NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

I think most people would have been fine if it was only his dunking attributes taking a hit, but all but the 1-7-15 roster had him taking a major decrease in a multitude of attributes, if this was the beginning of the season I would say fine, but really now it makes no sense.

Nobody has yet to post any specific attributes in their examples, the only thing that got mentioned is dunk rating. Rose's jumper has been garb, assists and steals are at an all-time low, but he is supposed to be going up cuz 5 games cancel out the first 25 apparently

[jk31]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

The Pacers decreases continue...I wish he would touch up the defensive ratings as much as he touches the offense ratings...

THIS

George Hill still is not even a mediocre defender in the game...It's a shame... The Pacers are Top 10 in Offense AND in Defense but in the game, they don't have any good defenders beside Paul George and Ian Mahinmi!

[coolcras7]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Nobody has yet to post any specific attributes in their examples, the only thing that got mentioned is dunk rating. Rose's jumper has been garb, assists and steals are at an all-time low, but he is supposed to be going up cuz 5 games cancel out the first 25 apparently

Are you watching the games or looking at the stats or highlights after the fact and if so that's your problem, and that's Bed problem as well. The fact is some attributes have a major impact on how you can play with him in the game, because of the limitations of the game vs real life. Beds has made Rose primarily a guy who can only score in the paint which again is fine,but limited his ability to get in the paint, his Lateral quickness dropped 8 points, Shot IO 8 points, hands 13 points. Rose is not a stupid basketball player he is fully aware of the limitation of his body and has been playing more to his strengths, so why did his shot IQ recently take a hit, again if you just look at the stats you will think well he is only shooting whatever percent but if you watch the a game you would see he is getting hammered in the paint and not getting foul calls, or that he will not run full speed up and down the court but alters his speed to maneuver through the defense he is not a blow by slasher i.e. a Westbrook.

PS: Assist are going to take a hit is he is sharing the ball handling responsibilities with Butler, again watching a game vs looking at stats.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Spot on , nice post

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

PS: Assist are going to take a hit is he is sharing the ball handling responsibilities with Butler, again watching a game vs looking at stats.

1. This is picked up by stats pretty easily.
2. The fact that Rose is so thoroughly mediocre that he has to share ball handling responsibilities with his off-guard is not exactly a good look. Playing off an all-star means there's no excuse for his dismal shooting.
3. The Bulls are 22nd offensively for a reason.

Rose: 26 USG%, 44 TS%, 1.8 A/T
Gasol: 25 USG%, 51 TS%, 1.6 A/T
Butler: 24 USG%, 57 TS%, 2.1 A/T

Dumbed down
Rose: 14.6 PPG on 15.6 FGA (lol); 39 FG%, 23 3PT%, 74 FT%
Gasol: 16.5 PPG on 14.2 FGA; 46 FG%, 30 3PT%, 80 FT%
Butler: 22.1 PPG on 15.9 FGA; 46 FG%, 33 3PT%, 83 FT%

Do you think that ranking lies at the feet of Gasol or Butler?

Are you watching the games or looking at the stats or highlights after the fact and if so that's your problem, and that's Bed problem as well

1. Stats are pretty important, and your overall tone towards them is why Beds won't take your concern seriously.
2. Good luck editing 450+ players with your majestic, unbiased eyes.

Reading your rhetoric one would almost believe Rose is outplaying any of his peers.

Starting PGs w/ similar OVR or lower:
78 - Ricky Rubio: 18.2 PER, 49 TS%, 18 USG%, 44 AST% (5th in NBA), 3.8 STL% (leads league), 3.9 A/T
78 - Deron Williams: 15.7 PER, 54 TS%, 22 USG%, 29 AST%, 1.7 STL%, 2.3 A/T
78 - Michael Carter-Williams: 15.7 PER, 51 TS%, 22 USG%, 30 AST%, 2.5 STL%, 2.0 A/T
77 - Goran Dragic: 13.9 PER, 53 TS%, 20 USG%, 26 AST%, 1.7 STL%, 2.0 A/T
77 - Derrick Rose: 10.6 PER, 44 TS%, 25 USG%, 26 AST%, 1.0 STL%, 1.8 A/T
76 - Ish Smith: 17.2 PER, 48 TS%, 24 USG%, 44 AST%, 2.1 STL%, 3.1 A/T
76 - Elfrid Payton: 14.4 PER, 47 TS%, 22 USG%, 31 AST%, 2.5 STL%, 2.5 A/T
75 - Jarrett Jack: 15.0 PER, 51 TS%, 22 USG%, 36 AST%, 1.7 STL%, 2.5 A/T
75 - Patrick Beverley: 11.7 PER, 55 TS%, 16 USG%, 16 AST%, 2.3 STL%, 2.0 A/T
He's not any better than the bottom of the barrel.
74 - Jose Calderon: 13.2 PER, 60 TS%, 12 USG%, 22 AST%, 1.7 STL%, 3.3 A/T
73 - D'Angelo Russell: 12.9 PER, 49 TS%, 23 USG%, 22 AST%, 2.2 STL%, 1.5 A/T
70 - Raul Neto: 10.2 PER, 50 TS%, 17 USG%, 20 AST%, 2.8 STL%, 1.7 A/T

All hail Derrick Rose, victim of 2K Sports and definitely not his own shoddy play.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Are you watching the games or looking at the stats or highlights after the fact and if so that's your problem, and that's Bed problem as well. The fact is some attributes have a major impact on how you can play with him in the game, because of the limitations of the game vs real life. Beds has made Rose primarily a guy who can only score in the paint which again is fine,but limited his ability to get in the paint, his Lateral quickness dropped 8 points, Shot IO 8 points, hands 13 points. Rose is not a stupid basketball player he is fully aware of the limitation of his body and has been playing more to his strengths, so why did his shot IQ recently take a hit, again if you just look at the stats you will think well he is only shooting whatever percent but if you watch the a game you would see he is getting hammered in the paint and not getting foul calls, or that he will not run full speed up and down the court but alters his speed to maneuver through the defense he is not a blow by slasher i.e. a Westbrook.

PS: Assist are going to take a hit is he is sharing the ball handling responsibilities with Butler, again watching a game vs looking at stats.

There's not enough time in the world to watch every NBA game...Sometimes you have to rely on stats and highlights.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

A treat for all.

Derrick Rose's ratings and my attribute edits.


Derrick Rose (PG)
Athletic Finisher
73 Overall (-4)

OFFENSE
71 Standing Layup (-1)
80 Driving Layup (-2)
50 Post Fade (-5)
50 Post Hook (-5)
40 Post Control (-15)
35 Draw Foul (-27)
83 Standing Close (+6)
83 Moving Close (+8)
59 Standing Mid (-16)
59 Moving Mid (-16)
68 Standing 3pt (+9)
58 Moving 3pt (-1)
74 Free Throw (+2)
90 Ball Control (+2)
73 Pass Vision
75 Pass IQ (-5)
73 Pass Accuracy (-9)
33 Offensive Rebound (+2)
25 Standing Dunk
35 Driving Dunk
30 Contact Dunk
81 Shot IQ (+1)
85 Hands

DEFENSE
46 Defensive Rebound
41 Block (+1)
75 Shot Contest (-4)
57 Steal
75 On-Ball Defense (-1)
40 Low Post Defense (-10)
80 Reaction Time (+1)

ATHLETICISM
46 Boxout (-3)
73 Lateral Quickness
94 Speed
91 Acceleration
85 Vertical (-4)
58 Strength (-6)
88 Stamina
80 Hustle (-12)
60 Durability (+1)

INTANGIBLES
55 Pass Perception (-9)
35 Defensive Consistency (-15)
75 Pick & Roll Defense (+1)
60 Help Defense (-15)
45 Offensive Consistency (-25)
25 Emotion
90 Potential (+6)

This guy is complaining about Rose's athleticism ratings when he's had 94 Speed / 91 Acceleration / 89 Vertical / 64 Strength for a number of years. The only athletic attribute that dropped for Rose was his Lateral Quickness - which dropped for EVERYONE league-wide.

2K ignores most ratings talk because it is flat-out uninformed. Lots of cats have tunnel vision with regard to their favorites and simply don't have a wide-ranging grasp of the NBA landscape. I'm never reluctant to to engage in these discussions (irrespective of what snide remarks might come from the peanut gallery) because I use each one as a learning opportunity.... and having done it for 10+ years at this point, I've learned quite a lot.

There are a small handful of people who understand how 2K calculates each attribute and the time/desire to apply those methods to a large pool of players without showing any bias. Mike was one of that select handful which is why 2K signs his checks now. He isn't perfect, but he is also a significant upgrade from the decade of roster work that preceded him. Anyone questioning him might want to put in the requisite research, look in the mirror, and then put in additional research to make sure they aren't blowing a fool's bugle. Alas, it's easy to write things on the internet with minimal effort.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Again nobody is disputing Rose has been bad this year , we're disputing the last 10 games from him . If you can use those Stats instead of BSing and cherry picking stats that's would be good .

Rose deserved to to get a decline rather it was his double vision or not but his resent play and decline is very questionable.

Rose shot iq dropped tremendously Is a lil odd seeing his shot selection has been actually decent it just isn't falling , last season I would agree wit the decline because he was taking the worst shots I've ever seen with like 5 3pt attempts . He barley takes 2 to 3 this year


Again Rose stats as a whole will support anybody argument of him being a terrible player but what's the point of week to week or daily roster updates if you aren't going off current play ? Rose current play didn't warrant the decline plain and simple.


Rose has been driving a lot more this season and his stats will prob always take a hit FG wise because he never gets foul calls . Before the Hawks game Rose been to the FT line 0 times since December 28th although he only played 2 games in that span but in that bucks and Celtics game he drove and took a ton of times without getting a call .

Anyway I hope Rose keeps getting this collection of games under him and he gets more confidence. Just a week or two ago I think his FG % was 35% .

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

FWIW, my OVR ratings have been coming out lower than 2K's this season (Draw Foul attribute being the only notable difference in scale that accounts for about -1 OVR)

POINT GUARD
92 (-3) Stephen Curry (GSW) - All-Around Superstar
73 (-4) Derrick Rose (CHI) - Athletic Finisher
71 (-2) D'Angelo Russell (LAL) - Offensive-Minded Point

SHOOTING GUARD

SMALL FORWARD
92 (-2) LeBron James (CLE) - All-Around Superstar
77 (-1) Kobe Bryant (LAL) - Crafty Point Forward

POWER FORWARD
77 (-2) Kristaps Porzingis (NYK) - Interior Defender

CENTER
83 (NC) Karl-Anthony Towns (MIN) - All-Around Star
82 (-1) Tim Duncan (SAS) - Two-Way Star
73 (-5) Jahlil Okafor (PHI) - Inside Scorer

[coolcras7]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

There's not enough time in the world to watch every NBA game...Sometimes you have to rely on stats and highlights.

And as I said Stats don't always tell the whole story.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Again nobody is disputing Rose has been bad this year , we're disputing the last 10 games from him . If you can use those Stats instead of BSing and cherry picking stats that's would be good .[

Which continues to dance around the point that Rose was considerably overrated prior to those 10 games.

It's not like he has been gangbusters over that stretch either.

22 3PT%
4.2 APG (34 MPG - this is awful for a starting PG)
0.6 SPG
3.3 TO

He is shooting 26% outside of 15 feet on the year. 10 games don't change his broken jump shot. His play and production are merely meeting in the middle; it's hardly a given that Rose will build on his "enhanced" production either - it's just as likely that he falls back down to earth when the schedule toughens up again.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

And as I said Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Nor do untrained eyeballs.

[coolcras7]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

1. This is picked up by stats pretty easily.
2. The fact that Rose is so thoroughly mediocre that he has to share ball handling responsibilities with his off-guard is not exactly a good look. Playing off an all-star means there's no excuse for his dismal shooting.
3. The Bulls are 22nd offensively for a reason.

Rose: 26 USG%, 44 TS%, 1.8 A/T
Gasol: 25 USG%, 51 TS%, 1.6 A/T
Butler: 24 USG%, 57 TS%, 2.1 A/T

Dumbed down
Rose: 14.6 PPG on 15.6 FGA (lol); 39 FG%, 23 3PT%, 74 FT%
Gasol: 16.5 PPG on 14.2 FGA; 46 FG%, 30 3PT%, 80 FT%
Butler: 22.1 PPG on 15.9 FGA; 46 FG%, 33 3PT%, 83 FT%

Do you think that ranking lies at the feet of Gasol or Butler?



1. Stats are pretty important, and your overall tone towards them is why Beds won't take your concern seriously.
2. Good luck editing 450+ players with your majestic, unbiased eyes.

Reading your rhetoric one would almost believe Rose is outplaying any of his peers.

Starting PGs w/ similar OVR or lower:
78 - Ricky Rubio: 18.2 PER, 49 TS%, 18 USG%, 44 AST% (5th in NBA), 3.8 STL% (leads league), 3.9 A/T
78 - Deron Williams: 15.7 PER, 54 TS%, 22 USG%, 29 AST%, 1.7 STL%, 2.3 A/T
78 - Michael Carter-Williams: 15.7 PER, 51 TS%, 22 USG%, 30 AST%, 2.5 STL%, 2.0 A/T
77 - Goran Dragic: 13.9 PER, 53 TS%, 20 USG%, 26 AST%, 1.7 STL%, 2.0 A/T
77 - Derrick Rose: 10.6 PER, 44 TS%, 25 USG%, 26 AST%, 1.0 STL%, 1.8 A/T
76 - Ish Smith: 17.2 PER, 48 TS%, 24 USG%, 44 AST%, 2.1 STL%, 3.1 A/T
76 - Elfrid Payton: 14.4 PER, 47 TS%, 22 USG%, 31 AST%, 2.5 STL%, 2.5 A/T
75 - Jarrett Jack: 15.0 PER, 51 TS%, 22 USG%, 36 AST%, 1.7 STL%, 2.5 A/T
75 - Patrick Beverley: 11.7 PER, 55 TS%, 16 USG%, 16 AST%, 2.3 STL%, 2.0 A/T
He's not any better than the bottom of the barrel.
74 - Jose Calderon: 13.2 PER, 60 TS%, 12 USG%, 22 AST%, 1.7 STL%, 3.3 A/T
73 - D'Angelo Russell: 12.9 PER, 49 TS%, 23 USG%, 22 AST%, 2.2 STL%, 1.5 A/T
70 - Raul Neto: 10.2 PER, 50 TS%, 17 USG%, 20 AST%, 2.8 STL%, 1.7 A/T

All hail Derrick Rose, victim of 2K Sports and definitely not his own shoddy play.

You have to be one of the most arrogant people on this site, I was using Rose as an example of how just relaying of Stats as the bases of making a player unusable in the game is flawed, so what do you do present me with more stats, thanks, and did you really just say that sharing the ball handling responsibility with multiple people on the team represents a flaw, really that says a lot about your knowledge of basketball beyond the stat sheets, the 2015-2106 offense is based on ball movement and multiple people touching the ball.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

You have to be one of the most arrogant people on this site, I was using Rose as an example of how just relaying of Stats as the bases of making a player unusable in the game is flawed

94 Speed
91 Acceleration

"Unusable in game"

Work on your stick skills

the 2015-2106 offense is based on ball movement and multiple people touching the ball.

It's also about being able to hit a shot outside of 15 feet (and inside of 5 feet, for that matter).

[coolcras7]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

94 Speed
91 Acceleration

"Unusable in game"

Work on your stick skills



It's also about being able to hit a shot outside of 15 feet (and inside of 5 feet, for that matter).

Sorry Man, you are just not worth my time anymore, I will discuss the game with people that actually watch Basketball.