Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

[Mizzou24]

Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Cam Newton stats today: 17/34 with less than 150 passing... What is he rated again in Madden?


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While I agree he's overrated. You're overreacting to one game. Which is already the problem we have with how the ratings are handled now.

In cams defense he has played a heck of a season and led his lack luster offense to a 14-1 season.. Even if it was a very very weak schedule.

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[Gman 18]

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While I agree he's overrated. You're overreacting to one game. Which is already the problem we have with how the ratings are handled now.

In cams defense he has played a heck of a season and led his lack luster offense to a 14-1 season.. Even if it was a very very weak schedule.

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One game doesn't define a player and that is never how ratings should be defined in a sports game. Of course, it is ridiculous when a player comes out of nowhere and has ONE good game and goes up 5-10 points and then pretty much falls off after that and still remains in the same attributes range.

A big problem with madden's rating system over the years was the extremely overrated free agents. Players who haven't played in a couple of years and hadn't even made it past training camp with some teams somehow rated like top guys at their specific position is what im talking about. This doesn't seem to be as big of an issue as it once was, I would say 5-10 years back, but it still remains an issue. I really feel like madden has always had a hard time representing a player going through a decline realistically, as his current attributes reflect those at a time when he was at the top of his game

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[khaliib]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

So we have an EA guy who has "hands on" access to the ratings mechanism as its "currently" built in Madden 16, dip in this thread every now and then, and instead of asking him questions to help get the most out of the Current Madden ratings system, or even better, come together as a community and suggest to Kane what we actually see animate out during gameplay when "this" particular rating is increased/decreased to this level, 64 pages later there's a discussion going on about....?


So Kane!!!

1) How much of a pt difference change is needed for a player to play different during gameplay?

- Is it a 5, 10, 15+ for difference?
- Is the large increases/decreases to a player's particular rating is you're way of trying to produce a performance change within the current system?

2) On Kick Return, the return team consist of players with low RBK ratings, while the kicking team consist of defensive players with higher "Block Shed" ratings, causing them to "break out" of the blocking animations (with the swim or shove aside animation).

- Is there a way of increasing the "blocking interaction" to play out slightly longer without causing any functionality issues?
->maybe increasing any weights/boost to the KR rating to balance the Blocking vs Block Shed.
(**this will not make returns easier)

3) Since "Stamina" does impact player ratings during gameplay and we have the ability to adjust the weight of fatigue applied with the slider, is there a functionality issue as to why the "avg" of "50-60'ish" couldn't be the generated Stamina level for players?

- This is the "most important" trait/rating of a player, because if he's fatigued he can't perform at a successful level no matter what great abilities or skill set he possess.

- Although the Stamina rating should be the most important rating due to its overall impact on a player, thus gameplay, it is made the least due to the high levels at which players are given.
-> Curently, draft classes generate at 80 and above for most players.

- Is there something you can do within the next roster update to make this important rating relevant (i.e. lowering) or are we dealing with a functionality issue in regard to current high levels?

Thanks for any response you can give on these areas Kane.

[Gman 18]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

So we have an EA guy who has "hands on" access to the ratings mechanism as its "currently" built in Madden 16, dip in this thread every now and then, and instead of asking him questions to help get the most out of the Current Madden ratings system, or even better, come together as a community and suggest to Kane what we actually see animate out during gameplay when "this" particular rating is increased/decreased to this level, 64 pages later there's a discussion going on about....?





So Kane!!!



1) How much of a pt difference change is needed for a player to play different during gameplay?



- Is it a 5, 10, 15+ for difference?

- Is the large increases/decreases to a player's particular rating is you're way of trying to produce a performance change within the current system?



2) On Kick Return, the return team consist of players with low RBK ratings, while the kicking team consist of defensive players with higher "Block Shed" ratings, causing them to "break out" of the blocking animations (with the swim or shove aside animation).



- Is there a way of increasing the "blocking interaction" to play out slightly longer without causing any functionality issues?

->maybe increasing any weights/boost to the KR rating to balance the Blocking vs Block Shed.

(**this will not make returns easier)



3) Since "Stamina" does impact player ratings during gameplay and we have the ability to adjust the weight of fatigue applied with the slider, is there a functionality issue as to why the "avg" of "50-60'ish" couldn't be the generated Stamina level for players?



- This is the "most important" trait/rating of a player, because if he's fatigued he can't perform at a successful level no matter what great abilities or skill set he possess.



- Although the Stamina rating should be the most important rating due to its overall impact on a player, thus gameplay, it is made the least due to the high levels at which players are given.

-> Curently, draft classes generate at 80 and above for most players.



- Is there something you can do within the next roster update to make this important rating relevant (i.e. lowering) or are we dealing with a functionality issue in regard to current high levels?



Thanks for any response you can give on these areas Kane.

Those are some very good questions. When it comes to special teams, I think that part of the game is just flat out broken. It hasn't really been focused/worked on in years, and it is most likely entirely ratings dependent ( mainly speed and agility for returner, run block for blockers, pursuit, speed, and possibly block shed for kickoff team, as opposed to any actual technique/scheme used on special teams in the NFL.

First off, we need a COMPLETE special teams depth chart. That way, we won't have to manually make special teams substitutions every game. We should be able to set specific blockers, the entire kickoff team, gunners on our punt team, etc. I liked what NFL 2k5 did in terms of letting us make substitutions based on specific plays of the playbook in the Franchise MENU. If madden implemented that, making subs would no longer be a hassle like it currently is. 2k5 even gave us the option to completely set our special teams, through the playbook menu. Implementing something like that into madden would make A LOT of people happy.


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[Phobia]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Ah yes, the same PFF who declared Brad Jones as a budding star right before GB cut him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/24/secret-superstar-brad-jones/

If I may ask, where did you learn to break down game film? Did you coach or serve as a GA somewhere?

Just asking because I first learned from Mike O'Connell (http://www.wifca.org/news_article/sh...rrer_id=480362) while coaching at EC-Regis about a decade ago before being formally taught by David Te' Thomas (http://bleacherreport.com/users/153363-dave-te-thomas) while serving as a midwest regional scout at NFLDS from 2005-2009.

It just goes to show you that everyone gets a start somewhere and I wanted to know where you got yours.

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[baconbits11]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I like the way NBA 2K did their ratings this year, where 100 is the best of all time. I mean, why have a 0-100 rating scale when the bottom part of it is not used. You do this for not only overalls but also individual ratings, and you can get to a point where each player has their own makeup and personality.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Somehow I missed pages 59-60 or so. While I love the idea of making Madden better, I also totally agree with the argument that it might not be genteel to have an open forum discussion on one man's qualifications to do his job. Since I went on record in support of a ratings overhaul, I need to go on record and agree with those who have suggested PM as the best place for such dialogue.

[jfsolo]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Those are some very good questions. When it comes to special teams, I think that part of the game is just flat out broken. It hasn't really been focused/worked on in years, and it is most likely entirely ratings dependent ( mainly speed and agility for returner, run block for blockers, pursuit, speed, and possibly block shed for kickoff team, as opposed to any actual technique/scheme used on special teams in the NFL.

First off, we need a COMPLETE special teams depth chart. That way, we won't have to manually make special teams substitutions every game. We should be able to set specific blockers, the entire kickoff team, gunners on our punt team, etc. I liked what NFL 2k5 did in terms of letting us make substitutions based on specific plays of the playbook in the Franchise MENU. If madden implemented that, making subs would no longer be a hassle like it currently is. 2k5 even gave us the option to completely set our special teams, through the playbook menu. Implementing something like that into madden would make A LOT of people happy.


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Co-Sign this 1000%

[SECElit3]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

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I'm sorry... Tell me again what you've done, if anything for the community, or this forum. Because I'll tell you that Dan has done more on behalf of this community, than you could ever dream to.

Yeah... I'll stop right there, and you should too.


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[NateDogPack12]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I'm sorry... Tell me again what you've done, if anything for the community, or this forum. Because I'll tell you that Dan has done more on behalf of this community, than you could ever dream to.

Yeah... I'll stop right there, and you should too.


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Way to create an artificial dick measuring contest when Dan was never personally insulted or challenged. What you quoted was a way of poking fun at the fact HE personally bragged about his own qualifications and did so at the expense of criticizing a developer personally. I'm not afraid to criticize EA, and do so often, but the whole point was that there's a line which should not be crossed.

There's a point those criticizing Dan are trying to make. You have obviously missed it. Stop making things personal.

[SECElit3]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Dan was never personally insulted or challenged.

You sure about that?


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[Phobia]

Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I'm sorry... Tell me again what you've done, if anything for the community, or this forum. Because I'll tell you that Dan has done more on behalf of this community, than you could ever dream to.

Yeah... I'll stop right there, and you should too.


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I'll leave you and Dan to talking about yourselves, oh wait "credentials" lol. I guess without seeing mine, you will never know.

Good talk SEC!

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[SECElit3]

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I'll leave you and Dan to talking about yourselves lol

Good talk SEC!



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Agreed... Thanks again for ALL of your contributions.


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[PVarck31]

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I'm sorry... Tell me again what you've done, if anything for the community, or this forum. Because I'll tell you that Dan has done more on behalf of this community, than you could ever dream to.

Yeah... I'll stop right there, and you should too.


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This post is not needed and borderlines a person attack. So you need to stop as well.

[SECElit3]

Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

This post is not needed and borderlines a person attack. So you need to stop as well.

I'm afraid contrary to belief, Phobia's spoiler post could be considered a personal attack, and it was very unnecessary.

There was nothing wrong with Dan's original set of questions, or with him providing credibility to his qualifications. They were having a discussion and several joined the conversation, basing their own perspectives, as reason to criticize him.


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