NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Power Forwards

[Real2KInsider]

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NBA 2K's solution for Millsap is to inflate him in various areas to buff his OVR to an acceptable level. Do not believe them for a minute when they say they don't have specific OVR ratings in mind for players, it is a bald-faced lie.

Millsap (NBA 2K, 85 OVR)
Inside Scoring: A
Mid-Range: C+
3PT Scoring: C+
Playmaking: C
Perimeter Defense: C+
Post Defense: B
Rebounding: A-
Physicals: C+
Basketball IQ: A

Millsap (Rashidi, 79 OVR)
Inside Scoring: B-
Mid-Range: B
3PT Scoring: B-
Playmaking: C
Perimeter Defense: B+
Post Defense: B
Rebounding: B-
Physicals: B
Basketball IQ: A

Pretty obvious where the ground gets covered.

Specifically, Millsap's attributes are
96/79 S/M Layup (63 FG%, 63% Ast'd)
88/75 S/M Close (36 FG%, 49% Ast'd)
89 Post Control (0.72 PPP, 13% of Possessions, 28.8 Percentile)
80/84 O/D Reb (20/10 points overrated by scale)

It is very clear from watching Paul Millsap he is a quality and effective player. Yet, an accurate representation of his versatility will not be fairly reflected in NBA 2K. Rather than spend time fixing this, 2K just spends time figuring out how many band-aids they should apply to a player.

It is NOT like they don't revisit these algorithms on a yearly basis. They have to adjust the formula every single time they add or remove an attribute. The changes they made in NBA 2K15 made the discrepancy WORSE than it was before, and I have been trumpeting that ever since I picked up on it.

[ClipsFanSince98]

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Finally Griffin as a top 10 player gets a solid overall (usually he's only 83-85 ish). I agree with you guys though that the bigs formula is screwed and leads to inaccurate stats. On Griffin specifically his rebounding and passing get underrated a lot while his defense gets overrated.

Griffin usually averages 2-3 apg in these games where as in real life he's a consistent 4+ apg type player who averaged 5+ last season. Also rebounding is underrated because Griffin is actually a really good rebounder who's being hurt by DJ being next to him and the system Doc has in place. He led the NBA playoffs through 14 games this year at 12.7 rpg and he has a career average of about 10, despite the really down year last season where he played a ton on the perimeter and DJ averaged like 15 rpg.

[ClipsFanSince98]

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Overall though... gotta say this may be the best year yet in terms of rati by accuracy outside of a few exceptions. But it's okay, I'd rather have to manually adjust a few ratings on my team (like lowering Jamal Crawford way down, Griffin a tad up on passing/rebounding) than them make a mediocre game like last year. They have a known pattern of every 2nd year being the big leaps and this year looks no different.

1. Huge jump to defensive system. Before you couldn't make a defensive specialist that worked much, because offense always beats defense in these games.

2. Higher IQ of the AI.

3. More depth to My Career.

4. Team relocation and rebrand.

I'm sold.

[eko718]

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I agree about '02-'03 Dirk having a rating that is not consistent with his production. His numbers were pretty well rounded that year (25 ppg, 38.5% on 3pter's/4 attempts per game, 9.9 reb per game, 1.4 stls, 3 apg, and 1 bpg) and the way players seem to be rated currently compared to their stats, if he were rated accurately in each category it might yield a result closer to 90 than the 85 rating he has now.

[stillfeelme]

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These ratings debates are comical for the most part. I kind of see what 2K is doing they need certain players/teams to be rated higher in order for the simulation to predict the better teams to make playoffs, all star type appearances etc, free agency demand etc. Sounds like the formula needs to be reworked for bigs

Milsap is a good example and the Hawks as a whole they basically show that the sum of the pieces are better than the individual players.

They usually have 5 floor spacers on the court and you usually can't really key off one person because of the way they can move the ball.

I am interested in seeing Draymond Green's rating, if you have the ability to guard perimeter and post very well your rating should be high, shoot the three and facilitate maybe an 80

[MoneyOvaHuds]

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I just want the game now , Friday still seems so far away . I just want to lay in my bed and sleep.

[cbpo]

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These ratings debates are comical for the most part. I kind of see what 2K is doing they need certain players/teams to be rated higher in order for the simulation to predict the better teams to make playoffs, all star type appearances etc, free agency demand etc. Sounds like the formula needs to be reworked for bigs

Milsap is a good example and the Hawks as a whole they basically show that the sum of the pieces are better than the individual players.

They usually have 5 floor spacers on the court and you usually can't really key off one person because of the way they can move the ball.

I am interested in seeing Draymond Green's rating, if you have the ability to guard perimeter and post very well your rating should be high, shoot the three and facilitate maybe an 80

Draymond's an 82. They released a vid with all the ratings

[ojandpizza]

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What angers me is that I've been saying for the last month that the "Hall of Fame rating system" is over-hyped marketing trash, due in part to YEARS of saying the PF formula is clear-cut garbage.

And here we are.

SHOOTING GUARDS
94 - Allen Iverson (2001)
88 - Joe Dumars (1989)
86 - Richard Hamilton (2004)
85 - Michael Cooper (1987)
84 - Byron Scott (1987)
82 - Larry Hughes (2007)

POWER FORWARDS
90 - Karl Malone (1998)
86 - Tim Duncan (1998)
85 - Dirk Nowitzki (2003)

Please please please someone tell me I'm wrong. Because I'm not. This is ****ing pathetic.

Edit: Regarding Griffin and Aldridge, their rebound/defense ratings will be stupid overrated per usual, par for the course when 2K wants a PF to have a high rating, because lying to your consumer over a 15-year period is more effective and an efficient use of everyone's time rather than spending like 6 hours re-working an ancient algorithm.

Tim Duncan an 86 for a ROOKIE is pretty damn good man.

Griffins rebounding is usually underrated, he's one of the better rebounding 4's in the league. His numbers don't show it because he doesn't have to grab nearly as many playing next to Jordan who will snag down nearly 15 a night, but Blake averaged about 13 a game in this years playoffs. For a guy who doesn't play as close to the basket as most of these guys he's a very good rebounder.


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[ojandpizza]

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If Curry can get a 93, then the stretch 4's should get some love as well. Assuming his shooting is what bumps him THAT high (what else could) then the same should be for all shooters and not just PGs.


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[Real2KInsider]

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Tim Duncan an 86 for a ROOKIE is pretty damn good man.

Griffins rebounding is usually underrated, he's one of the better rebounding 4's in the league. His numbers don't show it because he doesn't have to grab nearly as many playing next to Jordan who will snag down nearly 15 a night, but Blake averaged about 13 a game in this years playoffs. For a guy who doesn't play as close to the basket as most of these guys he's a very good rebounder.

Duncan's rating dropped four points while the SG remained stable.

[ojandpizza]

NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Power Forwards

Did you watch Westbrook last year? Russ is a elite player but it's hard to do much of anything when the point guard plays like that.

It's tough to say really.. Ibaka had a career high in shot attempts, and minutes, the result was a career low in FG% and less ppg than last year despite Durant and Westbrook both being gone for a chunk of his games. I think the questions of if he could effectively take on a larger offensive role on a different team were answered this year.

I think in a way he's settled into Bosh syndrome where he doesn't want to cut as much, pops rather than rolls, and doesn't attack nearly as aggressively as he should. He had his opportunities to work a 2 man game with Westbrook and just looked sorta "meh" trying to understand when to pop off the screen or when he needed to attack. Kanter came later in the year and pretty much had the same role Ibaka did early on, he jumped to nearly 22 points per 36min at 56% from the field. Kanter has a nice polished game offensively but Ibaka has that youthful Dwight-like potential as a scoring threat and he definitely didn't maximize it this past season. He really flourished with Russ as Ibaka just didn't.

I'd say he's better than an average rebounder. He averaged 7.8 a game, which was tied for 29th in the NBA last season. Now, there are a lot of things to take into consideration beyond just rebounds per game, but anytime you're ahead of guys like Marc Gasol, Timofey Mozgov, and Al Horford, there's something to be said for that.

He's certainly not dominant on the boards, but "average" is probably going a little far.

He's definitely better than average when comparing him to the entire league. But for someone with his size, length, quickness, athleticism, I'd say he's average at best.

He averaged more rebounds than those guys because he played more minutes. Per 36 minutes he was ranked 119th in the league. That's pretty far down the list, he's pretty much even with Gasol (who you mentioned) though Gasol splits his boards with ZBo and has never been labeled a strong rebounder.

Also this with Durant out, and no other large rebounding threat consistently in their line-ups you would have expected a big jump forward on the glass. Like said before , especially when you factor in his intangibles (size, length, athleticism).

I've already mentioned Kanter once but going back to that point again, he basically replaced that 2nd man role when Ibaka went out for the remainder of the year. He averaged more rebounds per game (11 on 31min) than Ibaka did per 36 minutes (8.5). In fact Kanter average nearly 13 boards per 36 minutes which is damn near double what Ibaka was giving them.

I know generally speaking Kanter is usually a little closer to the rim on offense, but Ibaka's potential as a rebounder is far superior to Kanter's. And Kanter working the P-n-R with Westbrook he was much smarter about picking when to crash towards the rim than Ibaka was.

You look at the guys like Jordan, Drummond, Dwight, who aren't too far away from Ibaka's size/athleticism and they are worlds better on the glass.

Overall Ibaka finally had his chance to step up and show he was capable of being more than what he had been in the past if given the bigger role.. Rather he had arguably his worst season in the league, as far as expectation/opportunity goes.


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[ojandpizza]

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Duncan's rating dropped four points while the SG remained stable.

Lots of players have raised/dropped.. It seems that maybe the guards in general are getting the more "overall friendly" rating systems.. That would explain why LeBron isn't a little higher, Durant as well.

I think the most interesting overall is Hughes at an 82.. He was absolute trash that year. Decent numbers in the regular season was just a result of him getting shots. He was worthless in the playoffs. His two games in the finals were 2points and 0points, the semifinals he averaged 6 points.. He was worse than what JR Smith was this season during his finals melt down. God awful shot selection all season long, 40% from the field. TRASH.


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[Real2KInsider]

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Lots of players have raised/dropped.. It seems that maybe the guards in general are getting the more "overall friendly" rating systems.

94 (+1) Allen Iverson (01-PHI, 24.0 PER)

94 (-1) Shaquille O'Neal (98-LAL, 28.8 PER)
93 (-1) Shaquille O'Neal (95-ORL, 28.6 PER)
93 (-3) Hakeem Olajuwon (94-HOU, 25.3 PER)
90 (-3) David Robinson (98-SAS, 27.8 PER)

94 (NEW) Kevin Garnett (04-MIN, 29.4 PER)
90 (-2) Karl Malone (98-UTA, 27.9 PER)
89 (NEW) Kevin Garnett (08-BOS, 25.3 PER)
88 (NEW) Amare Stoudemire (05-PHX, 26.6 PER)
87 (-2) Shawn Kemp (96-SEA, 22.6 PER)
86 (-4) Tim Duncan (98-SAS, 22.6 PER)
85 (NEW) Dirk Nowitzki (03-DAL, 25.6 PER)

PF/C all dropped 2-4 points throughout the game.
Guards already had an OVR edge prior to 2K16.

I think the most interesting overall is Hughes at an 82.. He was absolute trash that year. Decent numbers in the regular season was just a result of him getting shots. He was worthless in the playoffs. His two games in the finals were 2points and 0points, the semifinals he averaged 6 points.. He was worse than what JR Smith was this season during his finals melt down. God awful shot selection all season long, 40% from the field. TRASH.

82 (NEW) Larry Hughes (07-CLE, 12.1 PER)

83 (-2) Terry Cummings (85-MIL, 22.1 PER)
83 (-4) George McGinnis (77-PHI, 20.5 PER)
83 (-3) Larry Johnson (93-CHA, 18.9 PER)
82 (-3) Dennis Rodman (98-CHI, 12.4 PER)
80 (-3) Dennis Rodman (89-DET, 16.3 PER)
76 (-4) Charles Oakley (95-NYK, 14.3 PER)

Combination of Hughes being stupid overrated and the guards not being penalized anywhere close to other positions.