Career mode fairness issues

[Snoogans194]

I currently play my career mode for FIFA 16 on pro with all sliders set to 50 for everything, assisted turned on for most things and tactical defending.
I have found that its impossible to outrun the CPU, especially on the wings, even when my players have a higher speed rating. Also, the CPU passes move way faster back and forth than when I am passing with my teammates. And third, anytime the CPU has the ball, they have tons of space and my defenders give them a cushion all the way into the box, meanwhile when I get the ball there are 2 defenders shooting out to me before I can even do anything or get away. When I try to move my guy is sluggish and they move to where I am going before I even get there.
When I played the demo, none of this happened. Everything played fair, but now when I play my career modes as manager or player, the CPU is just way too fast and way too good and closing down.

Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Is this a glitch? FIFA 15 was the same way for me and I was hoping this would be more fair. the demos are always fair but after that it never is

[NightRaven3]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

Well EA has been known to pull the whole switcher roo on us ever year. The demo when it comes out is never like the final build ever. The only way to compensate for it is to get some sliders from the slider gurus in this forum. It's like EA is afraid to keep the game like the demo even if the demo is 100x better than the final build which usually it is.

[Snoogans194]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

Well EA has been known to pull the whole switcher roo on us ever year. The demo when it comes out is never like the final build ever. The only way to compensate for it is to get some sliders from the slider gurus in this forum. It's like EA is afraid to keep the game like the demo even if the demo is 100x better than the final build which usually it is.

i wouldnt even mind if it was a bit tuned up, cause the demo is too easy, but its insane how everything just becomes unreal. Guys will stick out there leg to tackle and slide like 12 feet on one foot to get the ball from you perfectly. I also love how ill tap circle to pull a guy and the foul immediately goes up, meanwhile ill be running with the ball and the CPU defense will truck my player like 4 feet backwards and they dont call ****

[SpritePuck]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

I currently play my career mode for FIFA 16 on pro with all sliders set to 50 for everything, assisted turned on for most things and tactical defending.
I have found that its impossible to outrun the CPU, especially on the wings, even when my players have a higher speed rating. Also, the CPU passes move way faster back and forth than when I am passing with my teammates. And third, anytime the CPU has the ball, they have tons of space and my defenders give them a cushion all the way into the box, meanwhile when I get the ball there are 2 defenders shooting out to me before I can even do anything or get away. When I try to move my guy is sluggish and they move to where I am going before I even get there.
When I played the demo, none of this happened. Everything played fair, but now when I play my career modes as manager or player, the CPU is just way too fast and way too good and closing down.

Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Is this a glitch? FIFA 15 was the same way for me and I was hoping this would be more fair. the demos are always fair but after that it never is

I would try the CPU speed and or acceleration slider bump them from 50 to 49,48, or 47. The acceleration slider will affect how tightly the mark you. I know their is a marking slider. But since they accelerate slower they do not get up on you the same.

Personally bumping either Speed or Acceleration down more than 3 will make the game play bad unless you bump the human side down also.

Speed is the max speed they run.
Acceleration is how quickly they get to that speed.
Acceleration has a greater affect on overall gameplay.

If you do not want to down grade the CPU you could bump the human side up instead. I am not sure which will please you more.

[Snoogans194]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

I would try the CPU speed and or acceleration slider bump them from 50 to 49,48, or 47. The acceleration slider will affect how tightly the mark you. I know their is a marking slider. But since they accelerate slower they do not get up on you the same.

Personally bumping either Speed or Acceleration down more than 3 will make the game play bad unless you bump the human side down also.

Speed is the max speed they run.
Acceleration is how quickly they get to that speed.
Acceleration has a greater affect on overall gameplay.

If you do not want to down grade the CPU you could bump the human side up instead. I am not sure which will please you more.

yea i was hoping not to have to get into messing with sliders, though I have been checking on some of those threads to get ideas. I was more wondering if there was some setting or something that I turned on that made the game change. There are times where I play pre season friendlies and it doesnt seem so bad or cheap and then as soon as the season starts it ramps back up. So I didnt know if something in my controls or profile or something was the problem, but I guess not

[SpritePuck]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

yea i was hoping not to have to get into messing with sliders, though I have been checking on some of those threads to get ideas. I was more wondering if there was some setting or something that I turned on that made the game change. There are times where I play pre season friendlies and it doesnt seem so bad or cheap and then as soon as the season starts it ramps back up. So I didnt know if something in my controls or profile or something was the problem, but I guess not

Probably not a setting thing... It seems to me that league matches and cup ones are harder and their is some variable in the programming as, if you reach a late stage of a cup, it seems the game gets noticably harder.

I might be wrong... just what I think.

I have the same issues you do. Just sharing that so you know it is not just you.

[BL8001]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

This is just how EA makes this series. Yes sliders can help and thank goodness they are there.

I own every single FIFA made since the very beginning.

The AI has never been any good attacking. Always too cautious and too predictable. To offset this, they give the cpu D every possible advantage.

If EA did not do this, we would win games 10-0 easily.

This year they have extended the generosity to the cpu wing play.

I grabbed DeMarcos on the RB to counter the cpu outrunning me. It makes no difference. It's coding and you cannot beat it with logic.

You have to look at things in this game as being put in place so the user cannot abuse the cpu.

One day, one day we may get a smart cpu that plays fair.

I have always wished we could create our own "soul" for this game. So I could set something on that would record my gameplay ghost. I could then upload and share this team dna. Users could download it and play against this improved AI.

For example, I take a team and play the ball through the stars on the squad and take shots when chances are given and I play zone defense and occasional long balls and field swaps.

Now you get to play my ghost.

Then we would have people making madrid ghosts and Plymouth argyle ghosts and we would not have to rely on EA to make the AI play differently and fair.

Look, at this point in this games life cycle we are still talking about an AI that kicks every keeper punt and goal kick down the middle...

[aarontab]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

yea i was hoping not to have to get into messing with sliders, though I have been checking on some of those threads to get ideas. I was more wondering if there was some setting or something that I turned on that made the game change. There are times where I play pre season friendlies and it doesnt seem so bad or cheap and then as soon as the season starts it ramps back up. So I didnt know if something in my controls or profile or something was the problem, but I guess not

Adaptive AI is definitely real. They use the variable performance (the "catch up" AI in terms of temporarily boosting speed amongst other things) to attempt to make the games have "realistic" outcomes. I'm like you in that i dislike using sliders and try to do as little of it as possible until it's the only choice.

The problem, as you're discovering, is that the sliders don't fix the issue because it's not an across the board thing. The CPU just does it when it needs to. The problem with using the Acceleration slider (which DOES work) is that it also gives you an advantage at those other times when the CPU isn't getting temporary boosts. You'll likely find you have too large of an advantage in those situations.

Ultimately, this is why sliders are a poor choice for game balance. Balance one aspect and you throw off another. Some issues come through (like GK Ability) no matter what the slider is set to, even when it's 0. To answer your question, no, there isn't a setting you can change. People abused running down the wings because it was so effective in years past that EA just took away your ability to do it instead of fixing the core issue.

Best FIFA I've personally ever played - just have to suspend disbelief and accept that most CBs can run down your wingers.

[boxers]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

Having now spent some time modding the PC version of FIFA, I can confirm that there are internal settings that ramp up the difficulty for derbies, cup matches and other important games. You can adjust these on PC but you're stuck with default on consoles.

That said, I like that the CPU plays differently depending on importance or rivalry. If you play against a rival, I'm sure you'll notice that the CPU is way more aggressive/pressing than usual. The concept is good but the implementation needs some work.

Anyway, I hate to give a cop out answer but if you're on console, I would suggest playing on a lower difficulty. If you're playing on Pro, the CPU shouldn't be "cheating" but they will definitely play harder.

[buckeyezombie]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

If you play on all manuel, the game really slows down. I cant play with assisted on either FIFA or PES. It can take awhile to get the hang of it, but once you do you can never go back

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[Snoogans194]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

This is just how EA makes this series. Yes sliders can help and thank goodness they are there.

I own every single FIFA made since the very beginning.

The AI has never been any good attacking. Always too cautious and too predictable. To offset this, they give the cpu D every possible advantage.

If EA did not do this, we would win games 10-0 easily.

This year they have extended the generosity to the cpu wing play.

I grabbed DeMarcos on the RB to counter the cpu outrunning me. It makes no difference. It's coding and you cannot beat it with logic.

You have to look at things in this game as being put in place so the user cannot abuse the cpu.

One day, one day we may get a smart cpu that plays fair.

I have always wished we could create our own "soul" for this game. So I could set something on that would record my gameplay ghost. I could then upload and share this team dna. Users could download it and play against this improved AI.

For example, I take a team and play the ball through the stars on the squad and take shots when chances are given and I play zone defense and occasional long balls and field swaps.

Now you get to play my ghost.

Then we would have people making madrid ghosts and Plymouth argyle ghosts and we would not have to rely on EA to make the AI play differently and fair.

Look, at this point in this games life cycle we are still talking about an AI that kicks every keeper punt and goal kick down the middle...

its funny, cause I could swear I remember the point it went bad. FIFA 11 was the best one I ever played, and when 12 came out, for the first couple months it looked like it had managed to top 11, everything was beautiful. Then they released an update, i think the third update for FIFA 12. that update tuned up the difficulty and overall cheese of the defense. The only reason I remember that, is because NCAA 12 and Madden 12 got an update right around the same time that did the same thing to the CPU defense in those games as well, but for those it only affected when you had it on the hardest difficulty. FIFA it seems to effect every difficulty.

[Snoogans194]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

Adaptive AI is definitely real. They use the variable performance (the "catch up" AI in terms of temporarily boosting speed amongst other things) to attempt to make the games have "realistic" outcomes. I'm like you in that i dislike using sliders and try to do as little of it as possible until it's the only choice.

The problem, as you're discovering, is that the sliders don't fix the issue because it's not an across the board thing. The CPU just does it when it needs to. The problem with using the Acceleration slider (which DOES work) is that it also gives you an advantage at those other times when the CPU isn't getting temporary boosts. You'll likely find you have too large of an advantage in those situations.

Ultimately, this is why sliders are a poor choice for game balance. Balance one aspect and you throw off another. Some issues come through (like GK Ability) no matter what the slider is set to, even when it's 0. To answer your question, no, there isn't a setting you can change. People abused running down the wings because it was so effective in years past that EA just took away your ability to do it instead of fixing the core issue.

Best FIFA I've personally ever played - just have to suspend disbelief and accept that most CBs can run down your wingers.

this is exactly what happened. I changed the sliders for a couple things like 1 or 2 points and the game became WAY too easy. I ended up just setting the game speed to slow and putting all the sliders back to 50 and playing it that way. It doesnt cheese out nearly as much as when you have normal game speed, but it makes the AI attack really poor. I guess I just gotta put it up to world class and keep it on slow, hopefully that will give me the balance i want

[Snoogans194]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

If you play on all manuel, the game really slows down. I cant play with assisted on either FIFA or PES. It can take awhile to get the hang of it, but once you do you can never go back

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the problem is i dont really want to slow the pace of the game too much, or make it into a sim. I dont have time for that. What I am ultimately tryin to find is a way to make each team able to create at least a hand full of chances while playin 10 min halves or less. I want to be able to outrun a defender when I am already 3 yards behind him and have 10 more speed rating. I want to change directions as fast as the AI players do and things like that.
I dont really want a full simulation where I have to actually spend 4-5 minutes building up for one attack. I wouldnt mind that, but I would never have time to play enough games to finish any kind of season

[SpritePuck]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

Just a thought have you tried pushing the ball out infront of you with the right stick?

Once beyond the d... if you tap right stick in the direction you are running you tap the ball out infront of you then sprint to it and can repeat. Because you can run way faster not dribbling the ball in close, this is how I keep from getting caught by defenders who are slower than me.

Just an idea... it may not work for all. I actually sometimes even when even with a defender use this and can get ahead of them.

It does not work on World Class as well as Pro just a heads up.

[flo182]

Re: Career mode fairness issues

I switched from Professional to Legendary a few days ago because professional wasnt challenging anymore and World Class sucks.

I managed to get a pretty balanced experience by playing with the passing error/first touch sliders.

But I also have the speed problem. Even low-league defenders are the same speed as 90-95 speed wingers in 1on1 situations. So I put the cpu acceleration slider down to 49, but this gives me way too much of an advantage and I get by the defender nearly every time.

Very strange and I really hope EA works on the balance here.