NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

[suh90beast]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Why drop archie goodwin

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[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Plus the fact Butler has become a bit of a ball stopped this year similar to Melo going for isos at the elbow much

Butler needs to learn to play in the offense more instead of doing his own thing , he's not a superstar yet despite his good play

Butler is the best player on the Bulls and blaming Rose's struggles on him is a bonafide joke.

Butler isn't a "superstar" but unlike Rose he's actually an all-star and clear-cut top 3 at his position.

The game vs the Kings was one of the few games this year our team actually had very good ball movement

Playing against a garbage defense will do that.

and him (Butler) bringing the ball up and going ISO much causes a lot of ball watching that's not ideal for Fred's offense.

Play Type Data

Derrick Rose
ON-BALL SCORING (56% of Offense)
46% PnR Ball: 0.82 PPP (62nd Percentile)
10% Isolation: 0.76 PPP (46th Percentile)
OFF-BALL SHOOTING
15% Spot-Up: 0.91 PPP (44th Percentile)
3% Hand-Off: 0.79 PPP (34th Percentile)
1% Off-Screen: 1.00 PPP (65th Percentile)
MISC. ATHLETICISM
13% Transition: 0.81 PPP (9th Percentile)
3% Basket Cut: 0.81 PPP (4th Percentile)
2% Putback: 0.79 PPP (13th Percentile)

Jimmy Butler
ON-BALL SCORING (50% of Offense)
31% PnR Ball: 0.89 PPP (78th Percentile)
13% Isolation: 1.00 PPP (83rd Percentile)
6% Post-Up: 0.92 PPP (73rd Percentile)
OFF-BALL SHOOTING
10% Spot-Up: 0.97 PPP (57th Percentile)
6% Hand-Off: 1.06 PPP (78th Percentile)
5% Off-Screen: 0.87 PPP (38th Percentile)
1% PnR Roll: 1.40 PPP (97th Percentile)
MISC. ATHLETICISM
13% Transition: 1.12 PPP (55th Percentile)
9% Basket Cut: 1.55 PPP (94th Percentile)
2% Putback: 1.35 PPP (92nd Percentile)

Butler's role in the offense has nothing to do with Derrick Rose losing a step or five athletically.... or anything to do with Rose's mediocre shot for that matter. Rose still dominates the ball and Butler is very far from being a Melo/Harden type.


Isolation Stats
28% James Harden: 0.96 PPP (406 possessions)
25% Carmelo Anthony: 0.91 PPP (261 possessions)
20% LeBron James: 0.86 PPP (236 possessions)
18% DeMar DeRozan: 0.88 PPP (212 possessions)
16% Paul George: 0.82 PPP (190 possessions)
15% Damian Lillard: 1.01 PPP (168 possessions)
15% Kevin Durant: 1.07 PPP (163 possessions)
12% Russell Westbrook: 0.72 PPP (157 possessions)
23% Julius Randle: 0.65 PPP (156 possessions)
19% Jahlil Okafor: 0.81 PPP (152 possessions)
18% Danilo Gallinari: 0.86 PPP (151 possessions)
18% Kobe Bryant: 0.66 PPP (149 possessions)
13% Reggie Jackson: 0.88 PPP (133 possessions)
13% Jimmy Butler: 1.00 PPP (130 possessions)
11% DeMarcus Cousins: 0.59 PPP (128 possessions)

Butler is a lot of things. Ineffective ball-stopper ain't one of them.

[Review]

NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Butler is the best player on the Bulls and blaming Rose's struggles on him is a bonafide joke.



Butler isn't a "superstar" but unlike Rose he's actually an all-star and clear-cut top 3 at his position.









Playing against a garbage defense will do that.







Play Type Data



Derrick Rose

ON-BALL SCORING (56% of Offense)

46% PnR Ball: 0.82 PPP (62nd Percentile)

10% Isolation: 0.76 PPP (46th Percentile)

OFF-BALL SHOOTING

15% Spot-Up: 0.91 PPP (44th Percentile)

3% Hand-Off: 0.79 PPP (34th Percentile)

1% Off-Screen: 1.00 PPP (65th Percentile)

MISC. ATHLETICISM

13% Transition: 0.81 PPP (9th Percentile)

3% Basket Cut: 0.81 PPP (4th Percentile)

2% Putback: 0.79 PPP (13th Percentile)



Jimmy Butler

ON-BALL SCORING (50% of Offense)

31% PnR Ball: 0.89 PPP (78th Percentile)

13% Isolation: 1.00 PPP (83rd Percentile)

6% Post-Up: 0.92 PPP (73rd Percentile)

OFF-BALL SHOOTING

10% Spot-Up: 0.97 PPP (57th Percentile)

6% Hand-Off: 1.06 PPP (78th Percentile)

5% Off-Screen: 0.87 PPP (38th Percentile)

1% PnR Roll: 1.40 PPP (97th Percentile)

MISC. ATHLETICISM

13% Transition: 1.12 PPP (55th Percentile)

9% Basket Cut: 1.55 PPP (94th Percentile)

2% Putback: 1.35 PPP (92nd Percentile)



Butler's role in the offense has nothing to do with Derrick Rose losing a step or five athletically.... or anything to do with Rose's mediocre shot for that matter. Rose still dominates the ball and Butler is very far from being a Melo/Harden type.





Isolation Stats

28% James Harden: 0.96 PPP (406 possessions)

25% Carmelo Anthony: 0.91 PPP (261 possessions)

20% LeBron James: 0.86 PPP (236 possessions)

18% DeMar DeRozan: 0.88 PPP (212 possessions)

16% Paul George: 0.82 PPP (190 possessions)

15% Damian Lillard: 1.01 PPP (168 possessions)

15% Kevin Durant: 1.07 PPP (163 possessions)

12% Russell Westbrook: 0.72 PPP (157 possessions)

23% Julius Randle: 0.65 PPP (156 possessions)

19% Jahlil Okafor: 0.81 PPP (152 possessions)

18% Danilo Gallinari: 0.86 PPP (151 possessions)

18% Kobe Bryant: 0.66 PPP (149 possessions)

13% Reggie Jackson: 0.88 PPP (133 possessions)

13% Jimmy Butler: 1.00 PPP (130 possessions)

11% DeMarcus Cousins: 0.59 PPP (128 possessions)



Butler is a lot of things. Ineffective ball-stopper ain't one of them.

Good post. May I ask what service you got the play type data from?


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[MoneyOvaHuds]

NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Alright Rashidi , if you would watch more Bulls game you would understand what the most of our fan base see . Stats don't always tell the full story , we love Butler but he's just as flawed as any other player . I already know how you're on here so I'm just going to leave it at that .


Your post is bias for one because you never liked Rose in the first place and stated that a ton of time .
You don't really watch the Bulls games at all and just go off stats IMO because no Bulls fan or city reporter would say Jimmy sometimes doesn't stall the offense with ISO situations . Yes he's the best player but his offense is ISO based , he will ask for high screen and take his player off the to try to get to the rack . Sometimes he scores and sometimes he gets too deep into the paint and forces a bad pass . It's just Butler chooses bad times to do this . Also rose hasn't lost 5 steps athletically if you actually watched him since Christmas , he's looked very good . Obviously not like he use to but he's nowhere near hobbling territory .


Idk why I'm trying to defend this , butler is the best player but I wouldn't just sit up here and lie to say Rose plays a better all around game when Jimmy is out and with the offense running through him . The team does pass the ball a lot more . But stats tell the entire story

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Good post. May I ask what service you got the play type data from?

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/?PT=player&OD=offensive

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Alright Rashidi , if you would watch more Bulls game you would understand what the most of our fan base see . Stats don't always tell the full story , we love Butler but he's just as flawed as any other player . I already know how you're on here so I'm just going to leave it at that .

Your post is bias for one because you never liked Rose in the first place and stated that a ton of time .

Between the two of us, I'm not the one with emotional investment. I have stated that he has been overrated by 2K Sports for a long time, which is supported by data. He averaged 3.3 (!!!!!!!) assists in January, an embarrassing total for a high-usage PG logging 30+ MPG.

You don't really watch the Bulls games at all and just go off stats IMO because no Bulls fan or city reporter would say Jimmy sometimes doesn't stall the offense with ISO situations. Yes he's the best player but his offense is ISO based , he will ask for high screen and take his player off the to try to get to the rack.

This is why data is important, because untrained eyes create misleading perception. Of what we can derive from the presented data:

1. Butler's offense is not Iso-based, not relative to other star players, and not relative to a chucker like Rose. Because he doesn't over-extend himself and pretend to be a volume scorer, Butler is actually one of the most efficient on-ball scorers in the league.

2. Butler maximizes his athletic ability and basketball IQ. Derrick Rose lost his athletic ability which compounded his non-existent/limited IQ.

3. Butler's weakness is his jumpshot and it is still miles better than Rose.

Also rose hasn't lost 5 steps athletically. if you actually watched him since Christmas , he's looked very good . Obviously not like he use to but he's nowhere near hobbling territory.

Dude is 9th percentile in Transition. Do you have any concept of how bad that is?

10% Kobe Bryant: 0.84 PPP (13th Percentile)
17% Ricky Rubio: 0.83 PPP (11th Percentile)
13% Derrick Rose: 0.81 PPP (9th Percentile)
20% Rajon Rondo: 0.69 PPP (3rd Percentile)

Two of these guys can't score and the other two still think they can. It's not a coincidence this quartet are the worst four in the NBA (minimum 80 possessions).

The Bulls offense got worse even though they raised their tempo. It's no wonder why (and that reason has little to do with "Ball-stopper Butler").

But stats tell the entire story

They tell us more than biased eyeballs and emotional story telling.

[Kevmire]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Rashidi,

How would you rate Tony Allen on Defense? I feel as though he is highly overrated in this game?

Isolation -------------------1.04 PPP
P&R Ball Handling ---------0.78 PPP
Post up ---------------------0.92 PPP
Spot up --------------------0.92 PPP
Hand off -------------------0.84 PPP
Off Screen ----------------0.86 PPP


Do you Agree with 2K's ratings of:

On Ball Def IQ : 96
Pick & Roll IQ: 92
Lateral Quickness:96
Shot Contest: 90
Def Consistency: 95

Compared to someone like Lebron:

Isolation -------------------0.62 PPP
P&R Ball Handling ---------0.60 PPP
Post up ---------------------0.52 PPP
Spot up --------------------0.74 PPP
Hand off -------------------0.54 PPP
Off Screen ----------------0.63 PPP

Lebron's ratings:

On Ball Def IQ : 94 (-2 compared to Allen)
Pick & Roll IQ: 93 (+1 compared to Allen)
Lateral Quickness:94 (-2 compared to Allen)
Shot Contest: 90 (Equal with Allen)
Def Consistency: 95 (Equal with Allen)

[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Thumbs down on Tony Allen being a bad defender.

[Kully]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

How do you guys measure speed/quickness and convert that to NBA 2K?

For example, a player I brought up before - Karl-Anthony Towns. Watching him play, he is a very mobile, quick, hustling centre, but in 2K he is another lumbering big who doesn't hustle or run very quick.

How would you change his ratings to reflect the way he plays?

His in-game model is wrong, but that goes for most bigs in this game. They need to lose some weight.

[ClevelandFan]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Kyrie needs to be up - if Wall & Lowry are 89 then Kyrie is at least an 89

[AussieAdz19]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Where is this week's update? 2k taking the weekend off for All-Star break too??

Both Kyrie and Dame should be 88 after this past week of performing for their respective teams.




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[Yuss]

Re: NBA 2K16 Roster Update Available Now, Details Included (1-28-16)

Aaron Gordon should have his Dunk rating raised to 90+ so the CPU puts him in the Dunk contest.