MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

[tessl]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

I think what you are missing here is the fact that attributes are THE numbers that express true ability of a player in this game. The fact that you still see variations in stats (e.g., every time you simulate a season), is purely due to sampling effect due to natural random variation; if you fix player attributes, keep repeating the simulation, and accumulate enough sample size, and do appropriate analysis, then you will actually find there are pretty clear and (somewhat simple) relations between attributes and the stats that the simulation engine produces.

And it is actually true that something like Contact = 65 is meant to produce a .260 hitter at the MLB level. I lost the exact mappings B Ma revealed long time ago, but there are relations like this for all attributes. Sure, you will actually see Contact = 65 hitter hitting .230 or even .290 in any given season, but that's not because the game internally modules his ability to hit for a .260 any given time... it's only because he got (un)lucky, and the sample size isn't big enough within a season for his stats to equilibrate to .260 closely.

In such a case, you should always make your plan using attributes over stats, because only thing stats tell us is how the player over/under-performed to that point in season, relative to his expected performance level (which attributes accurately describe).

To me, that really robs us of one of the most fascinating aspects of appreciating baseball... all those imaginative elements between stats and baseball action itself. I think baseball stats are interesting because, while they are extensive and have come a long way with sabermetrics, they are still mysterious in a lot of ways, and when you look at basic stats and how players perform, there are still many "why is this?" moments. (Not to mention baseball stats look aesthetically beautiful... but that's just me.)

Players highly touted by scouts have often failed... great minor-league stats often not translating to MLB performance... players mysteriously upping their game all of sudden and vice versa.

All these fun stuff happens largely because we don't have access to complete information of player ability in real life.

Unfortunately, console video games tend to reduce all that imaginative exercises to simple numbers like OVR and non-obscured attributes.

It is more nuanced than knowing every player's attribute or knowing no player attributes. The coaches beginning in rookie league run the players through every possible drill. They have a very good idea of the attributes in their organization. The attributes of MLB players aren't a secret either.

In the low minors it isn't accurate outside your own organization to know the attributes of players. I could see the inexact pie chart apply with the option to scout other team's players and discover their attributes - give your scouts something to do after the amateur draft - but it isn't accurate to say nobody knows the attributes of any players in professional baseball.

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

It is more nuanced than knowing every player's attribute or knowing no player attributes. The coaches beginning in rookie league run the players through every possible drill. They have a very good idea of the attributes in their organization. The attributes of MLB players aren't a secret either.

In the low minors it isn't accurate outside your own organization to know the attributes of players. I could see the inexact pie chart apply with the option to scout other team's players and discover their attributes - give your scouts something to do after the amateur draft - but it isn't accurate to say nobody knows the attributes of any players in professional baseball.

Again, people who like the idea of in-game attributes being obscured in some way are saying so largely because those attributes are telling us the exact ability, the DNA of the player so to speak, from which we can find out the expected level of performance *without any uncertainty.*

We can exactly know who are true .260 players in this game, just by looking at their attributes.

What real-life coaches are doing is still *estimation,* which is subject to uncertainty due to individual coach's ability to evaluate players. Real-life scouts/coaches/managers/GMs over/underestimate player values all the time. All kinds of weird managerial decisions and transactions happen, because people, even with proper expertise, just see things differently.

There is a crucial difference between coaches *evaluating* players and their attributes in real life vs. the game handing out their true, exact attributes. In The Show, we can (and should) always rely on attributes (instead of stats) if you are strictly abiding by the rule of chance.

To me, that is not realistic and removes a crucial element -- realistic player evaluation -- from what makes a franchise-like mode engaging.

[BravesBoy]

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If you think about it, having the attributes hidden and just seeing stats, especially in franchise mode, would add a huge amount of realism imo. Example would be if you were to sign a free agent who had a good stat year but ultimately is a low rated player you may would take the risk because of the stats shown. If you see that same player is rated a 55 then you're in no way going to sign him. You could really add to the risk aspect and flow of signing and managing players. It's a cool idea, I'm not sure how or if it could work. But it definitely makes you speculate

[HustlinOwl]

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There's also this one:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ying-most.html

and that includes online franchise lmao 62 and 59 dont complete 162 games

[BrianU]

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If you think about it, having the attributes hidden and just seeing stats, especially in franchise mode, would add a huge amount of realism imo. Example would be if you were to sign a free agent who had a good stat year but ultimately is a low rated player you may would take the risk because of the stats shown. If you see that same player is rated a 55 then you're in no way going to sign him. You could really add to the risk aspect and flow of signing and managing players. It's a cool idea, I'm not sure how or if it could work. But it definitely makes you speculate

This is what I'm saying. Honestly the way sports games are setup makes franchise modes very easy to play and without a challenge unless you implement house rules for yourself. With this simple change you wouldn't have to go to those extremes to have an even playing field vs the CPU.

When is the last time you built a team up and failed? All of the dynasty threads I read people are always making the playoffs. That is fine I know people like that but I would like to fail occasionally and have things not work out. To me that is just as fun. When is the last time you traded for a player or signed a free agent and they pulled a BJ Upton in The Show? It just doesn't happen because you would never sign a guy with an awful rating who had a big statistics year or multiple ones, then have him return to playing to his ratings. The current way of playing you look at their ratings when making GM decisions and have access to perfect information of what you are getting, where in real life that is not the case and that is one of the elements which makes sports great.

I want to experience the dread and disappointment of signing a BJ Upton to my franchise and destroying the dreams of prosperity for my entire virtual fan base. I had to use that as my example it just fit perfect I hope you forgive me.

[omegon3]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

I figure this would be the best stream to ask but does anyone else want 100 players per team roster? 90 just seems...off. I know A games don't register stats (they should, even though we don't have the option to play their games) but it would give roster builders 300 more players. And it would keep all the FAs from retiring from "Poor Free Agent Market".

[BravesBoy]

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I want to experience the dread and disappointment of signing a BJ Upton to my franchise and destroying the dreams of prosperity for my entire virtual fan base. I had to use that as my example it just fit perfect I hope you forgive me.

Agree with you 100%. I would love to hear from Ramone and find out if this could even be a possibility in the future. I know you can't eliminate ratings but if there was a way to hide them, especially for franchise? Could take franchise another step forward for the stat lovers

Someone should run a poll explaining the premise and get a feel from the community.

[Denzel Washington]

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have a look and this a hardcore forum just imagine the casuals

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ball-game.html

Playing every single game in a season and completing a season are two different things

[HustlinOwl]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

Playing every single game in a season and completing a season are two different things

Lmao really keep spinning


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[kehlis]

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Lmao really keep spinning


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He's not wrong though.

We have a lot of people who go through multiple seasons but don't play every inning of every game of the season.


Can't keep up with the original point of the debate but his post wasn't spinning anything, it was quite frankly the truth.

[HustlinOwl]

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He's not wrong though.

We have a lot of people who go through multiple seasons but don't play every inning of every game of the season.


Can't keep up with the original point of the debate but his post wasn't spinning anything, it was quite frankly the truth.

Wtf look at poll his post has nothing to do with completing a 162 game season??? Where was it ever implied playing all 162? You have a franchise mode that 500k play and yet majority do not complete


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[Denzel Washington]

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Wtf look at poll his post has nothing to do with completing a 162 game season??? Where was it ever implied playing all 162? You have a franchise mode that 500k play and yet majority do not complete


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No need for implication when it is EXPLICITLY stated

Perhaps the most iconic achievement in all of sports gaming is actually playing every inning of every game in a 162 game MLB season. Personally, I have only gotten to about game 100 before losing interest in the pursuit due to general busyness. So what about you? Have you ever done it? Do you have plans to try to do it this season with either MLB 2K13 or MLB 13: The Show?

Reading is hard

[kehlis]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

Wtf look at poll his post has nothing to do with completing a 162 game season??? Where was it ever implied playing all 162? You have a franchise mode that 500k play and yet majority do not complete


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Again though, I haven't kept up on the conversation so I'm not sure if you're referring to the poster you quoted or someone else.

The post you quoted was accurate but I can't tell if that's who you're talking about.

The poll was about who plays every inning of every game, that's vastly different than who completes seasons. We have posters who every talk about playing one game out of a series to get through the seasons quicker.

[nemesis04]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

Wow, I got behind reading this thread and feel like I just finished reading through War and Peace. Some of these posts are giant!

[Knight165]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

Wow, I got behind reading this thread and feel like I just finished reading through War and Peace. Some of these posts are giant!

We like our franchise mode(s)!


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