My iso nightmare

[jeebs9]

Last week I posted a thread about my nightmare with a user who ran pick and run every single time down the floor (ended in a win). Today thread is about the changes that were made called “tweaks”. I have nothing against the guys I play online (2k let them play like this). I just want someone to tell what am I supposed to do in these situations. In a lot of these clips you will see I tried everything. I left a lot more out. My opponent not only won this game. But he beat me like a drum. It was close early on. But he pulled away in the 3rd or 4th quarter. After this game I was streaming pissed. I hadn’t felt like this in a while. All I’m trying to gather here. What could I have done? I’ve never seen someone drive baseline this many times. If Tony Allen wasn’t on him, it was an automatic blow by. And I know what people are going to say. This is James Harden like. He gets to the line a lot. So all the fouls make sense. There were times where I was just bring my players into the paint. And not press anything. And Harden would suck players into a foul animation. Harden never got tried. He played the whole game….. Actually the starters played the whole game!!! Even when I backed off this guy to shoot. He would drive. The best skill this guy had was dribbling. But only with James Harden. Even passes the ball up on open lanes.

Harden baseline blow by dunk - Mike Conley defending
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This was after he had did this for the first 12 points.
Harden baseline drive dunk - Green defending
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He did it again. The defender letting him gets by me. Even though I was playing on ball defense.
Harden baseline drive - double team jump ball
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This is the 2 of the only successful stops I had on him all game. The other was a block shot after playing off ball defense with Gasol.
Harden baseline drive - Allen flop
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These are those moments…. Where a man is tested inside.
Harden baseline drive blow by
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Just another of the long line of baseline drives that I could not do anything.
Harden baseline drive - 3 defenders another spin layup
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I finally get the numbers in my favor. I’m like finally getting a stop….. But….spin layup…..WTF… Just happen.
Harden baseline drive buzzer beater
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Most people would of probably quit after this….Even the collision detection quit on this possession. Because he goes through both teammate and his own player.
Harden bail out call - Green defense
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And then these started to happen…. The more I played off ball. The more he got by my defenders. But not only that…. But he would suck my defenders into fouls. Over and over and over again. In the play above… I did jump myself. But I thought this was clean.
Harden bail out - Gasol defense
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After what happens in the clip before…. I literally don’t press anything to see if I can at least get a contest animation….. I was wrong again…He gets again foul again….
Harden spin move - Gasol flopping?
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Another spin move in heavy traffic.
Harden bailout - Gasol defense
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If you haven’t noticed yet… I’m playing zone defense. At this point I wanted to see if he would seriously think about passing the ball to a teammate.

[Hadlowe]

Re: My iso nightmare

None of my answers are great because help defense is still too slow in most of these situations (or results in a 3 second defense call, grrrr.) Baseline is better than it was in 2k15 in that I can very occasionally stop a drive or force a turnover, but it is still pretty broken.

Was he shooting jumpers at all? Stepback threes? You might want to play a step further away from him to cut off angles better.

Was he trying to drive middle at all? If not, maybe shade baseline since your help defense will be better able to rotate to the middle of the floor?

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: My iso nightmare

Since he kept going baseline I would have then throw Allen on, force him middle, and go off ball and maybe throw a few double teams here and there.

Either way I hate players that play like this.

[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

Since he kept going baseline I would have then throw Allen on, force him middle, and go off ball and maybe throw a few double teams here and there.

Either way I hate players that play like this.

None of my answers are great because help defense is still too slow in most of these situations (or results in a 3 second defense call, grrrr.) Baseline is better than it was in 2k15 in that I can very occasionally stop a drive or force a turnover, but it is still pretty broken.

Was he shooting jumpers at all? Stepback threes? You might want to play a step further away from him to cut off angles better.

Was he trying to drive middle at all? If not, maybe shade baseline since your help defense will be better able to rotate to the middle of the floor?

Sorry I didn't mention that..... But I did.... No matter what I did.... He was still able to get to the freaking baseline. On-ball or off ball defense. With Middle.... I put gap at one point. And he still didn't shoot. He just came at me. And scored basket after basket.... Going baseline. Aqt one point he drove at Allen and even got a blocking foul on Allen. The only other stop besides the 2 I mention was a charge that the CPU got.

It really bothers me that he just drove pass me like I wasn't even there. I feel really bad because last week. I was able to play guys liek this. But after playing a game like this. I haven't played a game since that day.

[kabamaru]

Re: My iso nightmare

He basically did the same thing over and over and over because it worked!
You could try different things, like give him space or double team the ball out of harden

At least why you didn't try 2-3 zone?

If one move against your opponent is working on any possesion and you opponent is unable to guard him, why would you change it?

In real life basketball if you a team would score e.g with a pick'n' roll all game, would the say, "oh I have to score with another way too"?

[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

He basically did the same thing over and over and over because it worked!
You could try different things, like give him space or double team the ball out of harden

At least why you didn't try 2-3 zone?

If one move against your opponent is working on any possesion and you opponent is unable to guard him, why would you change it?

In real life basketball if you a team would score e.g with a pick'n' roll all game, would the say, "oh I have to score with another way too"?

Hey.... I did try 2-3.... Did you read my post? He made one jump shot. With the shot clock against him. You'll notice some of the plays are 2-3 zone defense. But that didn't stop him. He just kept getting fouls on my center. I even tried the whole left stick back with the right stick up (for the hands up animation). He still would stuck my players into a foul animation.

I'm not asking him to try something different. But every time I double teamed It wouldn't do anything. He would make a pass. And a teammate would get a dunk. Or if that didn't work. He would just pass it out and re try it again.

Before the tweaks... I could foul on call. And I usually did when I didn't want to allow an easy basket. Now I don't even control when the fouls happen. I just get sucked into them now.

[NDAlum]

Re: My iso nightmare

He basically did the same thing over and over and over because it worked!
You could try different things, like give him space or double team the ball out of harden

At least why you didn't try 2-3 zone?

If one move against your opponent is working on any possesion and you opponent is unable to guard him, why would you change it?

In real life basketball if you a team would score e.g with a pick'n' roll all game, would the say, "oh I have to score with another way too"?

So you didn't read his entire post...

This isn't real life it's a basketball game and you can only control one guy at a time. It's manipulating a plastic controller in your hand. People act like you are actually on a court. A video game has exploits that are game flaws.


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[Dmanning2]

Re: My iso nightmare

But one guy I haven't figured all the way out yet is James Harden. He's pretty crafty. I'm not impressed with his ball-handling, but his finishing skills are scary. Even though he's lefty, if he goes right he's going to put the ball out and get the foul. It's kind of tough because you don't want to get a foul called. And once you get your first or second foul, you kind of ease up

Tony Allen on guarding Harden

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/tony-allen-says-james-harden-is-the-only-scorer-he-hasn-t-figured-out-015716521.html

Regardless driving the the basket everytime shouldn't be success even for harden. 2k should fixed this

[The 24th Letter]

Re: My iso nightmare

Hate playing guys like this....

The help D, bailout calls, and the increase layup % tweak make this harder to stop than it should...but on ball D is the one place where you can have a bit of success...

I kind of expected him to be zig zagging when I read your post...what he is doing is a bit easier to stop by shading with RS and forcing him to a side. It's the closest thing you have to the CPU "stop you in your tacks" power if he tries to force his way...

I would give him some more space as well, it makes it easier to anticipate angles and you can even pick up some 'bump steals' if he's jamming turbo. What is your defensive assist on? This is personal preference, but this year it makes you WAY to slow on the defensive end...I have mine at 0 online but it defaults to 50.

If all else fails, you may need to go semi off ball...

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: My iso nightmare

I'll eat him for breakfast

Double team on the drive - game over

Let him trust someone else and start playing off ball to predict who he will pass to next

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[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

Tony Allen on guarding Harden

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/tony-allen-says-james-harden-is-the-only-scorer-he-hasn-t-figured-out-015716521.html

Regardless driving the the backet everytime shouldn't be success even for harden. 2k should fixed this

I get it.... But have you seen the stats?.... Have you read the whole post?...... I love watching Harden play. But I what I played against that night wasn't Harden. Harden would of at least taken the 4-5 three's I gave him. This guy never took out the starting line up. I never noticed this part until this morning. Looking at the game again. I played a guy like this during the first month the game was out. And he made passes. That were force by the defense. The user above got rewarded even when he played bad. There is one thing to beating a weakness in a team. But totally different beating the game over and over again.

I knew people would say Harden is hard to guard. You don't think I know that already. He gets foul on defenders. But there were a few plays up there where he wouldn't pull the trigger with wide open teammates. I had another play I didn't post. Where he had a 3 on 1 break with Harden on the wing. But knowing that he is only scoring with Harden. I just to Harden side. And left the lane WIDE OPEN. You know what he did. He STILL MADE THE PASS TO HARDEN. The reason why the pass got through. Because 2k made my defender just raise his hands up in the air when I pressed the steal button.

[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

Hate playing guys like this....

The help D, bailout calls, and the increase layup % tweak make this harder to stop than it should...but on ball D is the one place where you can have a bit of success...

I kind of expected him to be zig zagging when I read your post...what he is doing is a bit easier to stop by shading with RS and forcing him to a side. It's the closest thing you have to the CPU "stop you in your tacks" power if he tries to force his way...

I would give him some more space as well, it makes it easier to anticipate angles and you can even pick up some 'bump steals' if he's jamming turbo. What is your defensive assist on? This is personal preference, but this year it makes you WAY to slow on the defensive end...I have mine at 0 online but it defaults to 50.

If all else fails, you may need to go semi off ball...

Thanks... This one of the things I saw after playing on a thread. That I didn't use. I'll definitely be trying that next time. I was playing off-ball with force to middle after a while.... But he was still able to get to eh baseline on the computer.

I'll eat him for breakfast

Double team on the drive - game over

Let him trust someone else and start playing off ball to predict who he will pass to next

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The only 3 stops I got on him were

-The Jumpball off a double team (the clip is up there)
-And blocked shot with Gasol playing off ball (I didn't post it)
-And a charge from Allen by the CPU (playing off ball)

[The 24th Letter]

Re: My iso nightmare

Oh yeah, I learned from another OS'er

using the "conservative defense" POE stops a bit of the BS teammate fouls

[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

Oh yeah, I learned from another OS'er

using the "conservative defense" POE stops a bit of the BS teammate fouls

Thanks I'll try that out as well next time. I do usually play physical defense. Only because I want my players to be in your face defense. But again I'll see what happens.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: My iso nightmare

Oh yeah, I learned from another OS'er

using the "conservative defense" POE stops a bit of the BS teammate fouls

Thank God. I will try this out next time I play.