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picker19 · 10-12-2015, 02:13 PM

For those of you who are devoted to Coach Mode as I am, it's sometimes tough to get a good slider set off of other players, because they're physically interacting with the game play, thus you can't exactly mimic how their sliders would work in coach mode. However, as Coach Mode players, we see the game in its purest form of CPU vs. CPU with no risk of human input or variations in player skill set, etc. In other words, a much more controlled environment.

Therefore, I wanted to start a thread where fellow Coach Mode players can post their game play observations in the hopes that we can learn more about the gameplay, slider impacts, and all the other little oddities Madden has (e.g., not matching sliders between the main menu and CFM menu) without worrying about any outside variables other than the teams we play with.

Finally, this is not intended to be slider set thread, although it may eventually turn into one. At this point, I just want to hear what others are experiencing to see if A) they match my experience (and if not, why?); and B) I can improve my game play experience from learning something new.

So let's begin...to start, there are several things I've observed that I wanted to share and see if others have had the same experience.

AP DEFAULT
So far, regular AP default sliders have been pretty darn good. In a recent test with the Bears without the tuner (more on that below), I went 1-4, averaging 18 points a game, and most of my stats were on par with the league average in sim stats over the same 5-week period. There were only four things that I didn't like:

Very few deflections...only averaged 1 game, when the sim engine shows a 5+ average for teams.
Too many pancakes...Bears averaged 3/game when sim engine shows other teams get 1 game, at best.
Very few fumbles...I saw only 3 fumbles in 5 games, when sim engine shows average of 1.5 fumbles per game.
No injuries...there was not one injury in all 5 games.

Tuner
There are lots of opinions out there on whether or not to play with the tuner. At this time, I am firmly in the camp of NO TUNER for Coach Mode. I did a test with the Bengals and Bears (two different CFMs), where I played the first 5 games of each CFM with the tuner and then the same 5 games without the tuner. I used AP Default. It was very clear that the tuner made a big difference, particularly on defense for the USER. In other words, the tuner seemed to give the USER team a big advantage. Here are just some examples:

With tuner...

Both Bengals and Bears had a 4-1 record.
Both teams were in the Top 10 in defense, particularly run defense (both Top 3).
USER averaged 3 sacks, 2 INTs, 3 pass deflections and 1 FF each game.
CPU run game averaged 59 ypg at 3.2 ypc versus 120 ypg at 5.3 ypc for USER.
USER averaged 35 points/game for both teams combined

Without tuner...

Bengals were 3-2, Bears 1-4
Bengals had Top 15 defense, but Bears were ranked 28th.
USER averaged 2 sacks, 1 INT, 2 pass deflections, and 0 FF a game.
CPU run game averaged 93 ypg at 4.1 ypc while USER had 94 ypg at 4.9 ypc.
USER averaged 23 points/game for both teams combined

VERDICT: I'm getting much more challenging games WITHOUT the tuner, so for now, I'm not including it.

SLIDER MATCHING
Last year, several players discovered that if you don't match the same exact slider set between the main menu and the CFM menu, you get a different game play experience. I didn't believe it at first for M15, but I tested it out again for M16, and seems to be a difference. I haven't done extensive testing on this, but here's a quick example. Using AP Default except lowering Fumble = 40, with NO matching, I saw 7 fumbles (6 for the user) in just two games as the Bears. When the sliders matching at the same slider setting, I saw zero fumbles for the same two games replayed. Another example is the overall game play. With NO slider matching, the Bears defense was a brick wall...11 sacks, 6 forced fumbles, and 6 INTs, for instance. With matching, 4 sacks, 2 INTs, and 0 forced fumbles in the same two games.

VERDICT: For now, I'm matching all sliders between the menus. I'm not 100% sure yet, but the game played way differently between the two scenarios. I liked it better with matching.

SLIDER DOMINOES
No surprise, since it's been like this for a while, but changing one slider seems to impact other areas of game play, sometimes ones that appear to have no connection. So far, I did a 4-game comparison test with the Bengals where I did AP Default vs. all default except Fumble = 40 and then another test with all default except Tackling = 40. Here's what I noticed:

Lowering Fumble to 40 negatively impacted the overall run game, while still not increasing fumble frequency. Instead it lowered YPC average by 2 yards for both USER and CPU, cut pancake average in half and also cut broken tackles in half.
Lowering Tackle to 40 did increase broken tackles by an average of 2 more a game, but it also seemed to increase QB comp % by up to 8 points for both CPU and USER.

VERDICT: I'm on the fence here. I'm just reporting the numbers I collected, but it's a small sample size. I'm not 100% yet on the tackling slider impact, but I am 90% sure that lowering Fumble does negatively impact the overall run game.

I welcome all other observations, samples opinions, etc. I'm hoping we all can learn from each other for Coach Mode.

10-12-2015, 02:13 PM	#1
picker19 Pro OVR: 1 Join Date: Oct 2004	Coach Mode Slider Observations For those of you who are devoted to Coach Mode as I am, it's sometimes tough to get a good slider set off of other players, because they're physically interacting with the game play, thus you can't exactly mimic how their sliders would work in coach mode. However, as Coach Mode players, we see the game in its purest form of CPU vs. CPU with no risk of human input or variations in player skill set, etc. In other words, a much more controlled environment. Therefore, I wanted to start a thread where fellow Coach Mode players can post their game play observations in the hopes that we can learn more about the gameplay, slider impacts, and all the other little oddities Madden has (e.g., not matching sliders between the main menu and CFM menu) without worrying about any outside variables other than the teams we play with. Finally, this is not intended to be slider set thread, although it may eventually turn into one. At this point, I just want to hear what others are experiencing to see if A) they match my experience (and if not, why?); and B) I can improve my game play experience from learning something new. So let's begin...to start, there are several things I've observed that I wanted to share and see if others have had the same experience. AP DEFAULT So far, regular AP default sliders have been pretty darn good. In a recent test with the Bears without the tuner (more on that below), I went 1-4, averaging 18 points a game, and most of my stats were on par with the league average in sim stats over the same 5-week period. There were only four things that I didn't like: Very few deflections...only averaged 1 game, when the sim engine shows a 5+ average for teams. Too many pancakes...Bears averaged 3/game when sim engine shows other teams get 1 game, at best. Very few fumbles...I saw only 3 fumbles in 5 games, when sim engine shows average of 1.5 fumbles per game. No injuries...there was not one injury in all 5 games. Tuner There are lots of opinions out there on whether or not to play with the tuner. At this time, I am firmly in the camp of NO TUNER for Coach Mode. I did a test with the Bengals and Bears (two different CFMs), where I played the first 5 games of each CFM with the tuner and then the same 5 games without the tuner. I used AP Default. It was very clear that the tuner made a big difference, particularly on defense for the USER. In other words, the tuner seemed to give the USER team a big advantage. Here are just some examples: With tuner... Both Bengals and Bears had a 4-1 record. Both teams were in the Top 10 in defense, particularly run defense (both Top 3). USER averaged 3 sacks, 2 INTs, 3 pass deflections and 1 FF each game. CPU run game averaged 59 ypg at 3.2 ypc versus 120 ypg at 5.3 ypc for USER. USER averaged 35 points/game for both teams combined Without tuner... Bengals were 3-2, Bears 1-4 Bengals had Top 15 defense, but Bears were ranked 28th. USER averaged 2 sacks, 1 INT, 2 pass deflections, and 0 FF a game. CPU run game averaged 93 ypg at 4.1 ypc while USER had 94 ypg at 4.9 ypc. USER averaged 23 points/game for both teams combined *VERDICT:* I'm getting much more challenging games WITHOUT the tuner, so for now, I'm not including it. SLIDER MATCHING Last year, several players discovered that if you don't match the same exact slider set between the main menu and the CFM menu, you get a different game play experience. I didn't believe it at first for M15, but I tested it out again for M16, and seems to be a difference. I haven't done extensive testing on this, but here's a quick example. Using AP Default except lowering Fumble = 40, with NO matching, I saw 7 fumbles (6 for the user) in just two games as the Bears. When the sliders matching at the same slider setting, I saw zero fumbles for the same two games replayed. Another example is the overall game play. With NO slider matching, the Bears defense was a brick wall...11 sacks, 6 forced fumbles, and 6 INTs, for instance. With matching, 4 sacks, 2 INTs, and 0 forced fumbles in the same two games. VERDICT: For now, I'm matching all sliders between the menus. I'm not 100% sure yet, but the game played way differently between the two scenarios. I liked it better with matching. SLIDER DOMINOES No surprise, since it's been like this for a while, but changing one slider seems to impact other areas of game play, sometimes ones that appear to have no connection. So far, I did a 4-game comparison test with the Bengals where I did AP Default vs. all default except Fumble = 40 and then another test with all default except Tackling = 40. Here's what I noticed: Lowering Fumble to 40 negatively impacted the overall run game, while still not increasing fumble frequency. Instead it lowered YPC average by 2 yards for both USER and CPU, cut pancake average in half and also cut broken tackles in half. Lowering Tackle to 40 did increase broken tackles by an average of 2 more a game, but it also seemed to increase QB comp % by up to 8 points for both CPU and USER. *VERDICT:* I'm on the fence here. I'm just reporting the numbers I collected, but it's a small sample size. I'm not 100% yet on the tackling slider impact, but I am 90% sure that lowering Fumble does negatively impact the overall run game. I welcome all other observations, samples opinions, etc. I'm hoping we all can learn from each other for Coach Mode.