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  • Sheba2011
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    • Oct 2013
    • 2353

    #16
    Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

    Originally posted by bdolski
    Because winning 3 fights in a little over a minute is overrated....
    Because everyone proclaiming you one of the greatest fighters of all time after just 12 fights, many of those against weaker opponents doesn't qualify you as overrated. Because getting knocked out by the first real competition you faced doesn't qualify you as overrated....

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    • aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33106

      #17
      Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

      Originally posted by Sheba2011
      Because everyone proclaiming you one of the greatest fighters of all time after just 12 fights, many of those against weaker opponents doesn't qualify you as overrated. Because getting knocked out by the first real competition you faced doesn't qualify you as overrated....

      Nobody credible ever called her one of the greatest fighters of all time. People have called her one of the greatest women fighters of all time or even the greatest women fighter ever. Those statements are absolutely legitimate given what she's done.

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      • fballturkey
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        • Jul 2011
        • 2370

        #18
        Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

        Originally posted by aholbert32
        Nobody credible ever called her one of the greatest fighters of all time. People have called her one of the greatest women fighters of all time or even the greatest women fighter ever. Those statements are absolutely legitimate given what she's done.
        I saw 'most dominant fighter of all time' thrown around by a lot of people, and it was arguable that she was up until Holm happened. Others can argue it's because he weight class was badly underdeveloped but she can only fight the other people that are out there.

        Personally I think Mighty Mouse is the most dominant but it's definitely arguable among a few people, and Rousey is one of them.
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        • Sheba2011
          MVP
          • Oct 2013
          • 2353

          #19
          Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

          Originally posted by aholbert32
          Nobody credible ever called her one of the greatest fighters of all time. People have called her one of the greatest women fighters of all time or even the greatest women fighter ever. Those statements are absolutely legitimate given what she's done.
          Credible or not plenty of people were still throwing that term out and that's what makes someone overrated and overhyped. For the past year anytime I saw anything Rousey related the following terms were attached to it: "greatest of all time", "most dominant fighter" "greatest in history" etc. Although I would say Kevin Iole of Yahoo is one of the better and more credible MMA writers.

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #20
            Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

            Originally posted by Sheba2011
            Credible or not plenty of people were still throwing that term out and that's what makes someone overrated and overhyped. For the past year anytime I saw anything Rousey related the following terms were attached to it: "greatest of all time", "most dominant fighter" "greatest in history" etc. Although I would say Kevin Iole of Yahoo is one of the better and more credible MMA writers.

            http://sports.yahoo.com/news/it-s-ti...174449507.html
            Yeah, I only care about credible opinions on MMA. There are plenty of *******s on Twitter, Reddit and comments sections that have crazy opinions.

            Regarding Iole, reading the article he makes a good point. Before the Holm fight, she was the most dominant fighter in the UFC. She beat her last 3 opponents in under a minute and was dominating her division. No one else was doing that.

            Also even after the Holm fight, she is still the greatest womens MMA fighter of all time. I dont get why certain people get so worked up about the greatest womens fighter in the world being considered ONE of the best fighters in the world. No one is saying she would beat Werdum or Jones or Dos Anjos. Just that she was a dominant champion.

            Mighty Mouse is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. Why? Because he's dominant. I dont see anyone objecting to calling him one of the greatest fighters of all time. Whats with the double standard?

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            • redsox4evur
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2013
              • 18169

              #21
              Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

              Originally posted by aholbert32
              Yeah, I only care about credible opinions on MMA. There are plenty of *******s on Twitter, Reddit and comments sections that have crazy opinions.

              Regarding Iole, reading the article he makes a good point. Before the Holm fight, she was the most dominant fighter in the UFC. She beat her last 3 opponents in under a minute and was dominating her division. No one else was doing that.

              Also even after the Holm fight, she is still the greatest womens MMA fighter of all time. I dont get why certain people get so worked up about the greatest womens fighter in the world being considered ONE of the best fighters in the world. No one is saying she would beat Werdum or Jones or Dos Anjos. Just that she was a dominant champion.

              Mighty Mouse is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. Why? Because he's dominant. I dont see anyone objecting to calling him one of the greatest fighters of all time. Whats with the double standard?
              And the same thing has been said about Jon Jones before his incident. And has probably been said about most champions at some point during their title reign, for the lack of a better term.
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              • SmashMan
                All Star
                • Dec 2004
                • 9765

                #22
                Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                Originally posted by aholbert32
                Whats with the double standard?
                Ehh, I think we know why.

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                • Sheba2011
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 2353

                  #23
                  Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                  Originally posted by aholbert32
                  Yeah, I only care about credible opinions on MMA. There are plenty of *******s on Twitter, Reddit and comments sections that have crazy opinions.

                  Regarding Iole, reading the article he makes a good point. Before the Holm fight, she was the most dominant fighter in the UFC. She beat her last 3 opponents in under a minute and was dominating her division. No one else was doing that.

                  Also even after the Holm fight, she is still the greatest womens MMA fighter of all time. I dont get why certain people get so worked up about the greatest womens fighter in the world being considered ONE of the best fighters in the world. No one is saying she would beat Werdum or Jones or Dos Anjos. Just that she was a dominant champion.

                  Mighty Mouse is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. Why? Because he's dominant. I dont see anyone objecting to calling him one of the greatest fighters of all time. Whats with the double standard?
                  Connor has done this a lot longer. He has 22 fights under his belt, there is a much greater body of work and he has beaten some of the top competition in his weight class. Rousey had 12. No one was calling Connor the greatest of all time when he was 14-2 after beating Max Halloway in his second UFC fight. That praise didn't come until he took down 3 of the best fighters in his weight class and even still it's not a universal praise like it has been with Rousey. Rousey is a great fighter but it is way to early in her career to call her greatest of all time. When she reaches 20+ fights like Connor has then we can talk about it.

                  Someone mentioned Jon Jones it's the same with him, no one was calling him the greatest of all time until he actually earned it by beating some of the best competition in the world. If Rousey beats Holm, Cyborg, a rematch with Tate then we can start that conversation. This isn't just because she is a "woman" like many are implying here. Cyborg is one of my favorite fighters regardless of gender. This about the body of work. Just like no one is calling Luke Rockhold or TJ Dillashaw greatest of all time, they both have a long way to go to earn it.
                  Last edited by Sheba2011; 12-21-2015, 09:56 AM.

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                  • aholbert32
                    (aka Alberto)
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 33106

                    #24
                    Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                    Originally posted by Sheba2011
                    Connor has done this a lot longer. He has 22 fights under his belt, there is a much greater body of work and he has beaten some of the top competition in his weight class. Rousey had 12. No one was calling Connor the greatest of all time when he was 14-2 after beating Max Halloway in his second UFC fight. That praise didn't come until he took down 3 of the best fighters in his weight class and even still it's not a universal praise like it has been with Rousey. Rousey is a great fighter but it is way to early in her career to call her greatest of all time. When she reaches 20+ fights like Connor has then we can talk about it.
                    I love Conor McGregor. He's probably my favorite fighter right now.

                    But what you just wrote is BS.

                    Conor has 22 fights but he only has 7 at the top level of the sport. Ronda has 10 (starting in Strikeforce against Julia Budd) if you combine Strikeforce and UFC fights.

                    She absolutely dominated all 9 of those 10 fights.
                    Only 2 of those fighters made it out of the first round.
                    7 of them didnt make it past 2 minutes.

                    I think its a joke argument to say she cant be considered one of the greatest because she didnt fight 10 or more times in some lower level.

                    Conor has beat 3 guys currently in his division's top 15 (5 if you count Siver and Porier who were ranked at the time they fought him).

                    Ronda has beat 7 (if you count Alexis Davis who was dropped from the rankings because of maternity leave).

                    Look, if you dont like Rousey because you think she is overexposed....cool. But dont act like the numbers back you up because they dont.

                    What kills me is that with the exception of Joseph Benevidez, I'd argue that Flyweight is just as shallow as Women's Bantamweight but no one knocks Mighty Mouse and his dominance streak. Why? Because you can only fight the people they put in front of you. Mighty Mouse is a dominant fighter. Rousey was before Holm.

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #25
                      Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                      Originally posted by Sheba2011

                      Someone mentioned Jon Jones it's the same with him, no one was calling him the greatest of all time until he actually earned it by beating some of the best competition in the world. If Rousey beats Holm, Cyborg, a rematch with Tate then we can start that conversation. This isn't just because she is a "woman" like many are implying here. Cyborg is one of my favorite fighters regardless of gender. This about the body of work. Just like no one is calling Luke Rockhold or TJ Dillashaw greatest of all time, they both have a long way to go to earn it.
                      LOL!!!!!

                      She has to beat Tate AGAIN? WTF! She stopped her TWICE. TWICE. She broke her arm in the first fight. Jesus, what does she have to do in a third fight? Kill her?

                      Your analogies just dont work. TJ Dillashaw defended the belt twice. Luke Rockhold just won his belt a week ago. Rousey defended it 6 times. Comparing Rousey to them is ridiculous.

                      Whats funny is only Rousey is expected to beat someone in a higher division before she is considered great. No one says "Jon Jones is only great if he beats Cain at HW" or "GSP isnt a great because he never beat Anderson at MW".

                      Cyborg is a featherweight. Rousey is a bantamweight. If Cyborg drops down and they fight cool. If not, that doesnt take away 6 title defenses and being the first UFC women's champion.

                      **** if she loses to Holm again, It just means that Holm is the better fighter and that she is a bad matchup for Rousey. Just like Weidman was a bad matchup for Silva. That doesnt negate what Silva did in his career before Weidman and neither does a Holm loss negate what Rousey did.

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                      • Sheba2011
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2013
                        • 2353

                        #26
                        Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        I love Conor McGregor. He's probably my favorite fighter right now.

                        But what you just wrote is BS.

                        Conor has 22 fights but he only has 7 at the top level of the sport. Ronda has 10 (starting in Strikeforce against Julia Budd) if you combine Strikeforce and UFC fights.

                        She absolutely dominated all 9 of those 10 fights.
                        Only 2 of those fighters made it out of the first round.
                        7 of them didnt make it past 2 minutes.

                        I think its a joke argument to say she cant be considered one of the greatest because she didnt fight 10 or more times in some lower level.

                        Conor has beat 3 guys currently in his division's top 15 (5 if you count Siver and Porier who were ranked at the time they fought him).

                        Ronda has beat 7 (if you count Alexis Davis who was dropped from the rankings because of maternity leave).

                        Look, if you dont like Rousey because you think she is overexposed....cool. But dont act like the numbers back you up because they dont.

                        What kills me is that with the exception of Joseph Benevidez, I'd argue that Flyweight is just as shallow as Women's Bantamweight but no one knocks Mighty Mouse and his dominance streak. Why? Because you can only fight the people they put in front of you. Mighty Mouse is a dominant fighter. Rousey was before Holm.
                        Again when Rousey beats Holm and fights Cyborg (which you left out of the bolded statement) I will listen to your argument until then, she is overrated to me. Best to agree to disagree at this point and move on.

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                        • aholbert32
                          (aka Alberto)
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 33106

                          #27
                          Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                          Originally posted by Sheba2011
                          Again when Rousey beats Holm and fights Cyborg (which you left out of the bolded statement) I will listen to your argument until then, she is overrated to me. Best to agree to disagree at this point and move on.
                          Nah. I actually addressed both Cyborg and Holm in my post. Like I said, just admit you dont like her. Thats fine. But trying to hold her to a higher standard than other great fighters is ridiculous. Especially when she has outperformed many of the great fighters (like Conor) that you mentioned.

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                          • Sheba2011
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2013
                            • 2353

                            #28
                            Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                            Originally posted by aholbert32
                            Nah. I actually addressed both Cyborg and Holm in my post. Like I said, just admit you dont like her. Thats fine. But trying to hold her to a higher standard than other great fighters is ridiculous. Especially when she has outperformed many of the great fighters (like Conor) that you mentioned.
                            I have no problem with her personally just think she is overrated. That is my opinion, nothing you say is going to change that. Again best to agree to disagree and move on cause this is going nowhere. You think she is a great fighter, I don't. We have differing opinions. I think she still has a lot to prove.
                            Last edited by Sheba2011; 12-21-2015, 01:02 PM.

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                            • aholbert32
                              (aka Alberto)
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 33106

                              #29
                              Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                              Originally posted by Sheba2011
                              I have no problem with her personally just think she is overrated. That is my opinion, nothing you say is going to change that. Again best to agree to disagree and move on cause this is going nowhere. You think she is a great fighter, I don't. We have differing opinions. I think she still has a lot to prove.
                              This is the last thing I'll say about this: I swear this seems like something new or maybe I'm noticing this more but I swear people on the internet love to hide behind this statement:

                              Its just my opinion.

                              Like you are justified in having an opinion even if its not based or supported by fact. You stated some "facts" that were even incorrect or skewed completely to support your argument. I showed you how those were wrong. Now what should happen is you either respond with more facts supporting your argument/opinion or you reconsider your position given the new information available.

                              I guess that my fault for expecting more out of the internet where people can just spout **** and people are expected to respect that as if its a legitimate opinion.

                              Anyway sorry for the rant.

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                              • Yung AJ24
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                                • Dec 2012
                                • 190

                                #30
                                Re: EA Sports UFC 2 Cover Revealed, Featuring Conor McGregor & Ronda Rousey

                                Wish they wouldve replaced Rousey with Holm or Jon Jones

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