real teams is false also. So, if PES is like the real side then I guess real football teams rarely cross the ball. Do not get me wrong I love PES but this claim is just warn out and not correct. The fact is this is like the Witcher 3 stuff about combat mechanics being "bad" compared to Bloodborne. The issue is they are way different. So, if you play a ton of one and then go to the other (I did this) then try to play it like the one you are used to (muscle memory) it is suddenly "broken". In fact they both rock and just are way different focus of strategy. Think of jumping from PES to FIFA or FIFA to PES in this same way. Rarely is anyone not more used to one than the other. When I switch over unless I custom controls I go to cross and send a missle shot at the side of the net. Muscle memory is a funny thing... I can tell myself "square square push square and bam I press circle".

Ever watch a really good softball or baseball hitter who never plays golf swing a club? If you do get the chance notice how they no matter how much instruction recieved will at first push there wrists and hips so far forward that the meanest slice you ever saw occurs. Years and years of muscle memory can not be erased because one simply hears what to do differently. Exactly why a coach in all sports would rather get a good athlete who has never played than an athlete who was poorly coached and has bad habits.

What does this have to do with FIFA? In my opinion everything. PES plays well. FIFA plays well. Yep, they are different. Both demos seem to show improvements over last years game. Guess what they are different games though and my bet is whichever one you "loved" last year will be the one you "love" this year. I refuse to bash one to build up the other.

I will say from the demo FIFA feels like a solid game. The women's teams play better and more life like than any football game to date. Just my opinion. Will they completely change this next week before release? I doubt they could even if they wanted to but my impression if the IT guy I spoke with knows anything is they do not intend or want to.

Okay done ranting... continue on, and anyone who wants PES do not take offense, I want the game also. Though do not see what PES does well meaning FIFA is a disgrace. If there is a review comparison thread, I will post why for the first time I could live with just one of the games but this is not really the place to go into which or why. My advice be happy both have demos, play both and pick which makes you the happiest. Or get both if money allows.

EA showed passion and heart in football. This demo is full of the work of people who really care about the product they made. It shows and is a blast to play.

Seriously done ranting... hope no one is offended, that was not my intent.

[Krebstar]

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Honestly still plan on taking a plunge and buying it regardless because I am curious to see what can be done on the tactical side of things in this years version because they seem to actually work.

I so much want to have my hands on the full version to play with tactics, as it's a pain in the *** to do it in the demo, especially with short games.

But there still seem to be some good things happening. To an extent certain things need to be "hacked" for lack of a better term for them to work better, but I'll take that over them not working.

Something I tried this morning was putting Neymar and Messi in LAM and RAM positions as opposed to LW and RW. The reason is that in a default 4-3-3, the game likes to play quicker pace despite what the tactics say. But by bringing them in further and changing their position, it seemed to create more short passing and possession. I also put the fullbacks as wingbacks, so they came up to provide a wide outlet on attack.

Overall, things still seem promising.

[nunogomes]

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Also, the Women's team alone may be enough reason for me to buy the game because the gameplay in that mode is so refreshing.

The women´s game is better than the man´s game. It feels like football, honestly, i think it´s the stats of the female players. They are generally lower and that may be of some importance. Also, the tactics may have a particular thing in them that makes the game feel better.

Whatever it is, we need to find out and try to reproduce it on the men´s game.

I agree with your bro to a certain extent, that extent being with how badly broken PES has been for PES 14 and PES 15.

I spent a whole week, non-stop, editing PES 14 with the global editor - with no luck. No matter what the defenders continued to follow those attackers all the way into the box - all the way to the goal-line (and probably out of the stadium if it was possible), it was a joke - and it wasn't the PES that I grew to love. It's funny because PES 13 was such an incredible game, but they completely scrapped it with the new engine.

Matt, it´s incredibly bad luck that the PES you tryed to edit was the worst football game ever made: PES 14. Also, PES 15 on PS3 was only marginnaly better, but i can assure you that PES 15 on PS4 (or xbox one) was a completely different beast, and i am sure that if you played it enough you would have loved it.

Give a try on PES 16 (not on PS3 or 360!) im sure you will find at least a very good offensive AI on the CPU and maybe get some fresh ideas for FIFA 16.

EDIT: you will also find that 90% of the finesse shots to the far post will go in unfortunately. I believe there is a similar problem on the FIFA demo but to the NEAR post and not as obvious and blatant as in PES.