NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

[KingMansaMusa]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

94 Speed
91 Acceleration

"Unusable in game"

Work on your stick skills



It's also about being able to hit a shot outside of 15 feet (and inside of 5 feet, for that matter).

Haha Rashidi for the win.

[Review]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

A treat for all.



Derrick Rose's ratings and my attribute edits.





Derrick Rose (PG)

Athletic Finisher

73 Overall (-4)



OFFENSE

71 Standing Layup (-1)

80 Driving Layup (-2)

50 Post Fade (-5)

50 Post Hook (-5)

40 Post Control (-15)

35 Draw Foul (-27)

83 Standing Close (+6)

83 Moving Close (+8)

59 Standing Mid (-16)

59 Moving Mid (-16)

68 Standing 3pt (+9)

58 Moving 3pt (-1)

74 Free Throw (+2)

90 Ball Control (+2)

73 Pass Vision

75 Pass IQ (-5)

73 Pass Accuracy (-9)

33 Offensive Rebound (+2)

25 Standing Dunk

35 Driving Dunk

30 Contact Dunk

81 Shot IQ (+1)

85 Hands



DEFENSE

46 Defensive Rebound

41 Block (+1)

75 Shot Contest (-4)

57 Steal

75 On-Ball Defense (-1)

40 Low Post Defense (-10)

80 Reaction Time (+1)



ATHLETICISM

46 Boxout (-3)

73 Lateral Quickness

94 Speed

91 Acceleration

85 Vertical (-4)

58 Strength (-6)

88 Stamina

80 Hustle (-12)

60 Durability (+1)



INTANGIBLES

55 Pass Perception (-9)

35 Defensive Consistency (-15)

75 Pick & Roll Defense (+1)

60 Help Defense (-15)

45 Offensive Consistency (-25)

25 Emotion

90 Potential (+6)



This guy is complaining about Rose's athleticism ratings when he's had 94 Speed / 91 Acceleration / 89 Vertical / 64 Strength for a number of years. The only athletic attribute that dropped for Rose was his Lateral Quickness - which dropped for EVERYONE league-wide.



2K ignores most ratings talk because it is flat-out uninformed. Lots of cats have tunnel vision with regard to their favorites and simply don't have a wide-ranging grasp of the NBA landscape. I'm never reluctant to to engage in these discussions (irrespective of what snide remarks might come from the peanut gallery) because I use each one as a learning opportunity.... and having done it for 10+ years at this point, I've learned quite a lot.



There are a small handful of people who understand how 2K calculates each attribute and the time/desire to apply those methods to a large pool of players without showing any bias. Mike was one of that select handful which is why 2K signs his checks now. He isn't perfect, but he is also a significant upgrade from the decade of roster work that preceded him. Anyone questioning him might want to put in the requisite research, look in the mirror, and then put in additional research to make sure they aren't blowing a fool's bugle. Alas, it's easy to write things on the internet with minimal effort.

There should be more point guards in the 70-80 range for standing layup. I've seen quite a few guards in the database with elite (85+) standing layup attributes. Huge discrepancy in your draw foul rating and 2k's. 27 points!


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Sorry Man, you are just not worth my time anymore, I will discuss the game with people that actually watch Basketball.

The scary part...he does watches basketball, lol. I think he's a New York Knicks fan.

Personally, I trust the man's analysis. I used to follow his work, and download his custom rosters. I trust my eyes, and I trust the stats.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

I used to download rashidi's roster for 2k14 (last gen) they were pretty much awesome but aside from that he had that ridiculous quote..that rose is far away from westbrook and wall in dunking ability, i personally understood that as he compared Rose's dunking ability with one from Jrue Holiday lol.

[coolcras7]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

The scary part...he does watches basketball, lol. I think he's a New York Knicks fan.

Personally, I trust the man's analysis. I used to follow his work, and download his custom rosters. I trust my eyes, and I trust the stats.

No one said to ignore the stats, but there are going to misses if that's all you are using to update a roster, there is the missing element of actually watching the games. I used Rose (which someone decided was my beaf with the update) as an example as he is one of the primary 3 scoring option on the current second seed in the eastern conference, and how rating changes may have further limited his ability to score in a video game, because even though video games have come a long way we are still years away from truly capturating the true essence of a real life humans player, so we have plus and minuses take a point here and add one here and hope it translate to how the real person moves and reacts, the point I am trying to make is there has to be more that goes into it in the future.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

No one said to ignore the stats, but there are going to misses if that's all you are using to update a roster, there is the missing element of actually watching the games. I used Rose (which someone decided was my beaf with the update) as an example as he is one of the primary 3 scoring option on the current second seed in the eastern conference, and how rating changes may have further limited his ability to score in a video game, because even though video games have come a long way we are still years away from truly capturating the true essence of a real life humans player, so we have plus and minuses take a point here and add one here and hope it translate to how the real person moves and reacts, the point I am trying to make is there has to be more that goes into it in the future.

Well...did Beds or Rashidi said they based their rosters updates purely on stats?

[coolcras7]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Well...did Beds or Rashidi said they based their rosters updates purely on stats?

Dude I don't give a flying you know what about Rashidi or his rating system, he is not the one doing the ratings for the official game.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Huge discrepancy in your draw foul rating and 2k's. 27 points!

I figured out 2K's formula for Foul Draw and adjusted it (providing a much larger range). I would like to test once I get around to finishing a few teams, as fouls are one of the biggest flaws with defense right now. In the event that it throws too much off, it will be very easy to change.

2K has the following Draw Foul ratings right now (for the players I've edited)

84 LeBron James (FTR: 37%)
83 Stephen Curry (FTR: 31%)
80 Jahlil Okafor (FTR: 26%)
74 Kobe Bryant (FTR: 27%)
73 Tim Duncan (FTR: 29%)
71 Kristaps Porzingis (FTR: 26%)
69 Karl Towns (FTR: 23%)
60 D'Angelo Russell (FTR: 12%)

It's pretty clear they are all over the place and a wider range would be nice.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Dude I don't give a flying you know what about Rashidi or his rating system

I use 2K's rating system.

[alabamarob]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

I figured out 2K's formula for Foul Draw and adjusted it (providing a much larger range). I would like to test once I get around to finishing a few teams, as fouls are one of the biggest flaws with defense right now. In the event that it throws too much off, it will be very easy to change.

2K has the following Draw Foul ratings right now (for the players I've edited)

84 LeBron James (FTR: 37%)
83 Stephen Curry (FTR: 31%)
80 Jahlil Okafor (FTR: 26%)
74 Kobe Bryant (FTR: 27%)
73 Tim Duncan (FTR: 29%)
71 Kristaps Porzingis (FTR: 26%)
69 Karl Towns (FTR: 23%)
60 D'Angelo Russell (FTR: 12%)

It's pretty clear they are all over the place and a wider range would be nice.

What do you have milsap's draw foul rating as?

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

]I used Rose (which someone decided was my beaf with the update) as an example as he is one of the primary 3 scoring option on the current second seed in the eastern conference, and how rating changes may have further limited his ability to score in a video game,

Newsflash: A player shooting under 40% from the field IRL should have a limited ability to score in a video game. The only reason he is a "primary scoring option" is because he takes lots of shots, not because he is good at making them.

Derrick Rose
Rim: 72-143 (50%) - Bad (Why the whole "he could dunk if he wanted" thing is dumb)
Close: 70-167 (42%) - Good
Mid: 24-82 (29%) - Awful
3pt: 16-70 (23%) - Horrendous

Jimmy Butler
Rim: 118-177 (67%) - Good
Close: 43-129 (33%) - Below average
Mid: 54-131 (41%) - Above average
3pt: 40-121 (33%) - Below average

Pau Gasol
Rim: 70-120 (57%) - Average
Close: 73-187 (39%) - Average
Mid: 71-165 (43%) - Good
3pt: 6-20 (30%) - Below average

One of these is not like the others. Here's one for a good laugh.

Rajon Rondo
Rim: 87-125 (69%) - Great
Close: 31-92 (34%) - Below Average
Mid: 31-89 (35%) - Below Average
3pt: 25-76 (33%) - Below average

Outside 15 feet
Butler: 94-252 (37%)
Gasol: 77-185 (42%)
Rondo: 56-165 (34%)
Rose: 40-152 (26%)

Rose is such a terrible shooter he makes Rajon freaking Rondo look competent by comparison. But yeah like you were saying, Rose should have unlimited scoring ability, because did you see those last 5 games?

[Hopsin]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Newsflash: A player shooting under 40% from the field IRL should have a limited ability to score in a video game. The only reason he is a "primary scoring option" is because he takes lots of shots, not because he is good at making them.



Derrick Rose

Rim: 72-143 (50%) - Bad (Why the whole "he could dunk if he wanted" thing is dumb)

Close: 70-167 (42%) - Good

Mid: 24-82 (29%) - Awful

3pt: 16-70 (23%) - Horrendous



Jimmy Butler

Rim: 118-177 (67%) - Good

Close: 43-129 (33%) - Below average

Mid: 54-131 (41%) - Above average

3pt: 40-121 (33%) - Below average



Pau Gasol

Rim: 70-120 (57%) - Average

Close: 73-187 (39%) - Average

Mid: 71-165 (43%) - Good

3pt: 6-20 (30%) - Below average



One of these is not like the others. Here's one for a good laugh.



Rajon Rondo

Rim: 87-125 (69%) - Great

Close: 31-92 (34%) - Below Average

Mid: 31-89 (35%) - Below Average

3pt: 25-76 (33%) - Below average



Outside 15 feet

Butler: 94-252 (37%)

Gasol: 77-185 (42%)

Rondo: 56-165 (34%)

Rose: 40-152 (26%)



Rose is such a terrible shooter he makes Rajon freaking Rondo look competent by comparison. But yeah like you were saying, Rose should have unlimited scoring ability, because did you see those last 5 games?

Please guys.. Stop feeding this guy lol.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Dude I don't give a flying you know what about Rashidi or his rating system, he is not the one doing the ratings for the official game.

I'm just asking. Your previous post implied that neither Rashidi OR Beds watches real basketball, and everything is all about the stats for them when it comes to roster updates. So, it was a simple question.

Real talk. They can't watch every game. They can't follow every team religiously. Not enough time in a day. Truth to be told, the only advantage to watching the games is that it give you more insight to how players "work for or get their numbers". It just helps in deciding whether you'll give a player a 92, 93, or 94 if player is shooting 47% from 3PT for example.

In this day and age, there's so much available data and tracking information, the infamous "eye test" is becoming extinct. I understand what you're saying, but the eye test needs to be supported by data at some point. Otherwise, it just becomes a "I don't care what the numbers say. I saw what I saw, believe what I believe, therefore it is." discussion.

[Review]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

I figured out 2K's formula for Foul Draw and adjusted it (providing a much larger range). I would like to test once I get around to finishing a few teams, as fouls are one of the biggest flaws with defense right now. In the event that it throws too much off, it will be very easy to change.



2K has the following Draw Foul ratings right now (for the players I've edited)



84 LeBron James (FTR: 37%)

83 Stephen Curry (FTR: 31%)

80 Jahlil Okafor (FTR: 26%)

74 Kobe Bryant (FTR: 27%)

73 Tim Duncan (FTR: 29%)

71 Kristaps Porzingis (FTR: 26%)

69 Karl Towns (FTR: 23%)

60 D'Angelo Russell (FTR: 12%)



It's pretty clear they are all over the place and a wider range would be nice.

Some really good comparison data here. Nice work. So far the only thing I've found with fouls is that it is much easier to draw a foul with "Bigs" down low. However, this could be due to opposing big men having a high (80+) foul rating tendency. Have to test more to be sure though.


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[CookNBA03]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-8-16)

Please guys.. Stop feeding this guy lol.

Well, it's not like he's wrong.