NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Point Guards (UPDATED)

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  • Saix12345
    Rookie
    • May 2015
    • 9

    #151
    Originally posted by YungGun
    Based on what? The only thing Curry should have over Russ is shooting. Maybe even give him a slight advantage in the Shot IQ rating. Like the slightest advantage.
    I agree. Curry has been super hyped up after his team won a championship and didn't play a single healthy team. You could name 6+ better than Curry. LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook and James Harden.

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    • Saix12345
      Rookie
      • May 2015
      • 9

      #152
      Russell Westbrook also averaged more assists than Curry. Just because Curry throws better flashier passes doesn't mean he is a better playmaker.

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      • BluFu
        MVP
        • May 2012
        • 3596

        #153
        Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards

        Originally posted by YungGun
        Based on what? The only thing Curry should have over Russ is shooting. Maybe even give him a slight advantage in the Shot IQ rating. Like the slightest advantage.

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        • redsox4evur
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jul 2013
          • 18169

          #154
          Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards (UPDATED)

          Just going with Bigger names:

          Rubio: 77
          Delly: 70
          Patrick Beverley: 76
          Lavine: 73
          Clarkson: 75
          Marcus Smart: 74
          Rondo: 77
          MCW: 77
          Jennings: 80
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          • Bigman101
            Rookie
            • Nov 2014
            • 48

            #155
            Ty Lawson better be label a sg then cuz I don't see him lower than a 80

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            • redsox4evur
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2013
              • 18169

              #156
              Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards (UPDATED)

              Originally posted by Bigman101
              Ty Lawson better be label a sg then cuz I don't see him lower than a 80
              Did you not see the reply to your other post? He's an 81...
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              • ojandpizza
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2011
                • 29807

                #157
                Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards

                Originally posted by Sundown
                I hope KD's lower rating is due to an injury bump, which would be refreshing to see. Of course there are other players that this should have more heavily effected but it's good if that's the case.

                I feel that Curry surpassed CP3 this season and certainly made that point in some of their head to head matchups. I certainly wouldn't have minded if Curry was a 92 and CP a 91.

                It's not really about "surpassing" though. This is about ratings generating an overall.

                It's just tough to see Chris Paul lower when he should likely have much better passing ratings, hands, defense, steals, etc.. Ratings that should have large impact on the PG spot. Curry had a better year, he's a better shooter, it's just hard to imagine his attributes leading to a better overall.

                Same could be said for Westbrook though. He would be ahead in all athletic categories for sure. Speed, vert, quickness, strength, steals, dunks, defense, hands, blocks, rebounds, etc.

                Just makes me believe that Curry is really overrated in lots of areas or that shooting ratings are a huge weight in the system.


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                • Sundown
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 3270

                  #158
                  Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards

                  Originally posted by YungGun
                  Based on what? The only thing Curry should have over Russ is shooting. Maybe even give him a slight advantage in the Shot IQ rating. Like the slightest advantage.

                  Passing, shooting, handles, offensive iq, defensive iq, defense, playmaking, and pretty much most aspects of the game except for rebounding, athleticism, penetration, and getting to the line.

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                  • Saix12345
                    Rookie
                    • May 2015
                    • 9

                    #159
                    Originally posted by Sundown
                    Passing, shooting, handles, offensive iq, defensive iq, defense, playmaking, and pretty much most aspects of the game except for rebounding, athleticism, penetration, and getting to the line.
                    Steph Curry's Defense is really overrated.

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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #160
                      Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards (UPDATED)

                      Originally posted by Sundown
                      While Curry on OKC would not necessarily make OKC better this past season, Westbrook on GSW would certainly make GSW worse, and they likely would not have won the title.

                      I do believe if you swapped Curry with Westbrook with a healthy Durant on OKC, OKC would perform better and Curry would be a better compliment to Durant, and well, that entire team.

                      And rating Curry above Westbrook involves much more than looking at box scores and advanced stats. Curry is a better player when all those contexts are factored in. NO ONE was calling GSW stacked the year before when it had almost exactly the same roster, and Curry was already performing better than Westbrook when coached by an equally terrible coach-- Mark Jackson is basically Scott Brooks, with even MORE isolation and less passing. Brooks enabled Westbrook to basically play the way he wants to play and ball dominate in a way that takes shots away from the better player. Meanwhile, Curry was always a ball moving guard that was actually being coached in a system that was counter to some of his personal tendencies by Jackson.

                      If anything, I would think those who are prone to overrate Westbrook factor in less context and are more prone to be influenced by simple box score numbers.

                      Even if all this inefficient stuff you keep rambling about was 100% facts, this is a 2k rating. There isn't an attribute to reflect any of that stuff.

                      There isn't a "Curry is steadily more efficient and would compliment KD better" attribute score in 2k.

                      It'll be interesting to see what the individual ratings are, but Russ is so good in so many areas, along with likely the best athletic attributes in the league, it's almost surprising he isn't the top guard based on that alone. Even though technically he probably isn't the best PG in the league.


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                      • Bigman101
                        Rookie
                        • Nov 2014
                        • 48

                        #161
                        Originally posted by BluFu
                        He's an 81

                        <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ty Lawson- OVR 81 <a href="https://t.co/Qp3tt0MZzX">https://t.co/Qp3tt0MZzX</a></p>&mdash; Mike Stauffer (@2Kstauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/2Kstauff/status/644673561450274816">September 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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                        • Sundown
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 3270

                          #162
                          NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards (UPDATED)

                          Originally posted by ojandpizza
                          It's not really about "surpassing" though. This is about ratings generating an overall.

                          It's just tough to see Chris Paul lower when he should likely have much better passing ratings, hands, defense, steals, etc.. Ratings that should have large impact on the PG spot. Curry had a better year, he's a better shooter, it's just hard to imagine his attributes leading to a better overall.

                          Same could be said for Westbrook though. He would be ahead in all athletic categories for sure. Speed, vert, quickness, strength, steals, dunks, defense, hands, blocks, rebounds, etc.

                          Just makes me believe that Curry is really overrated in lots of areas or that shooting ratings are a huge weight in the system.


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                          I would have a hard time seeing the opposite-- that the player with the most measurable impact on the game and considered a better player is rated less highly than their peers just because you can name some categories other players excel in. I for one am glad 2K appears to no longer be overrating athleticism in the OVRs.

                          Curry was the most impactful PG, so whatever he's doing should be giving him the highest OVR at the PG spot. And 2K no longer just rates by position, but player role type. There's no such thing as overrating efficient GOAT level shooting, especially in a position that has the least impact on defense, and when that does translate to actual historical impact.

                          Curry is likely ranked as an Offensive Superstar, where high shooting bumps the OVR, and for how much his shooting impacts the game, that seems completely appropriate. If the formula is correct, there would be no need to overrate him just to get his rating bumped.
                          Last edited by Sundown; 09-17-2015, 09:45 PM.

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                          • Sundown
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 3270

                            #163
                            NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards (UPDATED)

                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                            Even if all this inefficient stuff you keep rambling about was 100% facts, this is a 2k rating. There isn't an attribute to reflect any of that stuff.

                            There isn't a "Curry is steadily more efficient and would compliment KD better" attribute score in 2k.

                            It'll be interesting to see what the individual ratings are, but Russ is so good in so many areas, along with likely the best athletic attributes in the league, it's almost surprising he isn't the top guard based on that alone. Even though technically he probably isn't the best PG in the league.


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                            You consider talk about shooting efficiency rambling? That's kind of a head scratcher.

                            Offensive efficiency is sort of central to any objective basketball analysis. I mean it's simply points on the board vs. possessions or shot attempts taken. Factor in freethrows if you want to get fancy. Essentially dude takes a lot of shots and misses a lot, while another player scores more with the same attempts.

                            It's a lot simpler, objective, and less "rambling" than asserting that a player is better than another with vague hand waving, especially when the numbers don't show it.

                            The "efficiency" stat for Curry is his shooting numbers and ratings. The efficiency for Curry's playmaking is in his passing rating. Curry is a better player/compliment to Durant than Westbrook because of his IQ, skills, and tendencies-- he needs less possessions and shots to score leaving more shots for KD which Curry will gladly manufacture.

                            You're right that there's no rating for fit, but there are tendencies. Unfortunately tendencies don't affect ratings but it would certainly be interesting if tendencies towards or against a player's strength or weaknesses affected their OVRs (like someone who shoots in volume inefficiently).

                            At any rate I was responding to the assertion that considering Curry as a better player than Westbrook doesn't factor in context if their positions were switched, when there's plenty of reason to believe Curry would fit Durant even better, (and Westbrook would be worse for GSW). No, that's not a 2K stat, but there are plenty of things Curry does that makes him so that are modeled by 2K.
                            Last edited by Sundown; 09-17-2015, 09:34 PM.

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                            • MarkWilliam
                              72-10
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 2325

                              #164
                              Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards (UPDATED)

                              Ratings are subject to change.


                              Ratings threads are prone to arguments.


                              I wonder if 2K releases ratings, gets the popcorn and then sits back entertained....

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                              • Sundown
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 3270

                                #165
                                NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Point Guards (UPDATED)

                                Originally posted by Saix12345
                                Steph Curry's Defense is really overrated.

                                It's not that great-- it's now a bit above average to good in a team concept-- but it's better and more intelligent than Westbrook's or Irving's.


                                Originally posted by Saix12345
                                Russell Westbrook also averaged more assists than Curry. Just because Curry throws better flashier passes doesn't mean he is a better playmaker.

                                With a much worse turnover ratio, which is pretty much the standard for judging playmaking ability. Just because Westbrook gets a lot of raw assists doesn't make him a better playmaker either.
                                Last edited by Sundown; 09-17-2015, 09:43 PM.

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