Post Patch On-Ball Defense

[ESRyder312]

Does anybody else feel that players can just run right around other players too easily? Before, I was rewarded by beating a person to a spot. Now, it doesn't even matter if I beat the other player to the spot, he can just hold turbo and get around me.

Case-in-point: Anderson Varejao blows by Reggie Jackson. Twice. Pau Gasol blows by Stanley Johnson.

There's no point of playing on-ball defense anymore. This is ridiculous.

I can't be the only one that feels this way.

/Rant

[theycallmeyango]

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yes, post patch i'm able run a loop around the entire D i couldn't do that before. I'll never understand video game makers. the game just needed a few small tweeks, but now i just see dumb play after dumb play. A bunch of so called basketball players who can't dribble or hit shots when they're wide open.

oh well now it's just a time filler until star wars or until i can afford fallout.

[ESRyder312]

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Almost 100 views and only 1 reply? If I'm crazy, someone tell me.

Also, I'm pretty sure that whatever was done to on-ball defense nerfed on-ball post defense as well. I'm beating post players to the spot on the baseline spin move every time, and my defensive player just moves aside like nothing happens. This is a cheeser's heaven.

This has ruined almost the entire online gaming experience for me, as this has removed any pleasure of playing 1-on-1 defense in this game.

Again, if I'm crazy, and I'm terrible at this game, someone tell me. Otherwise, others need to speak up. 2K won't fix anything if everybody stays quiet.

[2_headedmonster]

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Honestly, the way defense was set up with such physical and effective one on one defense isnt realistic. Nba defense is predicated on giving ground, taking angles and help defense. So i would suggest you back up a few steps and try to take their angle.

[ESRyder312]

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What angle would you suggest taking on a player who sits on the turbo button with Westbrook or Wall?

Also, what angle would you suggest taking when someone repeatedly uses a post spin to the baseline? Even after you've beat the offensive player to the baseline.

Not being sarcastic, genuinely asking.

[2_headedmonster]

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What angle would you suggest taking on a player who sits on the turbo button with Westbrook or Wall?

Also, what angle would you suggest taking when someone repeatedly uses a post spin to the baseline? Even after you've beat the offensive player to the baseline.

Not being sarcastic, genuinely asking.

Take the person whos supposed to be defending the inbounder and shadow/ impede his progress until he slows or passes. If he keeps forcing, double with that defender. If he passes and finds an open man, so be it. You cant take everything. That's basketball.

As far as the post, if you cant stop him one on one, do as nba teams do, double on the catch. That's basketball.

[ESRyder312]

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Take the person whos supposed to be defending the inbounder and shadow/ impede his progress until he slows or passes. If he keeps forcing, double with that defender. If he passes and finds an open man, so be it. You cant take everything. That's basketball.

As far as the post, if you cant stop him one on one, do as nba teams do, double on the catch. That's basketball.

It doesn't only happen with quicker players, nor does it happen only on inbounds passes. On more than a few occasions, post players took strong wing players off the dribble and scored. For example, I've had Pau Gasol take Stanley Johnson off the dribble. Another occasion had Anderson Varejao taking Reggie Jackson off the dribble from the three point line. If you'd like a demonstration, feel free to add me on PSN, and I can show you.

Also, what do you suggest doing with a post player who spins baseline every time? Even though you move and beat the offensive post player to the baseline every time? If there is anywhere where contact should be prevalent, it is in the post. But regardless of my defensive player beating a spin to the baseline, the offensive player has a free run with no resistance. What, then, should I do?

I think this goes further than being able to read situations and angles. Perhaps even further than making good basketball plays. The issue is the actual ability of a defensive player to give some type of resistance, especially where he makes the correct read. That's the problem.

I think the appropriate solution would have been to enhance the offensive player's ability to get to his spots, rather than diminishing the defensive player's ability to defend.

[2_headedmonster]

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It doesn't only happen with quicker players, nor does it happen only on inbounds passes. On more than a few occasions, post players took strong wing players off the dribble and scored. For example, I've had Pau Gasol take Stanley Johnson off the dribble. Another occasion had Anderson Varejao taking Reggie Jackson off the dribble from the three point line. If you'd like a demonstration, feel free to add me on PSN, and I can show you.

Also, what do you suggest doing with a post player who spins baseline every time? Even though you move and beat the offensive post player to the baseline every time? If there is anywhere where contact should be prevalent, it is in the post. But regardless of my defensive player beating a spin to the baseline, the offensive player has a free run with no resistance. What, then, should I do?

I think this goes further than being able to read situations and angles. Perhaps even further than making good basketball plays. The issue is the actual ability of a defensive player to give some type of resistance, especially where he makes the correct read. That's the problem.

anybody can get to the rim on anybody given the right momentum and angle. you seem to want to complain rather than try suggestions. Stop playing tight as much, use the moderate setting, double on post threats...or dont. *Shrugs*

[quitdabull]

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Ive been saying the same thing in my threads.

Im also using the pistons .

Lost my last 10 games after snagging each trophy up to Nba league all by an average of 10 points

Some of the things im seeing is absurd obvious rigging .

[iam31yearsold]

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I'm not having problems at all. Honestly murdering people online post patch with my D.

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[ESRyder312]

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anybody can get to the rim on anybody given the right momentum and angle. you seem to want to complain rather than try suggestions. Stop playing tight as much, use the moderate setting, double on post threats...or dont. *Shrugs*

Sure. I'll take your advice.

But you still haven't answered my question about post defense, where there is an obvious issue and momentum isn't too much of a factor. In what world should it make sense for me to double, for example, Anderson Varejao when I'm guarding him with Andre Drummond? There is no way that an offensive player should be rewarded for repeatedly using the baseline spin move where the defender beats the offensive player to the spot.

So, what, then, would be your advice?

(Again, I'll offer a demonstration on how ridiculously easy offense has become. Feel free to add me. If you can stop me with on-ball defense consistently, I'll stop, as you say, "complaining.")

[thedream2k16]

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I must say the perimeter defense is a little too physical at times in this game in 2k needed to find a way to show users they are controlling someone before the low on ball defense of IQ rating. I hope this works to wear a player like Tony Allen will have it easier then a horrible defender like Jeremy Lin

[ESRyder312]

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To be clear, I'm not stating concerns about defense only. In the same token, I shouldn't be able to consistently blow by LeBron with Marcus Morris.

This patch has effectively removed the need for any skill, strategy, or common sense from the offense. Instead of forcing players to learn the game, and string together effective offensive moves, or run plays to get open, players can now sit on the turbo button on their way to the rim.

Honestly, most people who play this game have little skill, sense of strategy, or otherwise. So, what you have now is people who don't know basketball, never played a lick in their entire lives, or otherwise have any experience with basketball, able to just run around defenders like they're inanimate objects.

Why play sim when I could just hold turbo and easily get around the defender? Why even run plays if I don't need to do anything to get an open look?

I was fine with the defense the way it was. I still was able to consistently get open looks. Why? Because I took the time to learn the game.

If anyone here is concerned with my credentials, and whether I can read defenses, predict angles, or otherwise, I played basketball at the collegiate level. I started on a team that won a conference championship the years I played. So, I think I know what I'm talking about when I say I can read angles.

Should Sim Bhullar be able to stop Russell Westbrook? No. Should a defensive player almost always win a matchup regardless of their actual talent and skill? No.

I'm saying there needs to be a balance. If the defense at launch was too strong for some of you, fine. I'll accept that, as I know the talent level of the average player. But is the answer to that issue removing all defensive effectiveness?

Let's be reasonable.

[bo.jangles344]

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You can still D people up. Apparently you're not as good as you think.

[ESRyder312]

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You can still D people up. Apparently you're not as good as you think.

Apparently, you lack reading comprehension, as the first line in my last post reads as follows: "To be clear, I'm not stating concerns about defense only. In the same token, I shouldn't be able to consistently blow by LeBron with Marcus Morris."

As of now, I can easily and consistently blow by Steph Curry with Steve Blake online. This is a problem.