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  • Perceptor
    MVP
    • Jun 2003
    • 4364

    #841
    Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

    Unfortunately, it's always gonna be featuring the Bruins, Flyers, Blackhawks, Red Wings, Capitals, Rangers, and Penguins. I like watching those teams, but to repeat the same rotation is silly.

    Anyhow, the tanking continues tonight with the Preds in town. But, we're not really tanking - we want to build a winning culture for next season lol

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    • SidVish
      2010,13,15,16 CHAMPS!
      • Apr 2003
      • 11743

      #842
      Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

      Originally posted by ImTellinTim
      Chicago @ St. Louis next year for the Winter Classic. Good to see plucky upstarts like Chicago get the kind of exposure they need to take that next step.
      Teams that have participated in the "official" Winter Classic.
      Chicago - 2009, 2015, 2017
      Detroit - 2009, 2014
      Boston - 2010, 2016
      Pittsburgh - 2008, 2011
      Philadelphia - 2010, 2012
      Washington - 2011, 2015
      Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, NYR, and STL each with 1.

      Unfortunately they've had the chance to put some other talent out there and have chosen not to. NHL reasons I guess.

      I actually would love to see other teams get a shot because I know how fun it is to attend an outdoor game.


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      • Money99
        Hall Of Fame
        • Sep 2002
        • 12696

        #843
        Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

        Originally posted by SidVish
        Teams that have participated in the "official" Winter Classic.
        Chicago - 2009, 2015, 2017
        Detroit - 2009, 2014
        Boston - 2010, 2016
        Pittsburgh - 2008, 2011
        Philadelphia - 2010, 2012
        Washington - 2011, 2015
        Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, NYR, and STL each with 1.

        Unfortunately they've had the chance to put some other talent out there and have chosen not to. NHL reasons I guess.

        I actually would love to see other teams get a shot because I know how fun it is to attend an outdoor game.


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        Broken record time...

        The issue is that the NHL only cares to promote teams and not players.
        Why? Because it's way too dang hard to score so there's no real superstars to promote
        "Come out and watch the Art Ross winner try to repeat his 87-point performance this year!!"

        That and after putting all their eggs in the Crosby basket, only to see him go unprotected and hammered with a cheapshot scrambling those eggs, did they decide "lets start promoting teams, not players. We don't want to protect our superstars, so we can't guarantee they'll be alive from week to week".

        'Back in my day...', you could watch any team and be guaranteed to see an offensive output by one of the stars on the ice.
        It didn't matter if it was Quebec (Sakic), Hartford (Ferraro), Calgary (Fleury), Detroit (Yzerman) or the Islanders (LaFontaine), you were going to watch each teams star put on a show.
        Nobody can say that now. Hence, pushing the same 6 or 7 teams down everyone's throats.

        If this was 1988, Brian Little would be a 95-point star and Eichel would be on pace for 85 points. Who wouldn't want to see a rookie putting up more than a point-per-game? Maybe a fan in Arizona might want to tune into a Sabres game?
        But in today's NHL, only truly generational talents like McDavid can do that.
        So why bother watching any out of market games when you can pretty much bet on the score being 3-1 with 89 blocked shots, 50 belly saves and 3 rebound/deflection/screen goals.

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        • pietasterp
          All Star
          • Feb 2004
          • 6248

          #844
          Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

          Until the NHL has more cache, I think they gotta put their biggest "name" teams out there on essentially their only national stage. Even the NFL tends to put the same teams on their national broadcasts every year - I mean, if you are a fan of a team in the NFC East, no matter where you live in the country, there's a >50% chance you'll get to see your team almost every week. If you're a Cowboys fan, NFL Sunday Ticket has no reason to exist: I mean, how many Dallas-Philly, Dallas-NYG, Dallas-Washington games are on MNF, SNF, TNF, or the game of the week on Sundays? I think last year they did an analysis and it showed that no matter where you live in the country, the first or second most broadcast team in your home market is the Dallas Cowboys.

          So the NHL is basically emulating what every other sports league does. I realize it sucks for Panthers or Coyotes fans (all 30 of them), but you're basically in the same boat as Chargers or Browns fans - good luck ever seeing your team on a national broadcast. Heck, good luck seeing your team in your home market (!).

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          • DrJones
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 9120

            #845
            Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

            Originally posted by Money99
            'Back in my day...', you could watch any team and be guaranteed to see an offensive output by one of the stars on the ice.
            It didn't matter if it was Quebec (Sakic), Hartford (Ferraro), Calgary (Fleury), Detroit (Yzerman) or the Islanders (LaFontaine), you were going to watch each teams star put on a show.
            Ron Francis would like a word with you.
            Originally posted by Thrash13
            Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
            Originally posted by slickdtc
            DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
            Originally posted by Kipnis22
            yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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            • Kobalt
              All Star
              • May 2010
              • 9674

              #846
              NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

              Ugh Subban taken off on a stretcher.

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              • DrJones
                All Star
                • Mar 2003
                • 9120

                #847
                Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                On December 1st, Montreal had the best record in the NHL.
                Originally posted by Thrash13
                Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                Originally posted by slickdtc
                DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                Originally posted by Kipnis22
                yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                • TheMatrix31
                  RF
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 52931

                  #848
                  Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                  I like promoting teams instead of players. That's (along with all the things that come with it like superstar referee treatment, fanboys, constant player ranking, etc) what helped destroy the NBA for so many people.

                  A great player is going to get exposure and attention regardless.
                  Last edited by TheMatrix31; 03-12-2016, 05:34 AM.

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                  • Money99
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 12696

                    #849
                    Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                    Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                    I like promoting teams instead of players. That's (along with all the things that come with it like superstar referee treatment, fanboys, constant player ranking, etc) what helped destroy the NBA for so many people.

                    A great player is going to get exposure and attention regardless.
                    I respectfully disagree. Nobody but diehard hockey fans and Stars fans knows who Jamie Benn is. And I do believe one could make a serious case that he's the best player in the NHL right now.

                    I haven't watched a full NBA game in over 20 years, but I can probably name 20 NBA players. I don't know if that can be said by someone comparable to me in the NHL sense.

                    I know the NBA has it's issues, but the one thing I do like about that sport, is that on the rare occasion I do watch a quarter or 3, I'm pretty much guaranteed to see the best players match their baseball card.
                    You can put money on the fact that Lebron's going to get 25 points, 10 assists and 6 or 7 rebounds.
                    Same with James Hardin, Steph Curry, Westbrook, etc, etc.

                    You can't say the same about watching an NHL game. I've watched games hoping to see the 3 or 4 stars on either team shine, but too often, half of them are barely noticeable outside of a handful of shifts or on the PP.
                    It's way too easy to stifle offensive creativity in the NHL in today's game.
                    And that's my biggest gripe with the game. It doesn't do enough to allow the best talent on the planet to put it on display with regularity.
                    It's also why out-of-market ratings are non-existant. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for anyone to watch a game that doesn't feature their local or favourite team.

                    I realize I'm in the minority on that point. I probably account for .5% of the NHL fans on the planet in that I just want to watch two teams, and their stars go at it.
                    The rest only believe that 2 NHL teams exist on a given night; their team, and their opponent.
                    And that's the way the NHL likes it. It's also the reason why I don't think I've watched a full NHL game, from start to finish in close to 5 years now. The game is boring.
                    Last edited by Money99; 03-12-2016, 09:07 AM.

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                    • slickdtc
                      Grayscale
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 17125

                      #850
                      Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                      Money, I think the problem is the game. If they opened it up more, those players' stars would shine brighter and be easier to market. I'm with Matrix that I favor teams being marketed over individual players, but that's just by design of the league's defensive pace.

                      Open up the game, player's performance increases and their public profile goes up with it.

                      Why would they want to market a 65 point player? Why would anyone care if they did?

                      The NHL is a niche sport so they're always going to have a lower profile then their NBA/NFL/MLB counterparts, but they're leaving an opportunity on the table with these oversized goalies and lack of scoring. I don't think the NHL will magically become super popular with more goals, but I do think it's worth making it a more offensive game. The talent is there; I'm always impressed with the skill level of NHL'ers. They just are held back by the lack of rule enforcement, superior goalies with massive sweaters and chest protectors and a defense first approach.
                      NHL - Philadelphia Flyers
                      NFL - Buffalo Bills
                      MLB - Cincinnati Reds


                      Originally posted by Money99
                      And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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                      • daflyboys
                        Banned
                        • May 2003
                        • 18238

                        #851
                        Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                        I think you guys are straying into more of the "off topic" stuff.

                        Proud of how the Flyers handled the Bolts this week. I thought for sure they were gonna get their heads handed to them last night after the dominance in Philly on Mon. But, they really held to their game plan and were very opportunistic.... all without Voracek and Del Zotto. Nice to see the utility players step it up.

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                        • slickdtc
                          Grayscale
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 17125

                          #852
                          Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                          Yeah another good test tonight against Florida. They've impressed me with these wins against good teams, but that hasn't been the problem. It's beating the bad teams that we struggle with.

                          Regardless, I'll be there later this month against Winnipeg and it's looking like we'll be right in the playoff hunt still. Keep rolling boys.
                          NHL - Philadelphia Flyers
                          NFL - Buffalo Bills
                          MLB - Cincinnati Reds


                          Originally posted by Money99
                          And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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                          • Madman55
                            Dibs!
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 1255

                            #853
                            Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                            Another Jets rant incoming... I don't think I've ever seen a team quit the way the Jets do every game. They can absolutely dominate for a long stretch of a game (usually they dominate the 1st and then maybe some of the 2nd) but they don't score any goals and then when they sit back the other team starts carrying the play and scores a quick goal or 2 because the Jets don't have an NHL level goalie and then this offensively challenged team has to come back from a deficit. iirc, they have 0 wins when trailing after 2.

                            Something positive at least (as a Sabres fan living in Winnipeg) is that Buffalo is showing some life. O'Reilly is hopefully gonna be their #1 C for the foreseeable future, and Reinhart and Eichel are developing chemistry, plus a goalie with tons of potential in Lehner. With 12 games to go this year they already have 5 wins more than last year and have improved their points total by 11.


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                            • Money99
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 12696

                              #854
                              Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                              Originally posted by slickdtc
                              Money, I think the problem is the game. If they opened it up more, those players' stars would shine brighter and be easier to market. I'm with Matrix that I favor teams being marketed over individual players, but that's just by design of the league's defensive pace.

                              Open up the game, player's performance increases and their public profile goes up with it.

                              Why would they want to market a 65 point player? Why would anyone care if they did?

                              The NHL is a niche sport so they're always going to have a lower profile then their NBA/NFL/MLB counterparts, but they're leaving an opportunity on the table with these oversized goalies and lack of scoring. I don't think the NHL will magically become super popular with more goals, but I do think it's worth making it a more offensive game. The talent is there; I'm always impressed with the skill level of NHL'ers. They just are held back by the lack of rule enforcement, superior goalies with massive sweaters and chest protectors and a defense first approach.
                              All good points.

                              I highlighted the 'massive sweaters' portion of your reply because this very thing prevented a goal in the Wings-Rangers game the other night.
                              I can't recall who shot the puck, but Lundqvists sweater made the save.
                              They showed the replay in super slow-mo, and the puck literally hit nothing but sweater, but there was enough excess material that it redirected the puck to miss the far post by a hair.
                              Yet, King Henrik gets credited with a save and that's one less goal on the board.
                              And the Wings need all the goals they can get.
                              They were shutout by Bernier last night. BERNIER!!!

                              I'm not a fan of Blashill's coaching style. There's way too much offensive talent on this team not to be scoring goals. Lack of effort isn't an issue either.
                              He needs to open things up or this team is going nowhere fast in the playoffs - IF they make it.

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                              • carko32
                                Rookie
                                • Oct 2013
                                • 270

                                #855
                                Re: NHL 2015/16 Regular Season

                                Originally posted by Money99
                                And the Wings need all the goals they can get.
                                They were shutout by Bernier last night. BERNIER!!!

                                I'm not a fan of Blashill's coaching style. There's way too much offensive talent on this team not to be scoring goals. Lack of effort isn't an issue either.
                                He needs to open things up or this team is going nowhere fast in the playoffs - IF they make it.
                                Well Bernier is playing quite ok now, at least it seems so. It is true we played Sparks over him in last 3 games, but he was ok in previous starts. He is starting to gain his confidence back, so maybe he will surprise many people next season.

                                And it was a fun game yesterday, you forgot to mention that Leafs won due to ***-goal by Grabner, who can't score for his life, but he scored yesterday with his ***.

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