EA Sports UFC 2 Fighter Ratings - Top 10 Stand Up Fighters

[aholbert32]

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I watched that fight again the other day, what I meant by 'ordinary' was that it was a much more even fight on the feet than it seemed at the time. McGregor didn't seem brilliant in the stand up on that occasion. Not saying that he's not very good, but he's not the best stand-up fighter in the UFC.

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Here is my question: What do you use to determine who is the best standup fighter in the UFC?

I tend to use KO percentage, knockdowns and the number of times an opponent is hurt as a big part of the measurement.

If you use stats: Conor has KO percentage of over 95%. On top of that he's knocked down a number of opponents in those fights.

Aldo isnt even close to those numbers. DJ isnt. Holm isnt. Rockhold isnt.

The only people that come close are Dillashaw and Lawler.

[fballturkey]

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Jeremy, that's a great point. 99 in standup doesn't even mean any of this stats are in the high 90s.

Although it does sort of make the point too that OVRs are inflated. OVRs don't matter though, at least.

Aholbert, I think you can look at things like KOs and KDs within a weight class, but when you're comparing two very different classes the comparison breaks down. You can't really compare MM to some random HW. The game handles that by capping each stat and judging fighters based on how close they are to the cap, which works.

I think that Conor having the highest standup ratings was pretty inevitable. At this point he's still a little bit of an unknown quantity, and if he gets exposed they'll probably drop his ratings some. If he continues on his current trajectory... I guess they'll have to put somebody at over 100?

[woody2goody]

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Here is my question: What do you use to determine who is the best standup fighter in the UFC?

I tend to use KO percentage, knockdowns and the number of times an opponent is hurt as a big part of the measurement.

If you use stats: Conor has KO percentage of over 95%. On top of that he's knocked down a number of opponents in those fights.

Aldo isnt even close to those numbers. DJ isnt. Holm isnt. Rockhold isnt.

The only people that come close are Dillashaw and Lawler.

You make a good point as he does finish a lot of people.

Like the other posters said, stats matter and not the overall ratings really.



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[Gotmadskillzson]

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Me personally I don't judge stand up by finishes, I look at the over all body of work in their stand up game. Because you have some KO artists who have terrible stand up. Mark Hunt, Roy Nelson and Ben Rothwell come to mind.

[fballturkey]

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They're good examples of why a stand up rating or OVR doesn't really begin to tell the story. Their power is great, but many other things that roll in to 'stand up' will be low. They should fight very different than a guy with middling power but great movement and accuracy.

[aholbert32]

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Me personally I don't judge stand up by finishes, I look at the over all body of work in their stand up game. Because you have some KO artists who have terrible stand up. Mark Hunt, Roy Nelson and Ben Rothwell come to mind.

What other factors would you use to judge it?

I'm not saying that KOs/Knockdown/Hurt Opponents are the end all and be all of standup but it should be a significant part of what determines if someone is good at standup or not.

I was having a discussion about Aldo and McGregor's ratings the other day with a Game Changer. He believes Aldo should have higher standup ratings than McGregor. His reasoning is that Aldo is a world class Muay Thai fighter and his opponents have mentioned how hard he hits.

My counter is Aldo has had 8 UFC fights. In those fights, he's stopped two people (Mendes and Zombie). Zombie's KO was due to an injury. He's only knocked down Mendes, Zombie and Hominick. He's really only seriously hurt 3 of his 8 opponents.

My point is if someone is GREAT at standup.....it tends to show in their results. For example from 2004 to 2010, people considered Cro Cop the best kickboxer in MMA. His stats backed that up. He stopped 14 fighters from strikes in that time.

Conor's stats back up that he's perhaps the best striker in MMA right now and maybe deserves that rating. Not the most accomplished but the best. Why? Because his standup has finished practically everyone he's faced.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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I would weigh more heavily on the number of strikes thrown with the number that actually connects. There need to be another rating or something to separate actual good strikers and bad strikers that just so happen to have KO power.

Under this ratings system, Kimbo Slice would be a 98 stand up considering he has 6 TKO victories and 1 KO victory in his MMA career.

[JoeMimic]

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There needs to be bigger parity in my opinion in the ratings. They're too afraid to have anyone with a low overall and make them look like a lesser fighter. To be fair this isn't a MMA genre exclusive problem. The WWE game does the same thing with their guys which is why you see massive roster re-edits every year.

[godylla]

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There is the ratings that go into striking like L/R Hand Power, Speed, L/R Kick Power, Speed etc. Is there any talk behind the scenes to also add an accuracy stat? Like Conor has said: "Precision beats power, and timing beats speed."

[Serengeti1]

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Agree about Weidman and Thompson but you need to rewatch Conor/Mendes. Mendes wasnt making him look ordinary on his feet. On the ground, yes but not on his feet. Conor has also KO'd 6 of the 7 fighters he's faced. Kinda hard to not give him a high rating when you are looking at results.

Right. I've been browsing this forum and the EA one for news on the game in the last few days. I really hope EA aren't listening to this forum or the EA one for advice on realism. I mean this one seems to be much better to be fair. People on the EA forum really don't know their MMA at all. Saying Bethe has elite boxing and cain's wrestling isn't actually that good anymore because of the loss to Werdum. I'm not trying to be an elitist/hipster but yeah.

Since you seem to be an insider on some level... Do you know where they get information on the sport?

The MMA subreddit is a great place for knowledgeable fans. I mean I'm not naive enough to think that EA make decisions solely based on opinions on the internet but I'm sure it has some influence.

As for these ratings, they're not awful. I understand they need to find the balance between popularity and realism. Still tho... some stats are still a little ridiculous. Could have been worse when they're doing stats for so many fighters tho.

Am gutted Yoel Romero is only an 87 tho. He's like the perfect video game fighter, yet they ****ed up his stats.

[aholbert32]

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Right. I've been browsing this forum and the EA one for news on the game in the last few days. I really hope EA aren't listening to this forum or the EA one for advice on realism. I mean this one seems to be much better to be fair. People on the EA forum really don't know their MMA at all. Saying Bethe has elite boxing and cain's wrestling isn't actually that good anymore because of the loss to Werdum. I'm not trying to be an elitist/hipster but yeah.

Since you seem to be an insider on some level... Do you know where they get information on the sport?

The MMA subreddit is a great place for knowledgeable fans. I mean I'm not naive enough to think that EA make decisions solely based on opinions on the internet but I'm sure it has some influence.

As for these ratings, they're not awful. I understand they need to find the balance between popularity and realism. Still tho... some stats are still a little ridiculous. Could have been worse when they're doing stats for so many fighters tho.

Am gutted Yoel Romero is only an 87 tho. He's like the perfect video game fighter, yet they ****ed up his stats.

I actually don't know. I've talked to people at EA over everything accept ratings and I haven't asked who does them.


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[Ksearyback]

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Here is my question: What do you use to determine who is the best standup fighter in the UFC?

I tend to use KO percentage, knockdowns and the number of times an opponent is hurt as a big part of the measurement.

If you use stats: Conor has KO percentage of over 95%. On top of that he's knocked down a number of opponents in those fights.

Aldo isnt even close to those numbers. DJ isnt. Holm isnt. Rockhold isnt.

The only people that come close are Dillashaw and Lawler.

Using this criteria, you would be saying boxers like Floyd Mayweather, B Hopkins, Sweet Pea Whitaker are mediocre.

Stats are often the curse of relative comparisons. It makes EA look silly with the current stay system in this game