NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Players

[ojandpizza]

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Solid is the key word. People act as if he's great.

Russ gambles because it's their play style. Always has been, just like quick shots with iffy shot selection was their offense. That's coach Brooks, that's what he wanted them to do. He wanted the tempo high, 20 shots a piece from Kd and Westbrook.

Russ is a very capable defender. Curry might be smarter defensively, but Russ can cover his man 1 on 1 just as well. Curry might be a better off ball defender, with higher awareness, but Russ has quicker hands, plays the passing lanes better than any PG in the league, he's more versatile and can guard both guard spots, his athleticism allows him to block shots and he is strong enough to keep guys from posting him up. And a better defensive rebounder.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Curry, I just think overall Westbrook is slightly higher. He gambles, he plays in a sporadic system, not everything is a clear as looking at the +/-.

If you really don't believe Russ can cover his man 1 on 1 just as well as Curry can then we just disagree. Delly sliced up Curry all finals long. He didn't score much, because he isn't a good scorer, but he consistently got wherever he wanted on the court. That isn't the mark of a great defender.

Russ also received 35 all defensive team votes this year (13 first team) to Curry's 14 (2 first team).

Regardless, CP3 is a better defender than either of them.


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[ojandpizza]

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CP3 is not better than Curry. People should just stop with that.

He's better at literally everything except shooting.

He has the best ball control in the league, he's the best passer in the league, he's a better defender, even defended Durant for crying out loud, a better post up player, he's a better ball handler: no he doesn't have he flashy crossovers but he breaks down a defense and doesn't turn it over when he gets in the lane with 5 people around him, he had his team ranked higher offensively at the end of the year, despite his big man being a dunk only player and his wing threats being extremely average. He's the best all around package of scoring, playmaking, defense that the league has right now at the PG spot.

Idk how you could claim otherwise honestly.


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[eltyboogie]

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So Much ignorance in this post. Curry is perfect where is, based off the entire body of work last year. And the idea of melo being better defensively than curry is also laughable. People so stuck in the past. Curry played solid D last year.

Curry plays with a dpoty candidate (green)
one of the best defensive centers if not the best in the league (bogut)
one of the best two way players in the league (klay)
and also iggy who is a great perimeter defender
is it illogical to think that maybe he is just a good team defender/hidden by the defensive schemes (much like prime nash) than to say he is actually a good individual defender?

[ojandpizza]

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Lol, no one was calling GSW stacked the season before and it's practically the same team.

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This simply isn't true. If you were in the actual NBA forum and not the video game forum you would see many of us calling them the best/deepest team in the league to start the season.


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[eltyboogie]

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Lol. Curry had the highest RPM in the league. He's not just riding on his team. He's as much a part of their success as they are built around his insane offense.

Curry had a better season than CP3 though they are close. He's a shade better than Harden though I think Curry teams would have a higher ceiling. Same goes for Westbrook who I consider the worst player of all of these (by a shade). He has a bigger impact on offense and slightly better impact on defense than the latter two players. It's arguable that Davis was or will immediately be better than Curry but just as easily argued that Curry had a better season.

Lol, no one was calling GSW stacked the season before and it's practically the same team.

Curry's defense has more positive impact than Melo. He also plays in a position where defense hurts you the least, and he's clearly a much better offensive player.

The difference with GSW was Kerr and the emergence of Green and Klay though...
Im not sure about advanced stats but Curry put up similar numbers in 2014 to 2015. He was more efficient and cut down on his turnovers iirc.
And Curry's shot selection is pretty bad too
Just because it goes in does not make it a good shot lol

[eltyboogie]

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Also Cousins is not better than Blake imo
Blake is just a notch under AD in my eyes
I do think Cousins is better than Aldridge though

[ojandpizza]

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The difference with GSW was Kerr and the emergence of Green and Klay though...

Im not sure about advanced stats but Curry put up similar numbers in 2014 to 2015. He was more efficient and cut down on his turnovers iirc.

And Curry's shot selection is pretty bad too

Just because it goes in does not make it a good shot lol

His pure numbers were almost identical.. His efficiency took a jump up, but I already posted in another thread how many open looks he had this year. He was the best player on the best team in the league no question about it, but that "best team" paid massive dividends to his game as well, and he's now to the point that people are somewhat overrating him.




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[ojandpizza]

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Also Cousins is not better than Blake imo

Blake is just a notch under AD in my eyes

I do think Cousins is better than Aldridge though

All of them are pretty close, I'm glad it's reflected that way in the game.


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[cbpo]

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Curry plays with a dpoty candidate (green)
one of the best defensive centers if not the best in the league (bogut)
one of the best two way players in the league (klay)
and also iggy who is a great perimeter defender
is it illogical to think that maybe he is just a good team defender/hidden by the defensive schemes (much like prime nash) than to say he is actually a good individual defender?

Ugh read previous posts jesus. DRPM TAKES INTO ACCOUNT and eliminates the otherwise skewing of curry's defensive box minus from teammates. Yes his teammates are great defenders, but he was still a net positive in DRPM, leading all pg's irrespective of how good his teammates are. Im just going to start ignoring these posts when people don't understand advanced stats at all and their arguments are based off media/previous nba seasons.

To further illuminate in case you still don't understand, an example of how DRPM works, The spurs were one of the best defensive teams in the NBA,and tony parker was on the court with Danny Green, Kawhi, Duncan etc all good to elite defenders just like curry however Tony parker still had a DRPM of - 3.33, 2nd worst among pg's to only zach lavine because the statistic eliminates skewing from his teammates.

[ojandpizza]

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DRPM is based on points per 100 possessions though. Which Does factor in how good your team defense is.


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[ojandpizza]

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[eltyboogie]

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advanced stats are garbage and a way for people that dont really know basketball to seem "smart"

at you sitting here telling me Curry is a good defender

[cbpo]

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DRPM is based on points per 100 possessions though. Which Does factor in how good your team defense is.


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No, It's simply a measure of how much of a positive or negative the person is over the average player per 100 possessions. It's not relative to that persons team. So just for any team in general based off of his performance last year, curry would be expected to be worth 1.9 points defensively over the average player. The statistic was literally designed for this purpose i don't know what else to say lol.
That's why I had to give the tony parker example of a player, who similar to curry is in a starting line up stacked with defensive players yet he still has a very negative DRPM because it eliminates the skewing from them.

[cbpo]

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advanced stats are garbage and a way for people that dont really know basketball to seem "smart"

at you sitting here telling me Curry is a good defender

Ok Charles Barkley, literally just so full of ignorance rofl. That is why nba teams spend millions of dollars on analytics departments because they're garbage, they just spend the money because they don't understand basketball and want to seem smart lmao.

[Sundown]

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advanced stats are garbage and a way for people that dont really know basketball to seem "smart"



at you sitting here telling me Curry is a good defender

Lol okay. Because at the end of the day basketball isn't actually about putting points on the board efficiently and how much a player is better at it than another.

I could easily say disparaging advanced stats is a way for people that don't really understand it to still seem knowledge and ignore the fact that objective evidence does not support their takes.

The eye test and advanced stats work together. But when advanced stats counter "impressions", "knowledge", "reputation" and other general unnuanced subjective hand waving, as does actual analysis in the case of Curry beyond simplistic disbelief there's often something going on.