Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

[Cavicchi]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Because catches = catch ability?
It's not like catches have anything to do with getting open and the QB throwing them the ball right?

Cooper can run like the wind and get open, but he drops a lot of balls. I think he leads the league in drops.

(I'm a Raiders fan)

But how do you know what Parker of the Dolphins is doing? Do you have a link to drops stats?

Cooper has 70 catches and Parker has 21 catches. What we don't know is how many drops Parker would have given the same opportunity. By the way, Cooper's 92 speed rating with 88 acceleration does not reflect a run like the wind receiver.

[iBlievN5]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

But how do you know what Parker of the Dolphins is doing? Do you have a link to drops stats?

Cooper has 70 catches and Parker has 21 catches. What we don't know is how many drops Parker would have given the same opportunity. By the way, Cooper's 92 speed rating with 88 acceleration does not reflect a run like the wind receiver.

Okay then how do we rate anyone we haven't seen on the field? What you're saying is purposefully ignoring the reality that Cooper has dropped a lot of passes.

As far as speed that's pretty standard for a fast player this year. Jamaal Charles has that speed.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Okay then how do we rate anyone we haven't seen on the field? What you're saying is purposefully ignoring the reality that Cooper has dropped a lot of passes.

As far as speed that's pretty standard for a fast player this year. Jamaal Charles has that speed.

Thomas of the Broncos has also dropped a number of passes, and he is a superstar development. Show me the link to drop passes statistics. Until then, I'll go by catches, and 70 to 21 is quite a difference.

[Airfaron23]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Anyone heard if we are getting a roster update this week? Usually it releases on Thursdays around 5pm CT. Didn't know if it's being delayed because of the holidays.

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[Gman 18]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

ODB goes down a point and he didn't even play! C'mon man!


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[pimpinpidgeon8]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

So there was a New Years roster update?

[azdawgpound]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

So there was a New Years roster update?

No there was no update this week sorta surprised we got one last week due to Christmas.

[iBlievN5]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Thomas of the Broncos has also dropped a number of passes, and he is a superstar development. Show me the link to drop passes statistics. Until then, I'll go by catches, and 70 to 21 is quite a difference.

I just googled "Amari cooper drops" though if you're such a big fan of him you should be aware of this. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/

I don't know anything about development, and going by catches makes no sense - you can catch a bunch of passes and drop a bunch of passes.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

I just googled "Amari cooper drops" though if you're such a big fan of him you should be aware of this. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/

I don't know anything about development, and going by catches makes no sense - you can catch a bunch of passes and drop a bunch of passes.

Using your very own link with drops, Mike Evans has same amount of receptions but more drops than Cooper. Evans has 87 for catching and Cooper has 80.

By the way, I am not a Raider fan or even a fan of Cooper. I am for catching justice! Thomas of the Broncos also has more drops than Cooper. Both Thomas and Evans are superstar development, Cooper is Quick.

Cooper is 92 speed and 88 acceleration, so the comparison between him and Jamal Charles is not equal--Charles has 92 for acceleration There are many WR's with rated higher speed than Cooper. Cooper's speed and acceleration does not reflect a run like the wind receiver.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Using your very own link with drops, Mike Evans has same amount of receptions but more drops than Cooper. Evans has 87 for catching and Cooper has 80.

By the way, I am not a Raider fan or even a fan of Cooper. I am for catching justice! Thomas of the Broncos also has more drops than Cooper. Both Thomas and Evans are superstar development, Cooper is Quick.

Cooper is 92 speed and 88 acceleration, so the comparison between him and Jamal Charles is not equal--Charles has 92 for acceleration There are many WR's with rated higher speed than Cooper. Cooper's speed and acceleration does not reflect a run like the wind receiver.

Evans having a 87 for catch is concerning, but Cooper's speed is fine. His 40 time was 4.42. 92 speed is good, in fact having this scale is something many of us on OS have wanted (being above 90 in anything should be special).

On the issue of Mike Evans and his catches, I wonder if EA manipulates attributes to fit their player type system. Mike Evans fits their role of red zone threat because he is tall. I wonder if to better fit into that role in game he gets informal boosts to certain attributes. By informal I mean that they don't have a hard policy like points added due to veteran status on job assessments, but rather they don't realize they are overrating him if that makes sense.

Edit: Comparing drops with number of receptions is the wrong way to do it. Compare it with number of targets, i.e. look at the drop percentage. Doing so doesn't invalidate your issue but it is still something you need to be aware of.

What is Edelman's catch rating?

[Gman 18]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Evans having a 87 for catch is concerning, but Cooper's speed is fine. His 40 time was 4.42. 92 speed is good, in fact having this scale is something many of us on OS have wanted (being above 90 in anything should be special).

On the issue of Mike Evans and his catches, I wonder if EA manipulates attributes to fit their player type system. Mike Evans fits their role of red zone threat because he is tall. I wonder if to better fit into that role in game he gets informal boosts to certain attributes. By informal I mean that they don't have a hard policy like points added due to veteran status on job assessments, but rather they don't realize they are overrating him if that makes sense.

Edit: Comparing drops with number of receptions is the wrong way to do it. Compare it with number of targets, i.e. look at the drop percentage. Doing so doesn't invalidate your issue but it is still something you need to be aware of.

What is Edelman's catch rating?

You are right on about EA manipulating Evans' ratings to fit his role of " red zone threat ". Considering how outdated EA's player rating system is, that's pretty much the only way they can get Evans to perform in the red zone like he does in real life. If EA had signature skills/traits, Evans could be given the " red zone threat " skill, as would Packers WR James Jones. I have no idea what Jones' ratings are, but the guy's only real impact at this stage in his career is in the red zone. Back to Evans, if EA didn't intentionally raise his catch rating, he probably wouldn't make certain catches in the red zone. Also, knowing how some ratings of big-name, prominent players are hype-generated, that probably also contributes to the inflated ratings of said players.


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[Cavicchi]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Evans having a 87 for catch is concerning, but Cooper's speed is fine. His 40 time was 4.42. 92 speed is good, in fact having this scale is something many of us on OS have wanted (being above 90 in anything should be special).

On the issue of Mike Evans and his catches, I wonder if EA manipulates attributes to fit their player type system. Mike Evans fits their role of red zone threat because he is tall. I wonder if to better fit into that role in game he gets informal boosts to certain attributes. By informal I mean that they don't have a hard policy like points added due to veteran status on job assessments, but rather they don't realize they are overrating him if that makes sense.



Edit: Comparing drops with number of receptions is the wrong way to do it. Compare it with number of targets, i.e. look at the drop percentage. Doing so doesn't invalidate your issue but it is still something you need to be aware of.

What is Edelman's catch rating?

The reason I mentioned drops was in reply to the person I quoted in my post.

Evans was targeted 138 times with 70 catches.

Cooper was targeted 125 times with 70 catches.

Edelman has a catch rating of--someone give me a drum roll--94.

Now I don't necessarily agree that targets is the main factor in determining catch rating. In that scenario, I would need to know why the catch wasn't made, such as QB inaccuracy. If the QB overthrows, then no fault of the receiver. What I don't know is how they count targets. Is it by touches or just direction? If it is direction, then again, QB not being accurate should not count against receiver for catches.

I don't think height alone makes that Red Zone Threat rating. Kevin White is 6'3" same as Julio Jones but is Balanced while Julio is a Red Zone Threat type.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

The reason I mentioned drops was in reply to the person I quoted in my post.

Evans was targeted 138 times with 70 catches.

Cooper was targeted 125 times with 70 catches.

Edelman has a catch rating of--someone give me a drum roll--94.

Now I don't necessarily agree that targets is the main factor in determining catch rating. In that scenario, I would need to know why the catch wasn't made, such as QB inaccuracy. If the QB overthrows, then no fault of the receiver. What I don't know is how they count targets. Is it by touches or just direction? If it is direction, then again, QB not being accurate should not count against receiver for catches.

I don't think height alone makes that Red Zone Threat rating. Kevin White is 6'3" same as Julio Jones but is Balanced while Julio is a Red Zone Threat type.

A target is anytime a QB attempts to complete a pass to a pass catcher. It doesn't matter if the pass was way off the mark or not.

A drop is typically defined as a pass that ought to be caught with normal amount of effort, e.g. if you go up to try to catch a high pass with one hand and fail it is not counted as a drop.

I didn't mean that targets should determine the catch rating. What I meant was that you should not look at drops in a vacuum. That is why they made the drop rate, which looks at drops as a percentage of targets. That tells you how reliable a guy is (as much as a single stat can tell you anyway)

[dfine1966]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Did they get rid of injured reserve in this update? Jordy Nelson and others are no longer on injured reserve.


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[loccdogg26]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Roster Update Available Now - Details & Spreadsheet (12-24-15)

Did they get rid of injured reserve in this update? Jordy Nelson and others are no longer on injured reserve.


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I think it was done in the previous update.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...yers-gone.html