MLB The Show 16 Player Ratings - Top Players at Each Position

[Denzel Washington]

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Lindor's fielding% was .974, Tulo has only had 1 season where it was lower than that and only 2 seasons where he's made as many errors (10) as Lindor did. He also has 2 Gold Gloves, you should find a different SS to compare.

Derek Jeter won a lot of gold gloves too

Measuring defense by fielding percentage is so archaic. Terrible statistic that has no real bearing. Defense is not something that ages well period. Lindor is a better defender than Tulowitzki at this point in their respective careers and that really shouldnt be debatable,

He is the perfect SS to compare him to.

[Denzel Washington]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Player Ratings - Top Players at Each Position

Tulo's GG seasons won't be reflected in Show 16. And you can dismiss fielding % too, since that includes throwing errors.


EDIT I think a more likely explanation is Lindor's smaller sample size.

They can get input from scouting and maybe reach out to the MLB and gain some access to their data that's not widely available.

I wouldn't have as much of an issue if they updated defense in player updates but they hardly ever did that

[Cavicchi]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Player Ratings - Top Players at Each Position

Tulo's last 3 seasons defensively DWAR 1.2, 1.3, 1.2

Lindor in 2015 DWAR 1.7

[Denzel Washington]

Re: MLB The Show 16 Player Ratings - Top Players at Each Position

Tulo's last 3 seasons defensively DWAR 1.2, 1.3, 1.2

Lindor in 2015 DWAR 1.7

The eye test will also tell you Lindor is a better defender. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...16&position=SS

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3531&position=SS

Inside edge fielding

[TattooedEvil]

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The eye test will also tell you Lindor is a better defender. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...16&position=SS

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3531&position=SS

Inside edge fielding

ok I love Lindor and think he'll be better then Tulo but chill....Lindor has been in the league 5 minutes.

[Denzel Washington]

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ok I love Lindor and think he'll be better then Tulo but chill....Lindor has been in the league 5 minutes.

That's 100% irrelevant. Defense does not season or get better because you have been in the league for a long time. I'm not even asserting that Lindor is a better baseball player than tulowitzki or ever will be but 2016 Lindor is without a doubt a better defender than 2016 tulowitzki

[TattooedEvil]

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That's 100% irrelevant. Defense does not season or get better because you have been in the league for a long time. I'm not even asserting that Lindor is a better baseball player than tulowitzki or ever will be but 2016 Lindor is without a doubt a better defender than 2016 tulowitzki

lmao very relevant. Defense can def season and get better cuz a players been in the league (as long as u work) for awhile. Crawford has gotten better year by year. The more into a players prime that player gets he works on his first step quickness and how to take better routes to the ball, how to get rid of it quicker, better footwork turning two, etc....You just dont have your skills when you get into the league and thats it. I am not defending Tulo one bit cuz I cant stand how he gets put on a pedastool for playing 100 games a year after breaking a nail, but one thing you hear from the older infielders (and by watching) is that Tulo and Crawford make a lot of very tough plays look very routine while some SSs make them look amazing.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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....but 2015 Lindor was without a doubt a better defender than 2015 tulowitzki.

Fixxed.
When 2016 games get under way we'll most likley see more of the same, but I prefer not to assume unless forced to. lol

[Denzel Washington]

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lmao very relevant. Defense can def season and get better cuz a players been in the league (as long as u work) for awhile. Crawford has gotten better year by year. The more into a players prime that player gets he works on his first step quickness and how to take better routes to the ball, how to get rid of it quicker, better footwork turning two, etc....You just dont have your skills when you get into the league and thats it. I am not defending Tulo one bit cuz I cant stand how he gets put on a pedastool for playing 100 games a year after breaking a nail, but one thing you hear from the older infielders (and by watching) is that Tulo and Crawford make a lot of very tough plays look very routine while some SSs make them look amazing.

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/aging-curve/

What aspect of lindor's defense would improve with age? Instincts are hardwired and young players are at their peak from a physical standpoint. Defense hardly ever improves. The few instances I can think of are from some tweaks to footwork but usually they aren't drastic changes and they are few and far between.

Regardless this is all pointless as lindor is better than tulowitzki defensively ATM. If you knew about lindor you knew that his glove has been ready in the minors for a few seasons and they were just letting his bat Get to the major league level.
Again, this isn't controversial once you look at the facts

[Denzel Washington]

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Fixxed.
When 2016 games get under way we'll most likley see more of the same, but I prefer not to assume unless forced to. lol

It's a pretty safe assumption. Defense is much more constant then offense season to season.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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It's a pretty safe assumption. Defense is much more constant then offense season to season.

Defense isn't one thing though. Tulo is better at some things. Lindor is better at some other things.

[Denzel Washington]

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Defense isn't one thing though. Tulo is better at some things. Lindor is better at some other things.

I'm aware

Not that I can think of.