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  • slickdtc
    Grayscale
    • Aug 2004
    • 17125

    #61
    Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

    I just don't trust Manning to be a game manager because he's never been asked to be one or had to be one. It's funny, if you stick Alex Smith on that team I'd feel a lot better about their chances.

    Also, it's the Patriots.
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    Originally posted by Money99
    And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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    • gharp14
      Rookie
      • Jun 2010
      • 131

      #62
      Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

      Gotta go with the Patriots in this one. I just have no faith in Denver's offense, especially against the pats defense. Denver defense is really good but not enough to win.
      Pats 23
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      • areobee401
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2006
        • 16771

        #63
        Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

        @MikeReiss
        Ed Hochuli has been assigned as referee for the AFC Championship Game, the league announced today.

        Yay
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        • wwharton
          *ll St*r
          • Aug 2002
          • 26949

          #64
          Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

          Originally posted by slickdtc
          I just don't trust Manning to be a game manager because he's never been asked to be one or had to be one. It's funny, if you stick Alex Smith on that team I'd feel a lot better about their chances.

          Also, it's the Patriots.
          Don't really get this comment, slickdtc. I'd argue that Manning and Brady have managed games on a HOF level throughout their careers. People have traditionally said Manning has always been the real OC in Indy.

          Of course Manning's arm isn't what it used to be (and that may be enough for a BB designed defense to win the chess match with him), but its amazing how many are focused on that only. He's got one of the best minds we've ever see play the QB position. Your Alex (or their Brock) couldn't hold a candle when it comes to recognizing defenses, calling perfect audibles, putting olinemen in the best possible position, getting the ball to the correct receiver for the situation, etc. His decreased velocity is definitely a real handicap, don't get me wrong... but you guys are nuts if you think there are more than a handful of QBs you'd rather have going into a conference championship game against a BB defense designed to exploit your weaknesses.

          This game is going to be A LOT closer than I think most people are predicting.

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          • ggsimmonds
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jan 2009
            • 11235

            #65
            Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

            Originally posted by wwharton
            Don't really get this comment, slickdtc. I'd argue that Manning and Brady have managed games on a HOF level throughout their careers. People have traditionally said Manning has always been the real OC in Indy.

            Of course Manning's arm isn't what it used to be (and that may be enough for a BB designed defense to win the chess match with him), but its amazing how many are focused on that only. He's got one of the best minds we've ever see play the QB position. Your Alex (or their Brock) couldn't hold a candle when it comes to recognizing defenses, calling perfect audibles, putting olinemen in the best possible position, getting the ball to the correct receiver for the situation, etc. His decreased velocity is definitely a real handicap, don't get me wrong... but you guys are nuts if you think there are more than a handful of QBs you'd rather have going into a conference championship game against a BB defense designed to exploit your weaknesses.

            This game is going to be A LOT closer than I think most people are predicting.
            I kinda get his comment to an extent only with regards to Peyton because of what was in the past his greatest gift -- deciphering the defense and audibling to a play to beat that defense.

            Usually I hate the tag "game manager" for the reasons you cited, every QB is expected to be a game manager. But I do wonder if in this point in his career, Peyton may be better off sticking to the script so to speak. I don't know, 20 minutes from now I may change my mind and say its the only reason he is still a good Qb.

            In the past Peyton was able to pick apart the defense. He knew exactly how to attack a defense and was able to do it. Now he may be better off just taking what the defense gives him instead of taking what he wants. Hopefully that makes sense.

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            • dsallupinyaarea
              Rookie
              • Jan 2009
              • 2764

              #66
              Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

              Originally posted by Candyman5
              Had a relative go to Auburn. We went there on a open campus thing for a week. Cam was a complete POS to anyone that wasnt in his "clique". Every since then my hate for him has been strong.

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              • areobee401
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2006
                • 16771

                #67
                Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                I remember when Brady was considered the "game manager" and Manning the "gunslinger" who needed to throw 40+ times for his team to win.
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                • slickdtc
                  Grayscale
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 17125

                  #68
                  Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                  Originally posted by ggsimmonds

                  In the past Peyton was able to pick apart the defense. He knew exactly how to attack a defense and was able to do it. Now he may be better off just taking what the defense gives him instead of taking what he wants. Hopefully that makes sense.

                  This is what I meant. He may see the safeties or corners playing up, and think I'll go over the top or PA and exploit their aggressiveness to the run. But he's not physically able to do it as well as he used to.

                  His mind is ahead of his body, and airing it out may result in a major underthrow that gets picked.

                  He may not be a game manager, but he's gotta be very efficient with the short/intermediate passing game.
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                  Originally posted by Money99
                  And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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                  • kehlis
                    Moderator
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 27738

                    #69
                    2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                    Teams are playing up on him this year because they know he can't beat them deep. It's why their running game has been so porous.

                    It would take an extreme breakdown in coverage for him to beat anyone deep at this point which is why we're seeing him hardly even try at this point.

                    Even with 10 yard out routes he will only throw it if the the WR beat a zone or if the defense has no chance at making a play.

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                    • redsox4evur
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 18169

                      #70
                      Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                      Originally posted by kehlis
                      Teams are playing up on him this year because they know he can't beat them deep. It's why their running game has been so porous.

                      It would take an extreme breakdown in coverage for him to beat anyone deep at this point which is why we're seeing him hardly even try at this point.

                      Even with 10 yard out routes he will only throw it if the the WR beat a zone or if the defense has no chance at making a play.
                      Like the play where he gave himself up, didn't get called for it and hit Manny Sanders for a 34 yard or so gain.
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                      • kehlis
                        Moderator
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 27738

                        #71
                        Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                        Originally posted by redsox4evur
                        Like the play where he gave himself up, didn't get called for it and hit Manny Sanders for a 34 yard or so gain.

                        Not quite sure what your point is?

                        The throw was less than 20 yards and worked mainly because the defense gave up because of a questionable gimmick.

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                        • areobee401
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 16771

                          #72
                          2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                          Is there any scenario other than injury where we could see Brock replace Peyton on Sunday, or is Denver dead set on living or dying with Peyton at QB?

                          I personally don't see one, but was curious what the feeling is amongst Broncos fans.
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                          • kehlis
                            Moderator
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 27738

                            #73
                            Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                            Originally posted by areobee401
                            Is there any scenario other than injury where we could see Brock replace Peyton on Sunday, or is Denver dead set on living or dying with Peyton at QB?

                            I personally don't see one, but was curious what the feeling is amongst Broncos fans.

                            If it were up to me Brock would start but you're right, short of injury there isn't a scenario short of injury that Manning comes out.

                            They'll let him see it through.

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                            • areobee401
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 16771

                              #74
                              Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                              Jerod Mayo placed on season ending IR today. No big loss, but likely the end of a solid Patriots career.
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                              • slickdtc
                                Grayscale
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 17125

                                #75
                                Re: 2016 AFC Championship Game: #2 New England Patriots at #1 Denver Broncos

                                They got through one game with Manning so I'm not sure there's a chance Brock comes in. If Manning is so bad that they consider or do yank him, I'd guess NE will be up big. They'd probably let Manning play out the game as a last hurrah.
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                                Originally posted by Money99
                                And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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