Ridiculous Catches ruin this game

[Mac_Lovin]

I'm sorry but the new catching mechanic where you can hold the Y button (on Xbox), ruins this game. Wayyyyyy too many ridiculous catches happen. Playing on default All-Pro sliders, and there are not enough pass breakups on deep balls, and too many one handed/10' vertical leap catches/falling back/sideways catches.

Ruined the game.


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[Robo COP]

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I aree that they need to tweak the animations.

And really I do think that the one on one's are still a bit overpowered. Anytime I am faced with a 1 on 1 with nobody over the top I almost always take the shot, regardless of what WR it is, and that just isn't realistic. Yea if a Dez, Megatron, Julio, Beckham, etc. has a 1 on 1 you're going to get him the ball. But I shouldn't be able to throw it up to my 79 ovr WR in one on one coverage and him come down with it half the time with a 1 handed grab.

But like I said, I think the biggest thing is tweaking the animations. Maybe add more one on one catches by the WR and tweak the frequency of the 1 handed catches (like to 1 a season maybe....)

EDIT: If you really think about it though, there's a reason they put it in the game. It sells. It looks exciting. So it is overused in the game because if they didn't have it in there people would call the game boring and not buy it

[TheDominator273]

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What annoys me is when they are able to make a normal catch and make a ridiculous jumping falling catch instead. It's cost me TDs before, receiver breaks open pass is on target and they go for a spectacular catch for no reason rather than catching the ball in stride and running in for a score

[Fusker]

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Not feeling the ruin at all here. Watch Sports Center, nearly every game, college and pro, has at least one ridiculous one handed catch. I'm personally feeling pretty good about the break up to to ridiculous catch ratio.

[goillini03]

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I agree that it is still overpowered. I am usually a run first player, and a decent one at that, because I suck at long range passing. Always have. I feel that I can heave it up and come down with it more than I should. Feels cheap at times. If I am I one on one, I feel ok about. I catch way too many in double/triple coverage IMO.



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[cch99]

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Play as the Eagles. I complete like 1 every 4 games and when I don't half of them get picked off.

To me it's perfect as it is right now as far as how consistently it works. Even in my Franchise I have setup to play any game I want when I have great WR's I haven't felt like it is a gimme.

I've tried to go at the best guys and they aren't pulling down every one but a good QB and WR are definitely a better combo than bad.

I am not disputing that people feel it's too easy, I just think it's really been right on in my experiences.

[azdawgpound]

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I play on all-pro default sliders as well and since the last patch and one before I think game plays great so I don't know what he's talking about crazy one hand catches.

They may happen but if they do they not out of control I guess game plays different on different consoles or something.

And far as not enough pass break ups that's all I see on deep passes yea complete some but most are broke up.

[The JareBear]

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I honestly feel like the bigger problem is still deep balls being thrown on the money too often. If a ball is perfectly thrown where the WR is always in the best position to go up and high point it, they are gonna go up and get them more often than not in real life. One of the problems with accuracy in this game is it seems to be all or nothing. The QB either misses the throw by 5 yards or puts it right on the money, there needs to be more slight underthrows, slight overthrows, slightly off target inside outside, enabling more situations for a wider variety of DB/WR interaction outcomes to trigger. There needs to be more variation in ball placement and DBs, regardless, definitely need to play the ball better.

The whole "play ball, play man" mechanic needs to be scrapped, DBs need to play organically and realistically. If a DB has the aggressive play ball trait that shouldn't mean he gets stuck in a catch animation on a ball he has no business trying to catch and because he does so he gets beat for a 60 yard TD, that just isn't realistic.

Basically, I think they need to change why outcomes are happening. I almost feel like at the moment its too convoluted

[SpyPirates]

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I'm still trying to get a feel for this... Sometimes it seems OP, sometimes not. Last night in my CFM game (all pro, A&S sliders), I threw 5 picks on 5 throws on 1v1 streaks to ODB and Julio Jones vs. the Texans. I'm debating between three possibilities: horrible luck, CFM game scripts, and low deep throw accuracy. What i mean by the last one is that while the passes were all visually on target, giving both players a good chance at the ball, maybe madden has a way of giving the defender a better INT/break up chance if the QB who threw the ball has low throwing accuracy.

Back to the point, do the folks in this thread who think 1v1 aggressive catching is OP have an elite QB throwing the ball, or does it seem to happen with scrubs as well?

I ran an experiment several weeks ago that involved throwing 150 1v1 deep balls with a QB that had ~80 throw acc deep to a 89 ovr WR, and 0 picks were thrown, and about half the passes were completed, which seems like a completely different game than what i played last night.

[jfsolo]

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Even though the game is balanced really well right now IMO, JareBear is right in his analysis of what should happen as we go forward in the series.

[Jrocc23]

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Play as the Eagles. I complete like 1 every 4 games and when I don't half of them get picked off.



To me it's perfect as it is right now as far as how consistently it works. Even in my Franchise I have setup to play any game I want when I have great WR's I haven't felt like it is a gimme.



I've tried to go at the best guys and they aren't pulling down every one but a good QB and WR are definitely a better combo than bad.



I am not disputing that people feel it's too easy, I just think it's really been right on in my experiences.

If you're using the regular Eagles roster, you're not pulling any down much because the Eagles WRs are terrible besides Matthews and even he's not all that.

I don't think it's that bad. Could be tweaked a little but I would just like to see better animations. Sometimes the canned animations look terrible. Especially the one I get most of the time is when the WR catches it and ends up landing on top of the defender.

To me it's pretty simple, if the CB isn't as high as the WR, the WR will most likely catch aggressive catches. That's why to me having good CBs is a must.

[Clarence_Boddicker]

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The one on ones are hard to stop but they are supposed to be imo. When you have a receiver and a defensive back alone the receiver should have the edge if the ball is thrown correctly. I love it. In the past if you had one on one and threw it up it was always an interception. The defensive back should not have better hands and receiving skills than the receiver. I think they are on the right track.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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I don't feel that the long ball is bad because I do not hold much to the animation; it is either a catch or not, whether with two hands or not..I have missed a lot of long passes. So I think there is a balance and I have faith inn this great development team that things will continue to be tweaked..

[Robo COP]

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I think OP was leaning more towards it just seeming so unrealistic how they catch it one handed so often, not that the amount of completed deep balls is an issue. And yes, one handed catches happen a lot, but not 50 yards downfield. That was one of the reasons ODBs catch was so impressive. Falling down one handing the ball. In this game you see an ODB like catch once a game if you throw deep even semi frequently. And you see it from WRs that aren't any good. It'd be one thing if ODB was one handed the deep balls once a game (even though that's not realistic), but when I have Marlon Brown one hand catching the ball 3 times a game, it's a little over the top.

Also, it's annoying how often the guy does a falling animation when catching the ball. How often on a deep ball does a guy actually go up to get it and immediately fall over?

Let me be clear hear, I love this game and think the gameplay is phenomenal. Best football game I have ever played. But there should be more deep catch animations added to decrease the guys one handed 50 yard bombs.

[Clarence_Boddicker]

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I think OP was leaning more towards it just seeming so unrealistic how they catch it one handed so often, not that the amount of completed deep balls is an issue. And yes, one handed catches happen a lot, but not 50 yards downfield. That was one of the reasons ODBs catch was so impressive. Falling down one handing the ball. In this game you see an ODB like catch once a game if you throw deep even semi frequently. And you see it from WRs that aren't any good. It'd be one thing if ODB was one handed the deep balls once a game (even though that's not realistic), but when I have Marlon Brown one hand catching the ball 3 times a game, it's a little over the top.

Also, it's annoying how often the guy does a falling animation when catching the ball. How often on a deep ball does a guy actually go up to get it and immediately fall over?

Let me be clear hear, I love this game and think the gameplay is phenomenal. Best football game I have ever played. But there should be more deep catch animations added to decrease the guys one handed 50 yard bombs.

I agree. They do need some more animations. This is just year one of a new feature. I think the receivers having a better shot of catching it than the defensive backs is more realistic but I can also see how one handed catch animations and backwards falling catches over and over can take you out of the game for a moment. I think it is a necessary sacrifice.