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  • FindingTim
    Rookie
    • Mar 2009
    • 386

    #1

    MLB All-Time League

    Greetings, baseball fans

    Is that the whiff of freshly mowed grass I smell wafting through the air? It must be time to start polishing the annual MLB All-Time League roster.

    If you are unacquainted, the premise is a fictional, hypothetical league in which all teams are comprised of the best players to don each uniform. In other words, Chipper Jones and Hank Aaron bat in the same Braves lineup, Sandy Koufax and Clayton Kershaw pitch in the same rotation (with Eric Gagne closing), and yes, Aaron Cook and Pedro Astacio have joined forces (at last!).
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    I used to play one fantasy draft franchise and one simulation franchise for each iteration of The Show. However, once I discovered the joy of playing an All-Time League, the other modes seemed dull by comparison. If you head to Seattle for a three game series, Griffey and Ichiro are manning the outfield. Philadelphia coming to town? Have fun trying to hit Steve Carlton. Want to see who emerges victorious in a Babe Ruth/ Pedro Martinez matchup? Now you can.

    With this roster set, every team is intriguing— and many teams have stacked rosters capable of winning a title. It’s a magical place where your imagination and baseball history collide.

    You can view the rosters here.

    It’s tough narrowing down the rosters and making cuts (Brandon Phillips or Eric Davis?). I’d love some feedback. Which players were wrongly omitted? Conversely, is there anyone on the final rosters that doesn’t deserve to be there? Also, what changes in the batting order, rotation, or bullpen would improve the roster? Who should leadoff for the Yankees? Also, because players may only play for one team, I could use your opinion on players who excelled for multiple clubs. For example, should Frank Robinson be on the Reds or the Orioles?

    Also, there are probably players whose performance in 2015 warrants them a slot on the All-Time Roster. Did Anthony Rizzo push himself onto the Cubs 25 man roster? Is Matt Harvey now a top 25 Met? Should Dee Gordon back up Luis Castillo in Florida? Any recommendations are welcome.
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    If I recall correctly, rosters can be imported from one iteration of The Show to the next— but unfortunately many of the adjustments I made to the roster were made “in-franchise”, and not in the base roster. Because of that, the roster needs some help. (it’s not possible to import a roster from a franchise is it?) Anyhow, which overall player ratings need adjusting? Did too many or too few players make it into the elite '99 rating' club? Taking a quick glance through the player ratings, I already see players rated too high. Manny Ramirez, despite his amazing hitting, does not deserve a '99' rating due to his horrendous defense. Does Al Kaline really deserve to be rated four points higher than Hank Greenberg? Probably not. Is a '95' rating too high for Eddie Mathews? Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

    I will post the rosters in the vault soon. Remember, they will not match the updated rosters because I moronically altered them only in a franchise. Consequently, some of the more obscure players I created (think Aubrey Huff) will be absent. But there is still a very strong core roster.

    The good news is that I have meticulously researched players and stats, and created a document that details the full rosters for each team. If any of you have a gift for player creation, your contributions are welcome. Once I gather your feedback and opinions, I'll apply the new edits to the roster. If we work together, I think we can create the best set of All-Time Rosters yet.
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    If you are interested, here are results and data from some All-Time League simulations:

    Year 1 Regular Season Results

    Year 1 Playoff Results

    Year 2 Regular Season Results


    Year 2 Playoff Results


    Year 3 Regular Season Results

    Power Rankings

    Year 1 All-Star Rosters

    Year 2 All-Star Rosters


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    Roster Details

    -The Designated Hitter rule has been applied to both leagues to account for the large talent pool

    -Because the rosters span the course of MLB history, older franchises have an obvious advantage. The White Sox, for example, were established in 1900, giving them considerably more seasons to “acquire” talent than, say, the Marlins, who were established in 1993. Still, the Marlins roster is no pushover.

    -Each player may only play for one team. Players were assigned to the team that most epitomizes their career or legacy. Sorry, Rays fans-- no Wade Boggs. On the bright side, you were gifted Josh Gibson out of sympathy. If this rings unfair, I have two words for you: Akinori Iwamura. (of course, you are free to remove Gibson from the roster if you prefer.)

    -Player ratings are essentially a gauge of their "truest" nature as players. For example, Brett Boone had a phenomenal year in 2001- but it was an anomaly compared to the bulk of his career- so Boone isn't rated nearly as high as, say, Jeff Kent or Joe Morgan, even though Boone's brief peak was in the stratosphere. However, players like Fernando Valenzuela and Dwight Gooden-- despite lacking career longevity-- performed at an elite level for enough seasons to establish themselves as truly great players. As a result, players of their ilk are rated very high to honor their relatively short but transcendent peak. Tim Lincecum fits this mold, too-- and has been given stellar attributes to match his peak, dismissing his mediocre post-prime years.

    For some players it's a bit more complicated. The Orioles' Chris Davis was awarded elite power attributes to honor his consistent power production, but his contact rating and plate discipline have been adjusted to find a middle ground between his godly 2013 season and his handful of lesser statistical seasons. In contrast, Brady Anderson was not awarded stellar power attributes due to the fluky nature of his 50-homer season.

    -Needs were taken into consideration when making roster cuts. For example, every team was equipped with a backup catcher, despite more prolific players not making the roster. Other positional needs and surpluses were taken into consideration, too. For example, the Giants are loaded with all-time great sluggers in the outfield (Bonds, Mays, Ott, McCovey, Cepeda) but lacked speed on their bench. For this reason, Bobby Bonds made the 25 man roster instead of Monte Irvin, largely due to his baserunning ability.

    -In some circumstances, players were given extra "believable" position eligibility in order to get them in the lineup. For example, Phil Rizzuto was made 3B eligible in order to platoon with Craig Nettles-- conceding shortstop to... well who else?

    -While I tried to avoid "era bias", players from the late 1800's and early 1900's were viewed with extra skepticism. Still, many 'pioneers' made the cut. Indians fans will be happy to see Nap Lajoie manning second base, and the Red Sox will go to war with an intimidating 1-2-3 of Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, and Cy Young. And of course, the gloriously-mustached Cap Anson holds down first base for the Cubs. He has been stellar in all of my simulated seasons.
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    I hope you have as much fun playing with these rosters as I had constructing them.

    See you around,
    Tim


    EDIT:
    The rosters, power rankings, sim results etc. have been switched from "private" to "public" and are now viewable.


    EDIT 2: Please disregard all the player ratings in the viewable rosters. These have been altered significantly in the actual roster. I'll upload the correctly rated rosters soon.

    EDIT 3: The base rosters have been uploaded as "MLB ATL (base)". PSN name is EPtim. Keep in mind, these are very rough. Player ratings need editing, ages and potential have not been tinkered with. Some historic players look fantastic, some need help.

    Last edited by FindingTim; 01-19-2016, 05:29 PM.
  • doncropper
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 1416

    #2
    Re: MLB All-Time League

    Tim,

    Exceptionally well explained and I look forward to enjoying your creation.

    Just for clarification:

    (it’s not possible to import a roster from a franchise is it?)

    Actually, in MLBTS 15 the only way to transfer a roster from MLBTS 14 is via a Franchise/Season file transfer then exporting/importing each player individually into a roster file. In MLBTS 16 we are hoping they have implemented, as they earlier stated they would, the ability to directly transfer a roster file from previous versions without having to go through the Franchise/Season process to create a true independent roster file.

    Thanks Again,
    Don

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    • Knight165
      *ll St*r
      • Feb 2003
      • 24964

      #3
      Re: MLB All-Time League

      Originally posted by doncropper
      Tim,

      Exceptionally well explained and I look forward to enjoying your creation.

      Just for clarification:

      (it’s not possible to import a roster from a franchise is it?)

      Actually, in MLBTS 15 the only way to transfer a roster from MLBTS 14 is via a Franchise/Season file transfer then exporting/importing each player individually into a roster file. In MLBTS 16 we are hoping they have implemented, as they earlier stated they would, the ability to directly transfer a roster file from previous versions without having to go through the Franchise/Season process to create a true independent roster file.

      Thanks Again,
      Don
      Don....we won't have the ability to use rosters from '15 directly onto '16.
      Hopefully the CPU ROSTER CONTROL method still works....

      If he started that franchise with CPU RC on....he can export those players.

      M.K.
      Knight165
      All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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      • FindingTim
        Rookie
        • Mar 2009
        • 386

        #4
        Re: MLB All-Time League

        Originally posted by Knight165
        Don....we won't have the ability to use rosters from '15 directly onto '16.
        Hopefully the CPU ROSTER CONTROL method still works....

        If he started that franchise with CPU RC on....he can export those players.

        M.K.
        Knight165
        Just booted up the franchise.
        I have control of every team, but I can't verify if CPU roster control is on.

        I seem to remember there being a difference between turning CPU roster control 'on' and merely choosing to control every team. Hmm...

        But assuming it was turned on, this is (potentially) great news. There were quite a few created players and attribute edits that are in the franchise, but not the base roster. Exporting/Importing will be far less tedious than the alternative.
        Last edited by FindingTim; 01-17-2016, 04:32 PM.

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        • Knight165
          *ll St*r
          • Feb 2003
          • 24964

          #5
          Re: MLB All-Time League

          Originally posted by FindingTim
          Just booted up the franchise.
          I have control of every team, but I can't verify if CPU roster control is on.

          I seem to remember there being a difference between turning CPU roster control 'on' and merely choosing to control every team. Hmm...

          But assuming it was turned on, this is (potentially) great news. There were quite a few created players and attribute edits that are in the franchise, but not the base roster. Exporting/Importing will be far less tedious than the alternative.
          Choosing all 30 teams and turning CPU RC on are separate.
          If you go into the franchise and on the menu....you don't have the CPU ROSTER CONTROL box locked...you're good to go.
          If there is a lock on it and it's greyed out....NG.

          M.K.
          Knight165
          All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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          • CWSpalehoseCWS
            MVP
            • Jun 2005
            • 1028

            #6
            Re: MLB All-Time League

            IMO your White Sox roster needs some tweaking...

            Baines was a RF, Joe Jackson was a CF, and Minoso was a LF.

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            • Rwings832
              Pro
              • Jan 2006
              • 881

              #7
              Re: MLB All-Time League

              Biebig2010 has a good All Time Roster set out as a base. Of course he has all the minors filled up with players as well. I started the task of re-rating the players using JT's RBU calculator that does the a great job rating guys to particular season's. I have almost all the American League done and do have the American League Central Done. It is a big task, but actually enjoy it as I don't play Franchise. Since we have year to year saves now, I feel I can take this roster and make it my own. Can you explain how you are rating guys then? Are you taking there Overall Average as player and doing the ratings that way? I know a lot of guys on here would love to see what you got?

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              • JonPaste
                Rookie
                • May 2014
                • 36

                #8
                Re: MLB All-Time League

                Just upload it, it's the off season would give us something fun to do.

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                • FindingTim
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 386

                  #9
                  Re: MLB All-Time League

                  Originally posted by CWSpalehoseCWS
                  IMO your White Sox roster needs some tweaking...

                  Baines was a RF, Joe Jackson was a CF, and Minoso was a LF.
                  thanks for the heads up. Not sure how Minoso ended up in center, he only played 88 games there in his whole career.

                  speaking of Baines, he won the AL batting title in my first simulation. Who would have guessed? Regressed pretty hard in years 2 and 3 though...

                  Originally posted by Rwings832
                  Can you explain how you are rating guys then? Are you taking their Overall Average as player and doing the ratings that way? I know a lot of guys on here would love to see what you got?
                  I imported players from a variety of places, so I can't claim to have a method for each players rating.
                  However, overall ratings are very important to me. I've made a lot of tweaks in that regard, and I'd say that the ratings in the roster linked in my first post can be disregarded. A lot of those players are rated too high or too low. For instance, Hal Trosky is definitely not a '98', as listed. He was a nice player, but '98' ratings are reserved for the elite of the elite. And speaking of 98's, Jeter's rating has been decreased, too. Iconic player, but not a 98 overall.

                  Generally, I think The Show's overall rating corresponds very well to the specific attributes. If a player's overall rating or potential rating seems off, I go in and edit the attributes that seem inflated or too low. To me, there is even a significant difference between '95' overall players and '94' overall players. It's a tier system.

                  Originally posted by JonPaste
                  Just upload it, it's the off season would give us something fun to do.
                  The updated rosters are only in my franchise.
                  Imagine you wrote a novel you were very proud of, but the only thing available to the public was the mediocre first draft.

                  Once 2016 drops, I'll get this puppy out there as soon as possible.
                  Last edited by FindingTim; 01-19-2016, 04:12 PM.

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                  • FindingTim
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 386

                    #10
                    Re: MLB All-Time League

                    UPDATE: Yesterday I went through all the teams and made everyone on the 25 man roster age 21. That way, you can play out 10+ seasons with these rosters.

                    I wish there was a way to turn off player progression... I edited a lot of "potential" ratings so hopefully that prevents everyone from becoming a 99 rating by year four. We'll see...

                    I couldn't edit ages of players on the SCEA roster. Guys like Johan Santana, Torii Hunter, Mark Buehrle, Cliff Lee, Carlos Beltran. It would be ideal to have all the players on the 25 man rosters the same age, but it's tough to omit these guys when their player models are so perfect. Still, if anyone has good CAP's of these guys, please let me know.
                    Last edited by FindingTim; 01-19-2016, 04:09 PM.

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                    • JonPaste
                      Rookie
                      • May 2014
                      • 36

                      #11
                      Re: MLB All-Time League

                      i dont want to read your novel I want to play with your rosters. But, just keep telling me how fun they are and all the fun your having with them.

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                      • FindingTim
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 386

                        #12
                        Re: MLB All-Time League

                        Originally posted by JonPaste
                        i dont want to read your novel I want to play with your rosters. But, just keep telling me how fun they are and all the fun your having with them.
                        I uploaded them as MLB ATL (base).

                        I warned you they are rough and unedited, so I don't want to hear you complaining. I've spent a lot of time trying to make a good roster set. Not digging your negativity.

                        But still, if you or anyone else have advice on how to improve lineups, rotations, player appearances, or player attributes, let me know. The goal is to make the rosters better. Also, if you have superior versions of specific historic players, let me know so we can swap them out for the 2016 release.
                        Last edited by FindingTim; 01-19-2016, 05:28 PM.

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                        • JonPaste
                          Rookie
                          • May 2014
                          • 36

                          #13
                          Re: MLB All-Time League

                          Thanks! I've never gripped about what I download when I put forth no effort. I appreciate you doing that I was just being a hard ***.

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                          • FindingTim
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 386

                            #14
                            Re: MLB All-Time League

                            Originally posted by Rwings832
                            Biebig2010 has a good All Time Roster set out as a base.
                            I checked out Biebig's roster out of curiosity. Holy hell is it good. For the most part, the player models destroy my roster. Also, there are great players I somehow overlooked, like HOF shortstop Bobby Wallace.

                            Sigh... I wish I'd known about this roster sooner. As of now, I'm considering abandoning my roster altogether-- loading Biebig's roster, then editing player ratings and ages.

                            My god... the amount of work that must have gone into making all those faces...

                            Originally posted by JonPaste
                            Thanks! I've never gripped about what I download when I put forth no effort. I appreciate you doing that I was just being a hard ***.
                            Forget my rosters for now. A magician named Biebig2010 has created a superior product.
                            Last edited by FindingTim; 01-19-2016, 06:00 PM.

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                            • doncropper
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 1416

                              #15
                              Re: MLB All-Time League

                              Yep, Biebig2010 produces many exceptional roster sets. You should check out his other sets, somewhere around 5 or so for MLBTS 16, which each are superbly done. Those can keep one having fun for a very long time and cover almost any time period one maybe interested in revisiting!

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