Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

[roadman]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

EA has already been sued over this and lost. They didn't take their cause to the NFL. I'm sure 2k won't take this to the league office and it won't sniff Silver's desk. I'm sure his office has better things to do than participate in talks with VC about them being sued.

So, now the artist are going after 2k and VC. Sucks for gamers, it is what is and there isn't anything anyone can do about it. VC knew the outcome of the EA case, they knew their number was coming up shortly,

It's a slam dunk case because of outcome that happened with EA.

[CaseIH]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

This is ridiculous, people will sue at the drop of a hat anymore. I hope they get a judge that is just as sick of stupid lawsuits as I am, and 2k ends up not having to pay. And no Im not a fanboy buy any means, as its not like this company probably dont have it coming to them in some form with some of the BS they try to feed people over the years. Its just wrong to sue, I think there are a few legit reasons to sue, but something like this is as ridiculous as suing McDonalds over their coffee hot.

[redsox4evur]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

This is ridiculous, people will sue at the drop of a hat anymore. I hope they get a judge that is just as sick of stupid lawsuits as I am, and 2k ends up not having to pay. And no Im not a fanboy buy any means, as its not like this company probably dont have it coming to them in some form with some of the BS they try to feed people over the years. Its just wrong to sue, I think there are a few legit reasons to sue, but something like this is as ridiculous as suing McDonalds over their coffee hot.

If he does that. The tattoo artist will appeal the decision and win. Honestly he/she can't rule in favor of 2K on this one. Because there is already precedent that the tattoo artist wins a case like this. And any lawyer knows this already.

[bcruise]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

EA has already been sued over this and lost. They didn't take their cause to the NFL. I'm sure 2k won't take this won't and it won't sniff Silver's desk. I'm sure his office has better things to do than participate in talks with VC about them being sued.

So, now the artist are going after 2k and VC. Sucks for gamers, it is what is and there isn't anything anyone can do about it.

It's a slam dunk case because of outcome that happened with EA.

I feel like this will hurt 2k a lot more from the customer perspective, given how much more skin shows in the basketball game as compared to football or baseball. It's going to be jarring if 2k follows suit (no pun intended) and removes them for fear of getting sued again. The floodgates are open. One suit might not be a dent in even 2k's VC sales (much less total profit), but if every NBA player's tattoo artist sees this and thinks they can make a quick buck too...

That said, having grown up in a generation were players were 2D sprites or barely a step above 3D stick figures, I'll manage somehow even if they get removed.

Edit: Actually, saying it'll hurt 2k more is a little short sighted...you can bet EA is watching this go down and planning accordingly with Live as well.

[redsox4evur]

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but if every NBA player's tattoo artist sees this and thinks they can make a quick buck too...

I doubt that will happen...this is only the 3rd or 4th case about this sort of issue in the last decade. You had the EA one, this one and then the guy that did Tyson's face tattoo suing Hangover and maybe one more.

[WISports]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

This whole thing is silly.

Players pay money for their tattoos. At that point, that should be their property. And if they're ok with it being in a videogame, that's all that should matter.

[roadman]

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By law, it's a copyright infringement of the tattoo artist.

Since that is law, the tattoo artist decides if it's ok to be in the game, not the player.

Here's is an excerpt from the Madden issues with the same thing regarding tattoos:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/6/5/5782540/madden-nfl-15-tattoos-returning-colin-kaepernick

It really comes down to a piece of art asset here that could be [copyrighted], frankly, as we've learned over time," Graddy explained. This problem came to light last year, when a tattoo artist sued EA and now-retired NFL running back Ricky Williams for copyright infringement. Williams had appeared on the cover of EA's 2004 title NFL Street with tattoos that the artist had inked, and the individual accused EA of using his work without his permission. The artist later dropped the case. (Update: Bloomberg Businessweek reported that following that lawsuit, the NFLPA began advising players to obtain copyright permissions for their tattoos as a preventive measure.)

As it stands, EA will only use real tattoos if the athlete himself first goes out and secures the permission of the artists. That's exactly what Kaepernick did, because he "takes his tattoos as a personal self-expression that he wants represented in any product or marketing thing that he's a part of," said Graddy.

[KingMansaMusa]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

Just pay these guys and get over with it plain and simple.

[Vni]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

Just pay these guys and get over with it plain and simple.

Would you happen to be a tattoo artist by any chance ?

[seanie719]

[This year's post about this] "Who cares. I hope 2k has to pay" "I don't play 2k for tattoos"

[Next year's post about this] "2k is a joke. Where are the tattoos?"

[24ct]

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I don't understand why ppl think it's ridiculous for the tattoo artists to be suing over their property. It's their work. Sometimes they're custom drawing stuff. It's actual physical property. Not the players body but the artwork is. Nothing ridiculous about them suing imo. I'm not a lawyer but it's pretty clear this is copyright infringement to some degree.

[coolcras7]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

Just pay these guys and get over with it plain and simple.

did you read how much he is asking for, and this is one artist imagine how much the price tag will be when every tattoo artist request the same.

[redsox4evur]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

did you read how much he is asking for, and this is one artist imagine how much the price tag will be when every tattoo artist request the same.

Did you read the thread? They are going to have to pay them anyways...

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

I don't understand why ppl think it's ridiculous for the tattoo artists to be suing over their property. It's their work. Sometimes they're custom drawing stuff. It's actual physical property. Not the players body but the artwork is. Nothing ridiculous about them suing imo. I'm not a lawyer but it's pretty clear this is copyright infringement to some degree.

What I don't understand is why people are rooting for 2k to lose the case, like they're getting a cut of the tattoo artists payout....all it does is hurt us as the consumer...

Mentality around here is completely jacked up

[coolcras7]

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Did you read the thread? They are going to have to pay them anyways...

I know they will have to settle, but the point still stand that he is requesting a percentage of their sales and a waiver of over a million dollars