NHL 16 Tuner Update For September 28

[Tonic]

Re: NHL 16 Tuner Update For September 28

I think they have a game with a seriously flawed AI engine and a budget that simply will not allow them to rebuild from scratch. I think they receive marching orders from corporate headquarters to focus on HUT and online.

Very well said, I've been saying this myself for years. EA is a profit-driven corporation that probably cares a little too much about making a profit rather than consumer relations (both communication and making a good product).

I wholeheartedly believe that Rammer and his team do a tremendous job working with what they have resource wise. I totally agree that people above their heads are telling them to focus on online and HUT as that brings in the most money for EA. I'm a firm believer that if Rammer and his team had their way, we would have the realistic, hardcore offline game that we all crave. For now, we just have to take it for what it is and enjoy it for as much as possible.

[Flyermania]

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Very well said, I've been saying this myself for years. EA is a profit-driven corporation that probably cares a little too much about making a profit rather than consumer relations (both communication and making a good product).

I wholeheartedly believe that Rammer and his team do a tremendous job working with what they have resource wise. I totally agree that people above their heads are telling them to focus on online and HUT as that brings in the most money for EA. I'm a firm believer that if Rammer and his team had their way, we would have the realistic, hardcore offline game that we all crave. For now, we just have to take it for what it is and enjoy it for as much as possible.

I'd like to believe that you're correct, but I'm not so sure. I was fortunate enough to represent OS at the Community Day for NHL 10, and spent at least 45 minutes talking with Andy D'Agostini (who was then responsible for player ratings) about player separation. This was the first year they introduced the player attributes slider, and I shared my input from editing rosters for their PC game (especially NHL 2004) to help make players stand out. Needless to say not much has changed as there is little to no player separation in this game even today. You'll see it in the sim engine, but hands-on there isn't much there.

It may be a lack of interest, a lack of resources, or maybe a lack of talent in getting it done and implemented.

[jake19ny]

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I'd like to believe that you're correct, but I'm not so sure. I was fortunate enough to represent OS at the Community Day for NHL 10, and spent at least 45 minutes talking with Andy D'Agostini (who was then responsible for player ratings) about player separation. This was the first year they introduced the player attributes slider, and I shared my input from editing rosters for their PC game (especially NHL 2004) to help make players stand out. Needless to say not much has changed as there is little to no player separation in this game even today. You'll see it in the sim engine, but hands-on there isn't much there.

It may be a lack of interest, a lack of resources, or maybe a lack of talent in getting it done and implemented.

I think this ties into online gaming though. Before online gaming player seperation existed. Now they want a level playing field for online gamers so they can roll out 4 lines and still compete. I've been playing the EA NHL series since it's very first release and back in the day you would be hard pressed to skate around and score to many goals with Tie Domi.

[Tonic]

Re: NHL 16 Tuner Update For September 28

I'd like to believe that you're correct, but I'm not so sure. I was fortunate enough to represent OS at the Community Day for NHL 10, and spent at least 45 minutes talking with Andy D'Agostini (who was then responsible for player ratings) about player separation. This was the first year they introduced the player attributes slider, and I shared my input from editing rosters for their PC game (especially NHL 2004) to help make players stand out. Needless to say not much has changed as there is little to no player separation in this game even today. You'll see it in the sim engine, but hands-on there isn't much there.

It may be a lack of interest, a lack of resources, or maybe a lack of talent in getting it done and implemented.

I think this is actually another issue altogether. I'm not sure if it was just rumored or actually confirmed, but it's the Players' Associations in all the pro sports (not just the NHL) that are preventing much player separation from happening. I personally don't believe the guys on the NHL team have much say over the ratings. With that said, roster sharing would be a very welcome feature for '17.

[AdamJones113]

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In agreement with all of the above post.

I also find it interesting to note, in passing of course, "Community Day." Just a thought.

[jake19ny]

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I think this is actually another issue altogether. I'm not sure if it was just rumored or actually confirmed, but it's the Players' Associations in all the pro sports (not just the NHL) that are preventing much player separation from happening. I personally don't believe the guys on the NHL team have much say over the ratings. With that said, roster sharing would be a very welcome feature for '17.

Now that you mention it, I heard this as well and it's totally believable. Roster sharing would be awesome and I sure miss NHLview

[Flyermania]

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Now that you mention it, I heard this as well and it's totally believable. Roster sharing would be awesome and I sure miss NHLview

NHL View was an incredible tool...that's for sure.

[northmen24]

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So just to clarify, on the PS4 all you have to do to get the out of the box tuner is delete the user profile or delete all the game data from the hard drive?

[speels]

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Now that you mention it, I heard this as well and it's totally believable. Roster sharing would be awesome and I sure miss NHLview

The thing is, if this is true, as a programmer I can make a 99 shoot like Ovechkin and a 98 shoot like a 3 yr old if I wanted to. Sure the NHLPA et al may want the ratings to be skewed to the higher end, but like I said, a 99 to a 90 can be the same as a 99 to a 40 if you tweak it right.

[jake19ny]

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So just to clarify, on the PS4 all you have to do to get the out of the box tuner is delete the user profile or delete all the game data from the hard drive?

Just user profile. Your rosters will still be there as will any season or BeaGM you started. If your just doing play now you have to reset your roster as the active one but it's still in there

[CubFan23]

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I am thinking of getting this game, If I do a new install can I decline the tuner updates?

[DylanBetts23]

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Just user profile. Your rosters will still be there as will any season or BeaGM you started. If your just doing play now you have to reset your roster as the active one but it's still in there

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you just change gameplay version to 1.00, wouldn't that be the same thing?

[shogunofharlem3]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you just change gameplay version to 1.00, wouldn't that be the same thing?

I thought that earlier and posted about it but it doesn't seem to change anything unfortunately. I think 1.00 was overwritten by 1.00. The gameplay is just brutal single player.

But since I deleted my profile the gameplay is really good. Same thought I had, but not the case. Wish it was.

However, online, in my opinion, has never been better. 2 tuners needed, offline/online. 2 very different styles of gameplay.

[DylanBetts23]

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Deleting the user profile wouldn't delete my rosters, would it?

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: NHL 16 Tuner Update For September 28

Deleting the user profile wouldn't delete my rosters, would it?

no and just dont go online and it wont update